OOTB's Political Thread . ..

[carolinablue34]

Trump would just praise Putin: well, in any analysis of the situation here (and don't try the diversion used above of talking about Ukraine or other things, the topic was The Trade), Putin deserves praise and Biden scorn. He received a former first round pick and gave up an undrafted free agent. Clearly, he won the trade and is worthy of praise.

Trump talked about leaving NATO: that's true, but you leave out the not so little detail that his position was NATO needed us more than we needed NATO and it was time that everyone else payed up as they had agreed so that we stopped funding everything for NATO. Guess what? They started paying.

There is a ton for which to pick on the orange narcissist, but "praising Putin" was just part of the russia, russia, russia fabrication and smear. There are aspects on which one can legitimately praise Putin. It doesn't mean you are his lapdog, fear him, or lick his boots. Trump would never have made this trade. Period. On NATO, the blowhard won. Other countries started paying and we are still in it. Rag on him all you want and let the inherent bias show through, but there are examples that actually support the hate.

First, there's very little to praise about Putin. You can say he may have gotten the better part of this deal. But the man is a sociopath hellbent on recreating an Empire (and failing miserably) and is willing to erase an entire country to do it. It's an unachievable dream but it hasn't stopped him from attempting genocide against Ukraine. He's another cowardly, insecure dictator. That's the irony of most so called 'strongmen.'

Second, some people still believe Trump is some sort of weird genius where he uses the bully pulpit to get results. Saying something outrageous when his intentions are actually something else. The man isn't that deep. What you see is what you get. You say Trump would never have swapped Bout for Griner? I say there's a strong chance Trump pulls out of NATO altogether if he won a second term.

The point is, while this may have been a bad decision by Biden, it's not worth losing our heads over. And I'm much more comfortable with Sleepy Joe in charge of the international order than the vain, mercurial Trump.

 

[carolinablue34]

again, baseless, unsupported claims, in this case that previous Presidents including Trump didn't see that Russia had designs on at least part of Ukraine. WE did, since it was in the news every day going back to the years of the pro-Russian leaders that we helped boot out, but somehow the Presidents missed it. Presidents should start watching the news I guess. I'm going to put it in the suggestion box at the front gate of the White House.

We knew Russia was getting aggressive and more hostile. But we failed to deter them from going further in a meaningful way. And I think there was still a sense of 'Putin will never go this far'. Well, he did. And Ukraine is the one who ultimately pays the price for it.

 

[nctransplant]

We knew Russia was getting aggressive and more hostile. But we failed to deter them from going further in a meaningful way. And I think there was still a sense of 'Putin will never go this far'. Well, he did. And Ukraine is the one who ultimately pays the price for it.

Under who's watch?

 

[bluetoe]

We knew Russia was getting aggressive and more hostile. But we failed to deter them from going further in a meaningful way. And I think there was still a sense of 'Putin will never go this far'. Well, he did. And Ukraine is the one who ultimately pays the price for it.

Oh, so now it isn't that we didn't see it coming, it's that we failed to deter them...

It matters little who was in power when it happened because generations of presidents failed to see this coming. That includes Bush, Obama, and Trump.

But if we're talking about deterring them, Obama failed to deter them, and then Biden did likewise. Where was Trump in all that? Oh that's right, he was in between, deterring them.

 

[carolinablue34]

Under who's watch?

See that's your problem and has always been your problem. Everything that happens is just a way for you to engage in finger pointing politics.

In reality these mistakes go back to Bush, when we failed to take action against the Russian invasion of Georgia. It goes back to Obama, who's response to the annexation of Crimea was underwhelming and weak. It goes back to Trump, who sided with Russia over our own intelligence services in Helinski and gave effusive praise to Putin.

Now we haven't been totally idle. After Crimea, our country has been training and arming Ukraine to the teeth. Let's give credit to Obama and Trump for that. But no one sent a clear enough message. Putin was already smelling blood in the water by the time Biden came around. He didn't just believe we were weak, he thought the entire West, the democratic liberal order, was weak.

