I didn't say I could catch you, you can probably run like a rabbit. I can not, not anymore. But if you were cornered, into the trash can you'd go.
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this is the most poorly-reasoned suggestion ever, and it always has been. Churches are built and maintained on tax-paid money, and they don't make a profit because they aren't selling a service or product. The members are using their tax-paid money to obtain fellowship and to provide a place for whatever preaching goes along with it. It's effectively no different than a bunch of guys building a clubhouse and meeting to watch ball games, and paying a bartender to hand out drinks and beer and maybe retaining a lawyer for liability purposes. The members have already paid tax on the money they use to build the clubhouse and pay the electric bill, and the bartender and lawyer will pay taxes on what they are paid. Whatever money is left over from collecting dues goes into the kitty, and it still is the members' tax-paid money at their disposal. By what rational way of thinking would anyone believe that money should be taxed AGAIN?
Like the bartender, if there is money paid to the preacher, he is taxed on it. If that money is $100/year or a million a year, he is taxed on it. Fees paid directly for weddings, etc., are taxed. Any overages collected belong to the members because it is still their tax-paid money.
No legit money goes untaxed. If a Tammy Fae Wray or a Creflo Furlo are claiming that the Rolls is a legitimate expense, the IRS isn't doing their job if they are getting away with it. If they build a million dollar mansion, no tax or moral law has been broken because one way or the other, it was built on tax-paid money (if the church retains ownership) or it was taxed as income by the recipients (if the house was gifted to them).
Most of the time, the suggestion by people to tax churches comes from the same irrational and resentful hatred that clouds the rest of their thinking. No one wants to tax you for not believing in God, stop trying to tax them just because they do.
Now then...if you want to make a sensible suggestion, propose that tax deductions for church donations be eliminated, along with all other deductions. It's the most idiotic thing about our tax code and our system, the manipulations that have been added in along the way by politicians, for varying purposes.
No one should get a tax break for the personal choices they have made, because to do so puts an unfair burden on those who have not made those choices, while at the same time causing the need to raise taxes for everybody across the board. Children, church, mortgages...do away with those and all others. Eliminate all tax deductions (with a few common sense exceptions), make income taxation simple enough for any fourth-grader to figure, and sanity will return.
If you want to join a church and tithe or whatever that's called, then do so without getting a tax break that causes me to have to fork over the taxes that you didn't pay because you decided church was for you. It isn't for me, and I shouldn't be forced to subsidize your choice.
My company is an s-corp, and it pays no taxes to speak of. But I do. If my company did pay taxes, that would just be less for me to pay taxes on, and less tax collected from me. Duh. Taxing corporations is just another idiotic idea. Companies have to cover expenses through whatever it is they are selling. Taxes are an expense. So whatever is collected from the corporations in taxes is paid in higher prices for the goods and services offered. Taxed money doesn't just appear out of thin air. AND those domestic companies with those higher prices are now less competitive with companies in places that don't tax their own companies, causing fewer sales for the domestic companies, which when combined with the tax expense, allows less money to increase wages with, which results in less tax collected. And besides that, money collected and run through the government is like carrying water in a leaky bucket. Even before it's used, it's half gone.
I don't worship Donald Trump, but I'm damn glad there are still people like him around who understand these exceedingly simple notions and are willing to act on them (or at least as much as allowed by the usual idiots) accordingly. I am happy that the mindless children on the left who only understand going after the money of the wealthy and spending more than is taken in, no longer control the House.
For @Heels Noir, a synopsis...tax church bad. No tax church.
OOTB used to be a place with short post that got right to the point. You were shamed for long post. Now I feel like it's become a bad book club with a bunch of short stories. You guys need to get editors.
The Catholic defending the church...what a shock. Forgive me for not reading that. It's longer than the Apocrypha.
I like how you do things you think are getting under my skin when in fact you're just whiffing. Whiff away.
Not defending 'the church', the church needs no defending. I am not religious and I can't remember the last time I was in a church. What I am defending is anyone's right to go to church or whatever else they decide to do with their own private time without some idiot wanting to tax them for it or otherwise impede them just because of their own preferences.
Some people can't grasp the concept of freedom, even as much as they harp endlessly on it.
It's a shame you can't read a few paragraphs. You should learn to. There are entire books full of paragraphs that would benefit you.
And, please tell these celestial monarch worshipping clubs to stay out of the government operations. They don't pay anything. Freedom isn't free.
Thanks for the well-timed segue, blue.
You know how you like to hurl insults and then claim to be winning the debate/argument (whatever winning means)? But then you get so frustrated that you begin to make ridiculous assertions of a more physical nature? You know, like claiming to cuff strum behind the ears or stuff me in a locker? Herculean feats for a feeble geriatric like yourself.
In the world of Internet message boards, those are last-ditch indications that we have indeed gotten under your skin and that you are undoubtably losing the battle. That you have completely failed at one-upmanship using your limited brain power and are resorting to dreamlike physical brawn instead (which is pure folly in an anonymous cyber world, you putz).
But please don't stop. No matter how bad life may get, I'm always assured a few hardy laughs thanks to your daily senile confusion.
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There are plenty of lunatics to go around in America today, but I'm afraid the Republicans have the edge.
Exhibit A: Trump is currently in front of Ron DeSantis by 17 points.
Trump Is Plotting How to Kick DeSantis ‘In the Nuts.’
