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Lol please stop talking as if you know anything about this topic. Are you in the medical field? Are you a psychologist? Are you trans yourself? If not, take your ass elsewhere.
I am simply repeating what the medical field and science have already stated and shown with numerous studies. It's basic knowledge for anyone looking into the topic.

You, on the other hand, just spout off nonsense. Perhaps you want to justify something to yourself but it's a fact gender dysphoria is overwhelmingly a temporary condition and is not innate.
 
Well I don't know about that last one or when he died.

What I do know is that two things can be true at the same time. I'm sure there were people just harmlessly milling about not doing much. I'm sure some of the officers and security people were calmly trying to get them out. But there's other video footage that shows people behaving violently, forcing their way in, gnashing, screaming, and make no mistake if some of them got their hands on actual Senators/representatives it would have gotten ugly.

It also doesn't take away from the fact they shouldn't have been inside in the first place. It doesn't take away the wrongly believed an election to be stolen. And the that erroneous belief was perpetuated by the former President.
" But there's other video footage that shows people behaving violently, forcing their way in, gnashing, screaming, and make no mistake if some of them got their hands on actual Senators/representatives it would have gotten ugly."

And what about it?

Did you bother to watch or learn what happened prior?

Did you bother to learn when those videos were taking and where?

Or who those people really were? For example, when most of the people tearing down the barricades and urging people on are later identified as agents and assets of the government and that has happened, that changes things quite a bit.

Lastly, they were all just peaceful protestors and immensely so by the standards the likes of you had insisted on for months on end the prior year.
 
" But there's other video footage that shows people behaving violently, forcing their way in, gnashing, screaming, and make no mistake if some of them got their hands on actual Senators/representatives it would have gotten ugly."

And what about it?

Did you bother to watch or learn what happened prior?

Did you bother to learn when those videos were taking and where?

Or who those people really were? For example, when most of the people tearing down the barricades and urging people on are later identified as agents and assets of the government and that has happened, that changes things quite a bit.

Lastly, they were all just peaceful protestors and immensely so by the standards the likes of you had insisted on for months on end the prior year.

And you're full of shit as always.

Give it a rest. No one here believes or cares about your tinfoil hat, screwball revionist conspiracy theories.

Idk what kind of acid you've been taking but you probably should have stopped at dose number five.
 
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Well I don't know about that last one or when he died.

What I do know is that two things can be true at the same time. I'm sure there were people just harmlessly milling about not doing much. I'm sure some of the officers and security people were calmly trying to get them out. But there's other video footage that shows people behaving violently, forcing their way in, gnashing, screaming, and make no mistake if some of them got their hands on actual Senators/representatives it would have gotten ugly.

It also doesn't take away from the fact they shouldn't have been inside in the first place. It doesn't take away the wrongly believed an election to be stolen. And the that erroneous belief was perpetuated by the former President.
We agree that multiple things can be happening at once. Myself and others have repeatedly acknowledged that there were surely law breakers that day who needed to be arrested, charged and prosecuted. There are still many, many questions without good answers about that day. The bizarre part is how difficult it has been to get solid answers to much of this when it shouldn't be that difficult. This is always the issue when one paints any narrative and then tries to fit the information to that notion - and that applies to any narrative.

Here's the thing that the video shows. The real law breakers (and I'm not talking about people who walked around or technically entered a place they were not supposed to because they were not aware of it being improper) were apparently relatively small in number. The much, much larger number "were people just harmlessly milling about not doing much" to use your words.

Isn't this the very definition of "mostly peaceful protestors"?????
 
We agree that multiple things can be happening at once. Myself and others have repeatedly acknowledged that there were surely law breakers that day who needed to be arrested, charged and prosecuted. There are still many, many questions without good answers about that day. The bizarre part is how difficult it has been to get solid answers to much of this when it shouldn't be that difficult. This is always the issue when one paints any narrative and then tries to fit the information to that notion - and that applies to any narrative.

Here's the thing that the video shows. The real law breakers (and I'm not talking about people who walked around or technically entered a place they were not supposed to because they were not aware of it being improper) were apparently relatively small in number. The much, much larger number "were people just harmlessly milling about not doing much" to use your words.

Isn't this the very definition of "mostly peaceful protestors"?????
It's basically useless with the sheep of this board, they will just keep on sheeping.
 
And you're full of shit as always.

Give it a rest. No one here believes or cares about your tinfoil hat, screwball revionist conspiracy theories.

Idk what kind of acid you've been taking but you probably should have stopped at dose number five.
So you like to smear informed people sharing facts as crazy while you are the sane one. Let's see. How about some questions?