 

[carolinablue34]

Oh, so now it isn't that we didn't see it coming, it's that we failed to deter them...



But if we're talking about deterring them, Obama failed to deter them, and then Biden did likewise. Where was Trump in all that? Oh that's right, he was in between, deterring them.

Bullshit. And this is why you can NEVER say you're any more objective than me. Statements like that.

 

[Heelicious]

AZ Senator Sinema on the scene to make the leftists heads implode / explode and I am here for it.

Joe Manchin - it’s your move

She exited the crazy nutbar direction of the Ds and the D party to become an independent. Just like tulsi gabbard. Don’t wait up, don’t hold your breath for the “stunning and brave principled maverick” pieces praising Sinema from the pigs in the MS media. They save those for rogue Rs only.

Seeing the left lose their sht about this after their arrogance about getting some true crooks and morons to win in 22 - is delightful and FUN!

Ds will have very little power to get anything done - especially anything radical - even if Sinema and Manchin don’t caucus with Rs. S and M could have a ton of power and can use this to help get re-elected next time they are up. Can’t get primaried by a leftist D if they run as I or R

All the certifiably insane shit the leftists float on court packing, filibuster removal, electoral college removal, abortion and green / environmental, gun control, COVID, crime enablement, open border forever - is DOA - and buried 6 feet under. For next two years until Rs likely add more senate seats

Seeing these leftist pigs bitch and whine and have to unspike the football, is better than if they didn’t get to gloat and overstep in the first
place

 

[gteeitup]

Im no fan of the swap but Whelan was busted red handed with stolen Russian state secrets in a sting operation set up by his frequent visits to Russia as a “security consultant” for….ready?….an auto parts dealer. His defense is almost laughable. There’s a reason Russia steadfastly refuses to budge on any deals for him, it’s because they think he’s guilty af. Dude was kicked out of marines for stealing and by all accounts appears to not be the beacon of virtue portrayed in the media. Seems to me his detainment is as legit by Russian standards as griners. I wouldn’t swap for either though and let the Russian rot here. Play stupid games….

was hoping someone would talk about this, but of course it’s been ignored here.

 

[bluetoe]

Bullshit. And this is why you can NEVER say you're any more objective than me. Statements like that.

care to say WHY you make that statement? I mean, to substantiate it factually? Didn't think so.

 

[Heels Noir]

"5000 monsters > 1 monster."

Really? One monster who spreads death and mayhem worldwide compared to 5000 who operate within their own country and mostly have not killed anyone?

There is no way you can win this argument and you know it no matter how many lame insults you spew.

Trump Blunder #1: He negotiated directly with the Taliban which has been deemed politically reckless and unjustifiable. Did you know Trump went as far as inviting Taliban representatives to Camp David on 9/11 which was a major factor in the resignation of National Security Advisor John Bolton?

Trump Blunder #2: Part of the prisoner swap agreement included Trump's commitment that the US and its allies would completely pull out of Afghanistan within 14 months of the announcement of the deal.

Trump Blunder #3: These were not victimless prisoners Trump agreed to have released. They were "combat and political prisoners" and among the 5000, 400 of them "had committed major crimes" and were what the State Department described as “hard-core Taliban fighters" who were imprisoned and "convicted of serious crimes, including the killing of Afghans and citizens of the international community and international forces."

They are still considered "a threat to the security of the United States and its allies."

Trump Blunder #4: Despite all the evidence against him, in usual Trump fashion he has denied agreeing to the deal and insists it was the incompetence of others instead of his own which led to its failure.

 

[carolinablue34]

care to say WHY you make that statement? I mean, to substantiate it factually? Didn't think so.

What facts did you offer that Trump responded more effectively to Putin than Obama or Biden?

 

[bluetoe]

There is no way you can win this argument and you know it no matter how many lame insults you spew.

