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carolinablue34 said:
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Don't tell me that these bills aren't an effort to target and dehumanize us. I will NOT be arrested for using the women's room just because someone under 18 also happens to be in there. I am NOT going to written out of the law and be defined solely by what's between my legs. And I'm going to wear feminine attire in public whether you like it or not.



Are you kidding? Are you just being purposefully stupid at this point? Calling trans people predators and groomers isn't designed to rile people up, get them angry, and turn them against us? Just like I'm sure using that language against gay people didn't get them killed or discriminated against either, right? Or women? or Black people? Or anyone who didn't fit the WASP ideals. You're so full of hatred, you don't even recognize it.



Because your links are lies. Your words are lies. Straight out of the fascist playbook. Your links are misleading, false, or deliberately twist data from legit studies to suit your ignorant narrative.



You're naive if you don't think there's a movement to completely get rid of trans people from public life and criminalize transition. Even for adults. A movement you facilitate.

Here's the bottom line: for the vast majority of people, sex defines their gender. It aligns. For a very small percentage it does not. You can't see chromosomes. But you can see a body, hear a voice, and perceive in public.

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Or do you really think this person is a woman simply because he has XY chromosomes? You want him in a women's room? lol
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Btw, yes, if he is female but has transitioned, he/she is still female. Absolutely. That's basic science.

Why can't you just accept people accepting you as you are? You equate sound reason based on sound, well-established science as bigotry.

Do you think a person can love you as they would love themselves if they think trans does not actually change gender?

Yes or no. Bigot or not?
 
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randman1 said:
If they'd just all vote overwhelmingly democrat, they'd still be doing here in the USA. As the Catholic vote became more Republican, that's when the dems and their allies stepped in on this issue. Should have been stopped a long time ago.
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Conservative mindsets are what allowed it to go on for centuries. "Maintain what has always been done"... that's their focus.
 
carolinablue34 said:
EXACTLY. What difference does it make? And yet under proposed laws in Florida and Arkansas, she could be arrested.

How is a law like that enforceable? You present an ID before going in? You get searched like at an airport? How about for people who are androgynous looking or are for the lack of a better term...ugly?

None of these bills are needed. It's a waste of time and effort.
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No. I get it, nobody knows. So that person would avoid ever being side-eyed AS LONG AS THEY DONT FEEL THE NEED TO RUN AROUND AND TELL PEOPLE THEYRE TRANS. In other words, if you want to pull it off, you better commit. Meaning, you’re not trans, you don’t support trans, you don’t talk about trans. You’re just a girl.
 
randman1 said:
Instead, you want to viciously exploit others and push your views on everyone else and create a legit, codified system of discrimination against anyone
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The full irony of this, the disconnect, is that's exactly what you are advocating for against trans people. And the rest of those lawmakers. And yet here you are, playing victim. How intriguing.
randman1 said:
gender is determined by your chromosomes, not your choices, and that's a fact.
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As I said, it does for most people. Not for a small percentage. Humanity does not work in absolutes.
 
randman1 said:
Even children understand males are stronger, faster and quicker on average than females. The best women's soccer/football team cannot even beat a very good club soccer team of 13-15 year old males, for example.
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I bet I know some women that could kick your ass. I bet I know some that HAVE kicked your ass.

That scenario you offered is also just your opinion. Like I said, I don't really give a shit how they determine who competes where and how. Maybe the human species can breed genetically stronger females during this process. It would be interesting to see human societies revert back to a Matriarchal rule!
 
strummingram said:
I bet I know some women that could kick your ass. I bet I know some that HAVE kicked your ass.

That scenario you offered is also just your opinion. Like I said, I don't really give a shit how they determine who competes where and how. Maybe the human species can breed genetically stronger females during this process. It would be interesting to see human societies revert back to a Matriarchal rule!
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Just my opinion. No, that's a fact. There are world cup, uber-elite women's soccer teams that intentionally play against elite 13-15 year old boy club teams.

The boys totally dominate them every time but it helps to train against superior talent.

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So ask yourself one thing: In all the post-broadcast ranting about the Tucker Carlson Menace — and let’s not kid ourselves, he may invade Poland at any moment — how many politicians and media figures have you heard specifically addressing Carlson’s three narrow fact claims about Chansley, Hawley, and Sicknick?

When someone makes specific claims, and the responses are not specific, the response is not a response. It’s chaff, and it’s meant to cloud the air.

How many times have we seen this maneuver? Q: You said the vaccines were 100% effective, and that everyone who gets them immediately becomes a dead end for the virus. Was that true? A: Ohh, I know that some people are ANTI-VAXXERS who DON’T BELIEVE IN SCIENCE, but I don’t have any patience for these CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

It’s topic-shifting, quite thinly disguised. Again:

When someone makes specific claims, and the responses are not specific, the response is not a response."

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Come to the Light, Little Buttercups

come to the light forever
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randman1 said:
Even children understand males are stronger, faster and quicker on average than females. The best women's soccer/football team cannot even beat a very good club soccer team of 13-15 year old males, for example.
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Yeah, I loved when the NWST got beat (badly) by the U15 FC Dallas development team. If that doesn’t show the difference between a man and a woman, I don’t know what does. You’re talking about supposedly the best women’s soccer team on the planet losing to 14 year old boys…from Dallas. This isn’t some all star team. Granted, those kids are bad ass soccer players. But certainly not the best at their age group in the country, let alone the world.
 
