OOTB's Political Thread . ..

[carolinablue34]

Well, insurance premiums have gone up. So the answer to that question is categorically yes. They've gone up $700 a year on average in the past 20 years (it's something like 6x the inflationary rate).

Is it because of trans people? Surely not most of it, but it without a doubt has an impact.

Let's look at the stats:

The sex reassignment industry was $1.9B in 2021, $2.1B in 2022 and it's expected to be $5B in 2030. There was a 15% rise in breast or chest procedures in trans people from 2019 to 2020.

You think insurance companies don't know these numbers?

Again, I don't agree with a government ban...but I certainly understand why some would want it and my reasoning is mostly because I do not have the ability to choose my insurance provider.

That's a small drop in the pool of billions of dollars that make up the medical industry. Which is why the argument from some of these nitwits that try to paint the trans medical community as a racket to get rich is laughable. Yes, some of the surgeries are expensive but we're such a small fraction of the population, it hardly makes a dent in people's premiums.

I think any law like that is unlikely to pass and would be struck down by a court as unconstitutional. But the fact that the Overton window has moved so much in the last couple of years is troubling to me. Make no mistake, this is not a noble effort to lower people's premiums, it's a targeted law aimed at us.

And more besides, do we not have more pressing issues to focus on than what trans people do or don't do with their bodies?

 

[randman1]

A lot of people can’t afford to. That’s the point. It saves lives. That’s the medical need.

It does not save lives. Quite the opposite actually.

 

[randman1]

What if the videos show the Capitol Police allowing the peaceful protestors in? Does that make it any better?

Bingo! Not just that but opening the doors and recruiting visitors.

 

[randman1]

Why do people not engaging in destructive behavior suddenly minimize those that did? Why do you seek to minimize what happened period? Why should they have been inside the building in the first place? Why should they have been protesting a lawful election at all?

This is what I don’t get from people who think J6 was no big deal, because it was.

1. They believe and the evidence shows the election was stolen. That's why they protested, and that's a legit reason to protest unlike the BLM riots.
2. They were let into the building by police and escorted around. Sure, some broke in prior to Trump ending his speech but that was mostly a federal operation led by federal assets and agents to disrupt the upcoming rally before it could happen.

3. What people wanted is simply to delay certification until the evidence could be reviewed which is a completely reasonable request.

4. Their behavior was far better than any democrat protest ever is.
5. The media only presented the one side of the Capitol which did break out into a dust-up with the police. They never explain how most people were invited, recruited and escorted around the Capitol via the other entrance. They didn't push their way in. The doors were opened to them from the inside.

Nor do they explain how and why some violence erupted at the other entrance, specifically that it involved overzealous police brutality including killing some non-violent and non-armed protestors.

Nor do they explain how the so-called insurrectionists stepped in to protect police and property, and that Antifa and federal assets were often the ones doing damage masquerading as Trump supporters.

 

[dadika13]

That's a small drop in the pool of billions of dollars that make up the medical industry. Which is why the argument from some of these nitwits that try to paint the trans medical community as a racket to get rich is laughable. Yes, some of the surgeries are expensive but we're such a small fraction of the population, it hardly makes a dent in people's premiums.

I think any law like that is unlikely to pass and would be struck down by a court as unconstitutional. But the fact that the Overton window has moved so much in the last couple of years is troubling to me. Make no mistake, this is not a noble effort to lower people's premiums, it's a targeted law aimed at us.

And more besides, do we not have more pressing issues to focus on than what trans people do or don't do with their bodies?

I don't think you can accurately say "it hardly makes a dent in people's premiums" when there are rising premiums and rising amounts of this surgery. Is it correlated? I believe some of it is...remember, risk up-cost up. It's the basic model since the beginning of insurance.

You're in a tough spot here. Think about it, if I'm saying I'd have to think twice if this was on my ballot then what do you think everyone to the right of me thinks. I'm one of the more socially liberal people on here. I don't have any issue with trans people at all, go live your life. You're not evil. Just don't make me pay more money because you want elective surgery.

This thing goes on a ballot and I'd think it would pass in all but the bluest of blue states. You're fortunate to live in one so it shouldn't impact you directly.

 

[dadika13]

1. They believe and the evidence shows the election was stolen. That's why they protested, and that's a legit reason to protest unlike the BLM riots.
2. They were let into the building by police and escorted around. Sure, some broke in prior to Trump ending his speech but that was mostly a federal operation led by federal assets and agents to disrupt the upcoming rally before it could happen.

3. What people wanted is simply to delay certification until the evidence could be reviewed which is a completely reasonable request.

4. Their behavior was far better than any democrat protest ever is.
5. The media only presented the one side of the Capitol which did break out into a dust-up with the police. They never explain how most people were invited, recruited and escorted around the Capitol via the other entrance. They didn't push their way in. The doors were opened to them from the inside.