Trump Blunder #1: He negotiated directly with the Taliban which has been deemed politically reckless and unjustifiable. Did you know Trump went as far as inviting Taliban representatives to Camp David on 9/11 which was a major factor in the resignation of National Security Advisor John Bolton?

Trump Blunder #2: Part of the prisoner swap agreement included Trump's commitment that the US and its allies would completely pull out of Afghanistan within 14 months of the announcement of the deal.

Trump Blunder #3: These were not victimless prisoners Trump agreed to have released. They were "combat and political prisoners" and among the 5000, 400 of them "had committed major crimes" and were what the State Department described as “hard-core Taliban fighters" who were imprisoned and "convicted of serious crimes, including the killing of Afghans and citizens of the international community and international forces."

They are still considered "a threat to the security of the United States and its allies."

Trump Blunder #4: Despite all the evidence against him, in usual Trump fashion he has denied agreeing to the deal and insists it was the incompetence of others instead of his own which led to its failure.

as I've pointed out before, you're so full of shit your ears stink. First of all my irony detector just exploded when you talked about lame insults.

#1 John Bolton resigned because something unorthodox and unprecedented was done? Ahhh, what a shame.

#2 Trump promised to get us out of Afhanistan, since we had been there far longer than we should have been. Few disagree with that, but apparently you do. A withdrawl requires a timeline, and most understand that. But apparently you don't.

#3 Who said they were victims? That's just idiotic. But they were prisoners due to fighting the then established power in Afghanistan, and that's a whole different ball of wax from someone who sells boatloads of weapons to them and others around the world who murder women and children with those weapons. The Taliban is the enemy of the U.S. mainly within Afghanistan. Viktor Bout is the enemy of the U.S. and others all over the world.

#4 If he denied it, the denial was probably purposely misconstrued as is the habit of your ilk and the media. And it was definitely not him who botched it.

#5 GTFO with that weak shit. The argument has been won by me and no matter what horseshit you scoop up, and toss, you can't unwin it.

 

[Heels Noir]

as I've pointed out before, you're so full of shit your ears stink. First of all my irony detector just exploded when you talked about lame insults.

#1 John Bolton resigned because something unorthodox and unprecedented was done? Ahhh, what a shame.

#2 Trump promised to get us out of Afhanistan, since we had been there far longer than we should have been. Few disagree with that, but apparently you do. A withdrawl requires a timeline, and most understand that. But apparently you don't.

#3 Who said they were victims? That's just idiotic. But they were prisoners due to fighting the then established power in Afghanistan, and that's a whole different ball of wax from someone who sells boatloads of weapons to them and others around the world who murder women and children with those weapons. The Taliban is the enemy of the U.S. mainly within Afghanistan. Viktor Bout is the enemy of the U.S. and others all over the world.

#4 If he denied it, the denial was probably purposely misconstrued as is the habit of your ilk and the media. And it was definitely not him who botched it.

#5 GTFO with that weak shit. The argument has been won by me and no matter what horseshit you scoop up, and toss, you can't unwin it.

Hilarious! You would make a great litigator, blue (sarcasm intended). You would never win a single case.

that's a whole different ball of wax from someone who sells boatloads of weapons to them
That's like saying the 15-year-old thugs who murder women and children during a drive-by shooting are less guilty than the friend who sold them the handguns the day before. What an asinine and stupid way of comprehending things.

Go ahead and think you're winning the argument while I laugh a little more at your utter foolishness. Donald Trump could fly to the Triangle from Florida and come to your house, spit in your face, whack you upside the head with a baseball bat, and then engage you in naked sodomy on your front lawn and you would still love him. Perhaps even more than you already do.

 

[bluetoe]

What facts did you offer that Trump responded more effectively to Putin than Obama or Biden?

seriously? I'm not going to retrieve years and years of factual history for you, especially when it's mostly common knowledge that backs me up. It's readily available on the interwebs and it isn't opinion. What you offered, on the other hand, IS empty opinion because you didn't even attempt to say on what basis you were expressing it. THAT isn't something that can be found on the internet.