You have male chromosomes, right? You are actually a man who feels he should be a woman and so you take drugs and maybe will do more than that in order to make you feel better and satisfy this feeling inside you, right?

However, you want people to actually believe that you are female, and if they do not, they are not accepting you and others like you.

In reality, you could be accepted for what you really are, a man who has taken steps to appear more like a woman in order to make yourself feel better and deal with your affliction.

Instead you want everyone to believe a lie, and a lie that harms others like female athletes forced to compete against men and children forced to be subjected to twisted adults trying to promote gender dysphoria in them and bullying trans people trying to coerce others to go trans because it's cool, particularly girls with autism.

Yet you are the sane one? I don't think so.
 
Why isn't he being arrested? Instead they are escorting him in.



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This is always the issue when one paints any narrative and then tries to fit the information to that notion - and that applies to any narrative.

Here's the thing that the video shows. The real law breakers (and I'm not talking about people who walked around or technically entered a place they were not supposed to because they were not aware of it being improper)

This is 2 minutes of footage of that guy, and other rioters/trespassers entering the building. He is at the 30 second mark, can't miss the horns:
https://media.dcd.uscourts.gov/Cases/Exhibit 2.MOV

Plus In his signed statement, pleading guilty, he admitted to entering the Capitol through a broken door and "was not lawfully authorized to enter or remain in the building". He admits multiple times in the statement that officers asked him and others leave the Capitol.

Why were the cops not arresting people that had kicked their asses? Good question. Regardless these guys are guilty of being in a place they shouldn't be in, they were in a group that was a violent mob, they didn't leave when told to, and their stated intent to disrupt transition of power, hurt members of congress, etc.

I'm sure some were just "millling" innocently, but Q Shaman doesn't fit that based on ALL footage.
 
Still a mystery why cops/nattyguard/dhs, etc weren't prepared for this, but watching this 12 minutes of footage leads me to believe lots of the cops had to make a choice given that they were massively outnumbered - shoot people in self-defense, creating a massacre, or stand aside.



Look at the 2:40 mark "you're outnumbered let us thru, we're peaceful, .... it ain't safe for you guys"
 
Good thing the J6 committee didn't pull any dirty sh!t like that................
They painted the narrative of the shit he's guilty of. Why do they ALSO need to show him being peaceful at times? Jeffrey Dahmer was peaceful while chewing his food...
 
They painted the narrative of the shit he's guilty of. Why do they ALSO need to show him being peaceful at times? Jeffrey Dahmer was peaceful while chewing his food...
They hired a freaking TV producer, they misrepresented Sen. Hawley, they didn't talk to many of the cops on the ground, they neglected the presence of the peaceful protesters, the list goes on and on. They made it out like this protest was as violent and damaging as the BLM and antifa riots, which it obviously wasn't. How did Pelosi's daughter know to be there and document that day? Why was the intel ignored? Any focus on that from that clown show? Why are Schumer and McConnel so against the video's being released? If those two are against it there is something dirty going on.
 
This is 2 minutes of footage of that guy, and other rioters/trespassers entering the building. He is at the 30 second mark, can't miss the horns:
https://media.dcd.uscourts.gov/Cases/Exhibit 2.MOV

Plus In his signed statement, pleading guilty, he admitted to entering the Capitol through a broken door and "was not lawfully authorized to enter or remain in the building". He admits multiple times in the statement that officers asked him and others leave the Capitol.

Why were the cops not arresting people that had kicked their asses? Good question. Regardless these guys are guilty of being in a place they shouldn't be in, they were in a group that was a violent mob, they didn't leave when told to, and their stated intent to disrupt transition of power, hurt members of congress, etc.

I'm sure some were just "millling" innocently, but Q Shaman doesn't fit that based on ALL footage.
Violent mob is just BS on your part. Shaman dude asked the police if they could go in and they told him yes, if there were peaceful, which they were..
 
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They painted the narrative of the shit he's guilty of. Why do they ALSO need to show him being peaceful at times? Jeffrey Dahmer was peaceful while chewing his food...
You also fail to answer the question of who opened the doors in the first place and who knocked out the windows.
 
Still a mystery why cops/nattyguard/dhs, etc weren't prepared for this, but watching this 12 minutes of footage leads me to believe lots of the cops had to make a choice given that they were massively outnumbered - shoot people in self-defense, creating a massacre, or stand aside.



Look at the 2:40 mark "you're outnumbered let us thru, we're peaceful, .... it ain't safe for you guys"
Nothing shown in that clip is an insurrection. Nor armed conflict. Nor are they wreaking major property damage, trying to burn the place down like the dems do, or even beating up people.

That clip shows a real "mostly peaceful protest."