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gunslingerdick said:
Yeah, I loved when the NWST got beat (badly) by the U15 FC Dallas development team. If that doesn’t show the difference between a man and a woman, I don’t know what does. You’re talking about supposedly the best women’s soccer team on the planet losing to 14 year old boys…from Dallas. This isn’t some all star team. Granted, those kids are bad ass soccer players. But certainly not the best at their age group in the country, let alone the world.
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Yep. Anyone claiming to not grasp this is likely just lying. It's just a basic biological fact everyone learns from early on. Boys and men as a group are athletically more gifted, stronger, faster, quicker, more bone density, more lung capacity, etc,...than girls and women as a group.
 
randman1 said:
Just my opinion. No, that's a fact. There are world cup, uber-elite women's soccer teams that intentionally play against elite 13-15 year old boy club teams.

The boys totally dominate them every time but it helps to train against superior talent.

"
So ask yourself one thing: In all the post-broadcast ranting about the Tucker Carlson Menace — and let’s not kid ourselves, he may invade Poland at any moment — how many politicians and media figures have you heard specifically addressing Carlson’s three narrow fact claims about Chansley, Hawley, and Sicknick?

When someone makes specific claims, and the responses are not specific, the response is not a response. It’s chaff, and it’s meant to cloud the air.

How many times have we seen this maneuver? Q: You said the vaccines were 100% effective, and that everyone who gets them immediately becomes a dead end for the virus. Was that true? A: Ohh, I know that some people are ANTI-VAXXERS who DON’T BELIEVE IN SCIENCE, but I don’t have any patience for these CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

It’s topic-shifting, quite thinly disguised. Again:

When someone makes specific claims, and the responses are not specific, the response is not a response."

chrisbray.substack.com

Come to the Light, Little Buttercups

come to the light forever
chrisbray.substack.com chrisbray.substack.com
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"It’s topic-shifting, quite thinly disguised."

this is practiced here and elsewhere routinely. This was an especially apt explanation of the practice of avoiding head-on answers to what is presented and instead responding with slant and dogma. Here it's an annoyance, but when it's on some national stage, it's disgusting and disheartening to see the American public so casually disrespected and dismissed by those who we rely on to shelve their agendas and address issues directly and honestly.

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nctransplant said:
Don't expect a thoughtful answer. True story, 2 girls in school about 1.5 hrs from us identify as cats. Are they really cats?
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and to respond to them from a rational standpoint...if you want to think of yourself as a cat, feel free. But don't meow when I refuse to put a dish of milk out for you.

Note that I took the high road here.
 
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bluetoe said:
and to respond to them from a rational standpoint...if you want to think of yourself as a cat, feel free. But don't meow when I refuse to put a dish of milk out for you.

Note that I took the high road here.
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What’s the issue in just indulging Morris? I mean, does it hurt you to treat him as a cat? It’s not the hard to just put a litter box in the back of the classroom and let Morris relieve himself there. It’s about compassion. We probably need to think about putting cats in positions of power so we show that we are not erasing their existence.
 
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gunslingerdick said:
What’s the issue in just indulging Morris? I mean, does it hurt you to treat him as a cat? It’s not the hard to just put a litter box in the back of the classroom and let Morris relieve himself there. It’s about compassion. We probably need to think about putting cats in positions of power so we show that we are not erasing their existence.
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why Morris? Sexist.

I imagine sometime before Biden's term is up, Jill will be awarding one of those girls the 'Most Accomplished Kitty' award.
 
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gunslingerdick said:
What’s the issue in just indulging Morris? I mean, does it hurt you to treat him as a cat? It’s not the hard to just put a litter box in the back of the classroom and let Morris relieve himself there. It’s about compassion. We probably need to think about putting cats in positions of power so we show that we are not erasing their existence.
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Well the 2 cats are female cats sooooooo.
 
blazers said:
also @pooponduke

Tucker Carlson says "to this day there is dispute over how Chansley got into the capitol".
He's lying, per the .MOV file above.... talk to me about narrative.

And regarding the sworn statement which involves Q Shaman's confirmation of the events, it is here:
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plea deal. Justice system using the fear of prosecution (expense, prospect of being held in jail awaiting trial, etc.) to wrangle a guilty plea. I'm not going to say he didn't conduct himself as outlined, but I'm also not going to say he did.

FWIW, I imagine the actions outlined are essentially accurate, but we can't forget that his actions were painted as being much more violent and disruptive.

And if some are still disputing how Chansley got into the Capitol...and I can assure you that right or wrong they are...then TC didn't lie about that. If there are two sides to a story then it isn't wrong to SAY there are two sides, even though there is only one truth. Fair and balanced reporting presents all that IS known, and nothing that isn't.
 
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nctransplant said:
Don't expect a thoughtful answer. True story, 2 girls in school about 1.5 hrs from us identify as cats. Are they really cats?
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LOL being a "furry" is a thing, I've heard, in lots of places. For some reason even Beta O'Rourke somehow got tagged as being a furry, he was savaged on social media over it.
 
bluetoe said:
plea deal. Justice system using the fear of prosecution (expense, prospect of being held in jail awaiting trial, etc.) to wrangle a guilty plea. I'm not going to say he didn't conduct himself as outlined, but I'm also not going to say he did.
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^ This is taking stupidity and denial to the extreme.
 
bluetoe said:
plea deal. Justice system using the fear of prosecution (expense, prospect of being held in jail awaiting trial, etc.) to wrangle a guilty plea. I'm not going to say he didn't conduct himself as outlined, but I'm also not going to say he did.

FWIW, I imagine the actions outlined are essentially accurate, but we can't forget that his actions were painted as being much more violent and disruptive.

And if some are still disputing how Chansley got into the Capitol...and I can assure you that right or wrong they are...then TC didn't lie about that. If there are two sides to a story then it isn't wrong to SAY there are two sides, even though there is only one truth. Fair and balanced reporting presents all that IS known, and nothing that isn't.
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He never engaged in violence. Nor property damage. He was used as a prop and cruelly discarded.
 
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