That's like me responding to a post of yours in prlyles fashion by saying only 'you're wrong', and expecting that to be meaningful. You're not this stupid. Do better.

But here, just because I like you...

obama. President in office when Crimea was taken by Russia, He refused to aid Ukraine with weapons.

Trump. Aided Ukraine with weapons against Russia-supporting and Russian insurrectionists.

Biden. President in office when Russia invaded Ukraine proper.

That's just from memory, so don't come back nitpicking...it's essentially true and accurate.

 

[Heels Noir]

Trump. Aided Ukraine with weapons against Russia-supporting and Russian insurrectionists.

You're conveniently leaving out the best part.

In 2018 Trump pledged the $47 million sale of 210 Javelin anti-tank missiles and 37 launchers to Ukraine, but then a year later during that infamous phone call when Trump said to Zelenskyy, "I would like you to do us a favor though." Of course he was referring to digging up dirt against his upcoming opponent, Joe Biden, which brought about his FIRST of TWO IMPEACHMENTS.

I guess this is just another innocent faux paux on your behalf considering the man crush you have with this loser.

 

[Heels Noir]

 

[bluetoe]

Hilarious! You would make a great litigator, blue (sarcasm intended). You would never win a single case.

that's a whole different ball of wax from someone who sells boatloads of weapons to them
That's like saying the 15-year-old thugs who murder women and children during a drive-by shooting are less guilty than the friend who sold them the handguns the day before. What an asinine and stupid way of comprehending things.

Go ahead and think you're winning the argument while I laugh a little more at your utter foolishness. Donald Trump could fly to the Triangle from Florida and come to your house, spit in your face, whack you upside the head with a baseball bat, and then engage you in naked sodomy on your front lawn and you would still love him. Perhaps even more than you already do.

there's nothing in what I said to suggest that I worship Donald Trump. I do defend the truth of the matter though, and the truth of the matter is that you are spewing TDS gibberish as usual. Nice try making this about Trump, but you fail as usual. This is about the harm that Joe Biden is doing to not just us anymore but the world at large.

I said nothing about comparative guilt. Murder is murder. You talk about an asinine and stupid way of comprehending things, and then you stupidly do just that. I suggested that the criminal set free by Joe Biden is much more of a threat to the security of the world than those freed Taliban prisoners are. Maybe go back and read it again, or better yet get someone to help you better understand.

As usual, you try to shade the argument in your favor with skewed wordplay because 1) you have no valid argument to put forth without doing so and 2) you are basically an infantile creep and a liar and not at all ethically grounded.

LMAO at your floundering around in vain.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Is that the reason red states rely on blue states to keep them going? If the red states are so great why can’t they pull their own weight?

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the majority of the high earners in those blue states that are paying the majority of the individual taxes, and running the companies that are paying the majority of the corporate taxes, ain't voting blue.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

We’re in a far stronger position than Putin.

We leveraged that strength perfectly.

What a ****ing disgrace.

 

[carolinablue34]

We leveraged that strength perfectly.

What a ****ing disgrace.

Which makes the decision all the more puzzling because we are in a better situation than Russia.

 

[Heelicious]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the majority of the high earners in those blue states that are paying the majority of the individual taxes, and running the companies that are paying the majority of the corporate taxes, ain't voting blue.

Absolutely. And blue state economies supporting red states? Crazy wrong. Here’s a deal - it’s a pretty evenly split country state wise - red vs blue in population. I bet the red state economic output and gdp is larger than that for blue states. Or at least there is a major shift from red to blue. 100s or 1000s of small businesses moving from red to blue. And many large corporations. Moving from states like CA IL NY MN MD to states like TX FL SC SD OH

What businessman looking to make an honest product or good or service to market across the US or globally says “ given a choice between a red state or a blue state - I’m going to go with the high tax high regulation, business unfriendly, higher crime, lower work ethic work force found in the blue state”. ?