So they came in there and celebrated. Big whooping deal. That is NOT equivalent to 9/11 or an attack on our democracy or anything like that.
Plus, they all went home. Getting rowdy, convincing the cops to let you parade around the Capitol is not that big a deal. Yeah, there is a statute being violated. So is walking in the street blocking traffic like the BLM "protests."

If you are going to let one happen, you gotta let the other side protest as well.
 
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they didn't talk to many of the cops on the ground,
There were several cops who gave live testimony on tv, and more many more of course offline.
they neglected the presence of the peaceful protesters, the list goes on and on.
neglected? How? Again, who cares whether Jeffrey Dahmer used salt and pepper? Why do we care that some people were peaceful?
They made it out like this protest was as violent and damaging as the BLM and antifa riots, which it obviously wasn't.
There was no comparison to BLM or Antifa, nor should there be. Not once was BLM/Antifa brought up.... and why would it when the crimes of BLM protesters have zero relevance on crimes of J6 protesters.
How did Pelosi's daughter know to be there and document that day?
There were tons of documentarians there. How? The same way every other news station knew to be there, and because Trump said "be there, be wild".
Why was the intel ignored? Any focus on that from that clown show?
Great Question. It wasn't the focus. They interviewed some generals and DHS folks it was a bunch of circular finger-pointing. Of course the problem of prep is an entirely different matter than accountability for criminals. I think that should be it's own investigation.
Why are Schumer and McConnel so against the video's being released? If those two are against it there is something dirty going on.
Probably cuz they know Tucker Carlson will say "to this day there is dispute over how Chansley got into the capitol", and people will believe him despite Video showing clearly how/when he entered PLUS his signed testimony which explains it.
 
There were several cops who gave live testimony on tv, and more many more of course offline.

neglected? How? Again, who cares whether Jeffrey Dahmer used salt and pepper? Why do we care that some people were peaceful?

There was no comparison to BLM or Antifa, nor should there be. Not once was BLM/Antifa brought up.... and why would it when the crimes of BLM protesters have zero relevance on crimes of J6 protesters.

There were tons of documentarians there. How? The same way every other news station knew to be there, and because Trump said "be there, be wild".

Great Question. It wasn't the focus. They interviewed some generals and DHS folks it was a bunch of circular finger-pointing. Of course the problem of prep is an entirely different matter than accountability for criminals. I think that should be it's own investigation.

Probably cuz they know Tucker Carlson will say "to this day there is dispute over how Chansley got into the capitol", and people will believe him despite Video showing clearly how/when he entered PLUS his signed testimony which explains it.
Tucker Carlson hadn't even aired anything when those 2 losers were crying about the video's being released.
 
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This is 2 minutes of footage of that guy, and other rioters/trespassers entering the building. He is at the 30 second mark, can't miss the horns:
https://media.dcd.uscourts.gov/Cases/Exhibit 2.MOV

Plus In his signed statement, pleading guilty, he admitted to entering the Capitol through a broken door and "was not lawfully authorized to enter or remain in the building". He admits multiple times in the statement that officers asked him and others leave the Capitol.

Why were the cops not arresting people that had kicked their asses? Good question. Regardless these guys are guilty of being in a place they shouldn't be in, they were in a group that was a violent mob, they didn't leave when told to, and their stated intent to disrupt transition of power, hurt members of congress, etc.

I'm sure some were just "millling" innocently, but Q Shaman doesn't fit that based on ALL footage.
You can see him at the end of this clip. The guy is harmeless.

 
There were tons of documentarians there. How? The same way every other news station knew to be there, and because Trump said "be there, be wild".
and yet no one seems to have thought to increase the security. Were the news stations in charge of security, and they didn't want to deep-six such a huge story? Please explain.
 
Tucker Carlson hadn't even aired anything when those 2 losers were crying about the video's being released.
Cuz everyone knew that he'd distort things for his base. The Dominion lawsuit brought documents proving that he intentionally lies and spreads misinfo/disinfo for clicks and views.
 
and yet no one seems to have thought to increase the security. Were the news stations in charge of security, and they didn't want to deep-six such a huge story? Please explain.
There've been shitloads of stories from MSM pointing the facts indicating that FBI, DHS, and Secret Service a) should've known what was coming, b) should've been more prepared, c) have just finger-pointed at each other during questions of accountability. Of course these organizations are in CYA mode.... it seems a whistle-blower or something needs to come forward with truth. That's why i think an investigation needs to be done.
 