CNN breaks story conservative media already reported on 2 years ago.
thefederalist.com
CNN 'Breaks' News The Federalist Reported Years Ago On Bidens
Many of the details branded as revelations in CNN's reporting were already reported by The Federalist years ago.
thefederalist.com
CNN breaks story conservative media already reported on 2 years ago.
CNN 'Breaks' News The Federalist Reported Years Ago On Bidens
Many of the details branded as revelations in CNN's reporting were already reported by The Federalist years ago.
Maybe Fake News is starting to turn the corner.
But some of the really smart leftists here told us this wasn’t happening. Weird. I don’t know if I can believe them anymore.
so now people you don't like can't voice opinions? What a freedom fighter you are. I guess in your mind you have to pay for freedom. In my mind freedom is granted to everyone.
LOL... bullshit. Separation of church and state. If you want a seat at the table, you pay for your seat like everyone else. If you're going to claim to be a "church", to avoid taxes, then shut up and stay out of the "secular" activities. Remain obedient to your Celestial Monarch.
This fear of CRT is interesting. I guess it's universally understood, and/or accepted, that being racially prejudiced and oppressing people based on their race is, for lack of a better term, WRONG. No one wants to be labeled a racist or be seen as being, acting, or imposing racially prejudiced behavior. White people have collectively decided that... NOW, it's bad. It was always bad/wrong/immoral whatever.
But, then when it appears in a historical context, they are terrified of it so much that they want it removed from the curriculum. Like it never happened. They're so ashamed of it that they refuse to admit that they ever engaged in it. Which, in essence, reveals that they're not fully embracing that it was ever wrong to begin with!
All I can do is comment on what an idiotic idea you present. As I explained, there is no reason to tax churches to begin with. They are not a for-profit entity. Some people might hide their for-profit corporation behind the veil of a so-called church, but that doesn't reflect on churches, it reflects on identifying the for-profit entity as being one. The money that flows through a church is properly taxed. The money that a corporation operating as a church has is money that should be taxed. What's the difference?
You are stupidly suggesting that churches should be taxed just to catch those who use the fact that churches are not being taxed. That's the kind of short-sighted thinking that has this country twisted up like a pretzel.
Learn to see the bigger picture. Things will become more clear and rationality will begin to direct your thoughts.
LMAO. You take what is obviously meant to be jest seriously, and you say I'm not winning?
You can deny it all day long, but what's obvious is that I have gotten under your skin and remain there. If that wasn't true, you wouldn't have bothered to respond so defensively to the idea that I might stuff you in a trash can or cuff your alter ego behind the ears. You're just a psycho.
So by that logic, only individuals paying taxes get a seat at the table? Interesting. I could get down with that.
I don't even understand what you're trying to say here. I'm guessing it's just a word salad for you to in some way insult conservatives or traditional thinking.
But if you're asking if racism is bad, I think most of us can agree. If you're asking me to sit around, drum up the past that can't be changed and talk about how bad it is and how anyone that ever took part is a vile human that doesn't deserve to live, all the while forgetting to teach actual useful information, then no thanks. That seems like a colossal waste of time.
can you indicate the profit? I don't see it. I imagine that a lot of those people will give their money to whoever is running that show. Whoever that is will treat that as income and pay taxes on it. So far no problem that I can see. But I'll be on the lookout for that evil profit that only your keen eyes can see.
You're right... no profit in this shit at all.
I guess we should start taxing concerts. Lots of people attend concerts and there is usually a lot of visual razzmatazz and loud sounds. That's the basis for being taxed on profit, right? Until you enlightened me, I thought that the performers just got paid for performing and then paid taxes on that income. I wish you could give me a little more detail on how this all works. This profit thing is a lot trickier than I thought.
Yeah, you do. You're just lying to cover for the institution you're hard-wired to defend.
I'm not asking anything. Did you see a question mark anywhere in my comments? < that thing, right there
They're so ashamed of their past that they insist that it not actually be taught.
It's better to... whitewash it! "White people abolished slavery!"... "But, where did slavery come from?"... "Mean black people sold their own population to white people long ago and white people brought them to America so they could love Jesus!"... THE END!
Umm, who has been deprived of learning about the institution of slavery? I’m unaware of such curriculum anywhere in the country that avoids this topic. Can you provide some examples?
no, you're just a hate-filled idiot taking stabs in the dark. You have said nothing to counter my simple explanations that the money that flows is being taxed properly. It matters not whether that involves a mass gathering or some little hole in the wall, someone receives income and pays taxes on it. SHOW ME the problem.
But you'll just whine and foam at the mouth because apparently Jesus doesn't love you.
Thank goodness that the church and organized religion are both paying their fair share!
Can you provide examples of a distorted teaching of the past? CRT is a threat to you for some odd reason. Teaching accurate history isn't "living in the past."
actually, you're so engrossed with the past that you insist we remain there.
And while you're at it, you deny freedom to the religious just because you don't like them, but at the same time you can't get enough freedom-giving to those who were already granted freedom long ago. That's called virtue-signaling, BTW. I didn't want to say it because I know you get upset when presented with that word. But it's the truth.
and again, all you have to offer is your usual obnoxious snark. SHOW ME what the church is getting away with. Actually explain it. I promise not to dismiss any actual exchange of ideas with a tl;dr.
That's not true at all. It's difficult for you because you have this need to maintain the ruse that what really happened didn't REALLY happen. You constantly make excuses for it. That's what I expect from you. You're chained to it...aggressively chained to it. You're like an addict that refuses to admit that the substances they abused were actually substances that were harmful to begin with.
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