I know the blue state / inner city metro defenders will deny this claim - but nobody can deny there is a mass corporate / business shift from dates like CA and NY to TX and FL. Companies like Boeing, Tesla, many former Silicon Valley companies.

Why is this?

It will never happen - but I wish we could live to see a division of red state and blue state America. Red state America would kick blue state America economically so hard it would be hilarious

 

[Heels Noir]

Nice try making this about Trump, but you fail as usual. This is about the harm that Joe Biden is doing to not just us anymore but the world at large.

I made it about Trump by pointing out the FIVE THOUSAND Taliban prisoners he helped gain their freedom. Compare that to Joe Biden helping to orchestrate the release of EXACTLY ONE Russian prisoner and you've been trying to argue that Biden's act is severely worse than Trump's, which is about as retarded as you are. They are both sad and unfortunate acts.

I said nothing about comparative guilt. Murder is murder.

You have repeatedly downplayed the murders and war crimes of the Taliban fighters for the past several posts in an effort to make Biden's actions appear worse than Trump's, which now makes you a LIAR.

I suggested that the criminal set free by Joe Biden is much more of a threat to the security of the world than those freed Taliban prisoners are.

Tell that to the more than 100 people, including 13 US service members, who were killed by these same Taliban terrorists at Kabul International Airport in August 2021.

 

[bluetoe]

You're conveniently leaving out the best part.

In 2018 Trump pledged the $47 million sale of 210 Javelin anti-tank missiles and 37 launchers to Ukraine, but then a year later during that infamous phone call when Trump said to Zelenskyy, "I would like you to do us a favor though." Of course he was referring to digging up dirt against his upcoming opponent, Joe Biden, which brought about his FIRST of TWO IMPEACHMENTS.

I guess this is just another innocent faux paux on your behalf considering the man crush you have with this loser.

not leaving anything out, conveniently or otherwise. Trump was within his rights to ask for an investigation, on behalf of the U.S., into an obviously fishy situation involving a former politician named Joe Biden who was at the time representing the U.S., and his son, which stunk to high heaven of influence peddling.

Biden, on the other hand, had blatantly threatened the withholding of congressionally-approved aid in order to have the prosecutor fired who had been investigating that same arrangement. Maybe YOU conveniently left something out. You usually do, of course.

But you did remember to remind of the politically-motivated impeachments that were foisted on all of us while the country's business was held hostage. Thank you for that. Stupid, treasonous dems.

 

[carolinablue34]

Absolutely. And blue state economies supporting red states? Crazy wrong. Here’s a deal - it’s a pretty evenly split country state wise - red vs blue in population. I bet the red state economic output and gdp is larger than that for blue states. Or at least there is a major shift from red to blue. 100s or 1000s of small businesses moving from red to blue. And many large corporations. Moving from states like CA IL NY MN MD to states like TX FL SC SD OH

What businessman looking to make an honest product or good or service to market across the US or globally says “ given a choice between a red state or a blue state - I’m going to go with the high tax high regulation, business unfriendly, higher crime, lower work ethic work force found in the blue state”. ?

I know the blue state / inner city metro defenders will deny this claim - but nobody can deny there is a mass corporate / business shift from dates like CA and NY to TX and FL. Companies like Boeing, Tesla, many former Silicon Valley companies.

Why is this?

It will never happen - but I wish we could live to see a division of red state and blue state America. Red state America would kick blue state America economically so hard it would be hilarious

Since when is this country’s worth reduced down to a dick measuring contest between red and blue?

 

[carolinablue34]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the majority of the high earners in those blue states that are paying the majority of the individual taxes, and running the companies that are paying the majority of the corporate taxes, ain't voting blue.

I wouldn’t call them dye in the red conservatives either. They’re not bleeding heart pinkos. But they don’t follow the manifesto of the Texas GOP lol.