They hired a freaking TV producer, they misrepresented Sen. Hawley, they didn't talk to many of the cops on the ground, they neglected the presence of the peaceful protesters, the list goes on and on. They made it out like this protest was as violent and damaging as the BLM and antifa riots, which it obviously wasn't. How did Pelosi's daughter know to be there and document that day? Why was the intel ignored? Any focus on that from that clown show? Why are Schumer and McConnel so against the video's being released? If those two are against it there is something dirty going on.

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There've been shitloads of stories from MSM pointing the facts indicating that FBI, DHS, and Secret Service a) should've known what was coming, b) should've been more prepared, c) have just finger-pointed at each other during questions of accountability. Of course these organizations are in CYA mode.... it seems a whistle-blower or something needs to come forward with truth. That's why i think an investigation needs to be done.
"That's why i think an investigation needs to be done."

there is an investigation. The question is why this area of concern hasn't been focused on.
 
They hired a TV producer to sensationalize the videos with added sound. Lol. That alone tells me that nothing the Jan 6 committee showed or said is worth listening to. If they were interested in "just the facts", they wouldn't have done that. So for me, it absolutely calls every single other thing they've shown or said into question.
 
They hired a TV producer to sensationalize the videos with added sound. Lol. That alone tells me that nothing the Jan 6 committee showed or said is worth listening to. If they were interested in "just the facts", they wouldn't have done that. So for me, it absolutely calls every single other thing they've shown or said into question.
some of us knew that before they even started, because we knew that there was an agenda to be carried out. I'd like to hear from those heckling us for having the common sense to know which way the wind is blowing. I'd like to hear from those who either knowingly or unwittingly swallowed the anti-Trump bait hook, line, and sinker. J6 hearings were pure dog and pony show.

Any who still think otherwise might want to have their gullibility mechanism recalibrated.
 
We agree that multiple things can be happening at once. Myself and others have repeatedly acknowledged that there were surely law breakers that day who needed to be arrested, charged and prosecuted. There are still many, many questions without good answers about that day. The bizarre part is how difficult it has been to get solid answers to much of this when it shouldn't be that difficult. This is always the issue when one paints any narrative and then tries to fit the information to that notion - and that applies to any narrative.

Here's the thing that the video shows. The real law breakers (and I'm not talking about people who walked around or technically entered a place they were not supposed to because they were not aware of it being improper) were apparently relatively small in number. The much, much larger number "were people just harmlessly milling about not doing much" to use your words.

Isn't this the very definition of "mostly peaceful protestors"?????

Breaking and entering is not peacefully protesting no matter what their behavior is. Especially if the intent was to disrupt the electoral college count. I'm not surprised Tucker tried to frame J6 the way he did, but very few are buying it. Including Senate Republicans.

Again, why are you excusing or downplaying the fact that they were inside the Capitol building in the first place? And what were they protesting? A lie being told to them by a man who couldn't accept losing. To me, that is what is most important here. I see endless excuses but it doesn't change the fact it should never have happened in the first place...except you won't hear that from those who still harbor beliefs that the election was stolen.
 
Instead you want everyone to believe a lie, and a lie that harms others like female athletes forced to compete against men and children forced to be subjected to twisted adults trying to promote gender dysphoria in them and bullying trans people trying to coerce others to go trans because it's cool, particularly girls with autism.

No. Nothing coming out of your mouth is factual. You, like so many of your idiotic, ignorant brethren try to twist who we are, what we represent, what we do and then use children as a shield while secretly sticking the sword in our backs with discriminatory laws. It's not about the children, it never was. It's not about the sanctity of female athletes. It never was. It's about control. It's about erasing people who don't fit the narrow box of 'biblical teaching' and what a man or woman should be, act, or look like.

I'll sneer at you and smear you all I want to. It's only a fraction of what you and your ilk have done to us.
 
No. Nothing coming out of your mouth is factual. You, like so many of your idiotic, ignorant brethren try to twist who we are, what we represent, what we do and then use children as a shield while secretly sticking the sword in our backs with discriminatory laws. It's not about the children, it never was. It's not about the sanctity of female athletes. It never was. It's about control. It's about erasing people who don't fit the narrow box of 'biblical teaching' and what a man or woman should be, act, or look like.

I'll sneer at you and smear you all I want to. It's only a fraction of what you and your ilk have done to us. Signed, Card Carrying Member of the Victomhood Union
 
Again, why are you excusing or downplaying the fact that they were inside the Capitol building in the first place? And what were they protesting? A lie being told to them by a man who couldn't accept losing.
I don't think putting things in perspective can be termed 'downplaying'. When something is vastly overblown (yeah, yeah, yeah; insurrection, overthrow the government, Trump actively inciting, protesters labeled as rioters, yada yada), providing some reality is only relatively downplaying, downplaying only in comparison to gross overstatement..
 
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