 

[Heels Noir]

Trump was within his rights to ask for an investigation, on behalf of the U.S., into an obviously fishy situation involving a former politician named Joe Biden who was at the time representing the U.S., and his son, which stunk to high heaven of influence peddling.

Biden, on the other hand, had blatantly threatened the withholding of congressionally-approved aid in order to have the prosecutor fired who had been investigating that same arrangement. Maybe YOU conveniently left something out. You usually do, of course.

The only problem is Trump didn't "ask." He held up $400 million approved by Congress to aid Ukraine's military until the phone call was discovered and made public. Furthermore, as for the investigation of the Bidens:
WASHINGTON — An election-year investigation by Senate Republicans into corruption allegations against Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his son, Hunter, involving Ukraine found no evidence of improper influence or wrongdoing by the former vice president, closing out an inquiry its leaders had hoped would tarnish the Democratic presidential nominee.

Biden's threat to withhold funding for Ukraine over its corrupt leaders was not only legitimate and just but also applauded by both Republicans and Democrats.

Quit lying.

 

[blazers]

Trump Blunder #2: Part of the prisoner swap agreement included Trump's commitment that the US and its allies would completely pull out of Afghanistan within 14 months of the announcement of the deal.

This was a huge blunder due to execution.

#2 A withdrawl requires a timeline, and most understand that. But apparently you don't.

Wrong. You can also withdraw based on conditions. Trump and co made concession after concession to the extent that we promised to leave unconditionally, hence the Taliban gaining so much strength during their final stage.

The goal was to get out and that was accomplished. It was going to be ugly regardless of what the acting President did, but the plan for withdrawal should've had more favorable restrictions for the US and Afghanis.

But we're out, so that's good... as long as we don't put boots into Ukraine as an alternative.

 

[strummingram]

Since when is this country’s worth reduced down to a dick measuring contest between red and blue?

About 40 years ago

 

[bluetoe]

I made it about Trump by pointing out the FIVE THOUSAND Taliban prisoners he helped gain their freedom. Compare that to Joe Biden helping to orchestrate the release of EXACTLY ONE Russian prisoner and you've been trying to argue that Biden's act is severely worse than Trump's, which is about as retarded as you are. They are both sad and unfortunate acts.

You have repeatedly downplayed the murders and war crimes of the Taliban fighters for the past several posts in an effort to make Biden's actions appear worse than Trump's, which now makes you a LIAR.

I have indeed pointed out that Biden's act of freeing one prisoner is more injurious to our national and the world's security than those five grand exchanged for one grand (which you conveniently failed to mention), and i have stated why, which you conveniently ignore as you shade meanings as usual. OF COURSE that requires comparing the relative danger to us and the world; but only you would say that I was downplaying anything, because you are basically dishonest. You apparently just can't help yourself.

I could just as well say you are downplaying the harm in releasing Bout because you actually are, by bringing up the Taliban exchange. But I haven't, because I'm not dishonest like you are and I actually have an argument where you have none. Nothing unusual there.

Your futile attempt to paint me as the liar is just laughable. Keep flailing away though, maybe you'll accidentally hit something.

So back to the basic premise, which is that Biden committed a horrendous act of treachery, for the lame purpose of sucking up to the LGBTQ people. That one prisoner is now free to do more harm than all those Taliban prisoners, which has been my point all along (they are ALL guilty or they wouldn't have been in prison. Duh). People will probably die because of his moral turpitude. BTW, those Taliban prisoners you keep stupidly hanging your hat on would have ended up being freed at any rate. Did you conveniently forget to consider that?

 

[bluetoe]

This was a huge blunder due to execution.

Wrong. You can also withdraw based on conditions. Trump and co made concession after concession to the extent that we promised to leave unconditionally, hence the Taliban gaining so much strength during their final stage.

The goal was to get out and that was accomplished. It was going to be ugly regardless of what the acting President did, but the plan for withdrawal should've had more favorable restrictions for the US and Afghanis.

But we're out, so that's good... as long as we don't put boots into Ukraine as an alternative.

no, you still have to have a timeline or at least a time frame, because even acting conditionally requires acting in a time frame, unless the actors are complete idiots. Not a major point to get into a back and forth over.

I don't feel like getting into it just now, but I disagree with not holding Biden largely or mostly accountable for allowing the Taliban to be in position to force its hand. I think that's pretty well understood, so I have to wonder whose plan for withdrawal you're speaking of.

 

[Heels Noir]

Biden's act of freeing one prisoner is more injurious to our national and the world's security than those five grand exchanged for one grand

Let me know when Viktor Bout can be linked with the death of an American in the future, much less 13 of them.

 

[Heels Noir]

Not a major point to get into a back and forth over.

That's because you know your argument is flawed, stupid, without merit, dishonest, etc., etc.

 

[blazers]

Absolutely. And blue state economies supporting red states? Crazy wrong. Here’s a deal - it’s a pretty evenly split country state wise - red vs blue in population. I bet the red state economic output and gdp is larger than that for blue states.

red/blue is urban vs rural. The convo should almost be less about states and more about cities/counties.

In 2016 the 2,584 counties that Trump won generated just 36% of the country’s GDP, Hillary Clinton;s 472 were 64%.

In 2020 Biden’s 509 counties were 71%, while Trump’s 2,547 counties were just 29% of GDP. Plenty of 2020 was never-Trumpers who are still conservative though.

 

[bluetoe]

They must not have been as tight as you claim.

amazing what escapes some people's understanding when they want to not understand.

 

[bluetoe]

That's because you know your argument is flawed, stupid, without merit, dishonest, etc., etc.

have I told you lately how lamely predictable you are?

 

[bluetoe]

Let me know when Viktor Bout can be linked with the death of an American in the future, much less 13 of them.

there you go again. 'Linked' is the word you use when you want to imply a connection that has only been suggested, and that by the usual detractors. And liars.

 

[blazers]

Absolutely. And blue state economies supporting red states? Crazy wrong. Here’s a deal - it’s a pretty evenly split country state wise - red vs blue in population. I bet the red state economic output and gdp is larger than that for blue states. Or at least there is a major shift from red to blue. 100s or 1000s of small businesses moving from red to blue. And many large corporations. Moving from states like CA IL NY MN MD to states like TX FL SC SD OH

What businessman looking to make an honest product or good or service to market across the US or globally says “ given a choice between a red state or a blue state - I’m going to go with the high tax high regulation, business unfriendly, higher crime, lower work ethic work force found in the blue state”. ?

I know the blue state / inner city metro defenders will deny this claim - but nobody can deny there is a mass corporate / business shift from dates like CA and NY to TX and FL. Companies like Boeing, Tesla, many former Silicon Valley companies.

Why is this?

It will never happen - but I wish we could live to see a division of red state and blue state America. Red state America would kick blue state America economically so hard it would be hilarious

this is kinda interesting. LOL at DC.

 

[strummingram]

this is kinda interesting. LOL at DC.

Mississippi... still, as always... at the very bottom. I think it's poetic justice, in a way.

 

[Heels Noir]

red/blue is urban vs rural. The convo should almost be less about states and more about cities/counties.

In 2016 the 2,584 counties that Trump won generated just 36% of the country’s GDP, Hillary Clinton;s 472 were 64%.

In 2020 Biden’s 509 counties were 71%, while Trump’s 2,547 counties were just 29% of GDP. Plenty of 2020 was never-Trumpers who are still conservative though.

Nice work, blaze.

 

[Heels Noir]

there you go again. 'Linked' is the word you use when you want to imply a connection that has only been suggested, and that by the usual detractors. And liars.

Not true. Arrogance undermined by ignorance makes for someone who is completely intolerable. Do yourself a favor and learn when it's time to simply STFU.