Nor do they explain how and why some violence erupted at the other entrance, specifically that it involved overzealous police brutality including killing some non-violent and non-armed protestors.

Nor do they explain how the so-called insurrectionists stepped in to protect police and property, and that Antifa and federal assets were often the ones doing damage masquerading as Trump supporters.

I've never found a better use for this gif than right now...

 

[carolinablue34]

I don't think you can accurately say "it hardly makes a dent in people's premiums" when there are rising premiums and rising amounts of this surgery. Is it correlated? I believe some of it is...remember, risk up-cost up. It's the basic model since the beginning of insurance.

You're in a tough spot here. Think about it, if I'm saying I'd have to think twice if this was on my ballot then what do you think everyone to the right of me thinks. I'm one of the more socially liberal people on here. I don't have any issue with trans people at all, go live your life. You're not evil. Just don't make me pay more money because you want elective surgery.

This thing goes on a ballot and I'd think it would pass in all but the bluest of blue states. You're fortunate to live in one so it shouldn't impact you directly.

I think it's fairly accurate to say that trans people don't have an adverse effect on other people's premiums.

And that's the part the drives me up a wall sometimes. Come on, man. You know what this is. You're a smart guy. Is this really about insurance premiums or creating a narrative that I am evil? That's what all these hit pieces are about. "Trans people are grooming your kids" "Trans people are crazy" "Trans people are predators" "Trans people make your insurance go up." It's classic fear mongering.

There's no evidence to support this, and yet even you admit to thinking twice about whether or not to vote for a hypothetical ballot measure that would ban insurance companies from covering surgical and non surgical transitional treatments for people like me. That's likely not even legal.

What does that say about what's happening in the country right now?

 

[randman1]

I've never found a better use for this gif than right now...

I doubt many people really care about what you think is a good use of something or much of anything else.

 

[randman1]

Follow the money. It's easier to make a lot of money abusing children and patients than actually treating them correctly.

"
The authors of the aforementioned study point to Medicare’s decision in May 2014 to lift a coverage ban on transgender surgeries as the turning point in access to care, noting that the share of patients seeking gender-affirming procedures covered by Medicare or Medicaid increased from 25% in 2012-2013 to 70% in 2014. After Medicare and Medicaid started covering transgender surgeries, and after the implementation of the Affordable Care Act in 2010, private insurance companies followed suit.”

Taxpayers fund 70% of these surgeries thanks to Obama.

In 1981, Reagan banned billing taxpayers for this elective surgery. Between Obamacare and Medicare/Medicaid reimbursements, Obama and his administration produced a cottage industry "

Obama begat the tranny circus

Obamacare was a dud.

donsurber.substack.com

 

[Heels Noir]

how many would satisfy you? Is there an upper limit? None is what I prefer, but then I'm not a mindless anarchist bent on mayhem and destruction just for the sake of disrupting the status quo.

You know the type...they call the little skirmish at the Capitol an insurrection and an attempt to overthrow the governmentr while making excuses for the REAL malefaction. The worthless dregs, in other words.

Couldn't you see that I was merely making light of the article the overly melodramatic poopslinger posted to underscore the fact that these riots in Atlanta pale in comparison to January 6, Boy Blunder?
Scorecard:
ATLANTA: One officer injured, 35 "agitators" arrested
U.S. CAPITOL: 140 officers injured, 1000+ "insurrectionists" arrested

Leave it to a typical MAGAmoron to downplay the Capitol riot as a "little skirmish." Neither riot was justified, but for anyone to suggest they are the same in severity is absurd.

 

[strummingram]

Follow the money. It's easier to make a lot of money abusing children and patients than actually treating them correctly.

"
The authors of the aforementioned study point to Medicare’s decision in May 2014 to lift a coverage ban on transgender surgeries as the turning point in access to care, noting that the share of patients seeking gender-affirming procedures covered by Medicare or Medicaid increased from 25% in 2012-2013 to 70% in 2014. After Medicare and Medicaid started covering transgender surgeries, and after the implementation of the Affordable Care Act in 2010, private insurance companies followed suit.”

Taxpayers fund 70% of these surgeries thanks to Obama.

In 1981, Reagan banned billing taxpayers for this elective surgery. Between Obamacare and Medicare/Medicaid reimbursements, Obama and his administration produced a cottage industry "

Obama begat the tranny circus

Obamacare was a dud.

donsurber.substack.com

 

[randman1]

DARPA doc

"
For instance, Ivermectin (identified as curative in April 2020) works throughout all phases of illness because it both inhibits viral replication and modulates the immune response. Of note, chloroquine phosphate (Hydroxychloriquine, identified April 2020 as curative) is identified in the proposal as a SARSr-CoV inhibitor, as is interferon identified May 2020 as curative).

The gene-encoded, or mRNA, vaccines work poorly because they are synthetic replications of the already-synthetic SARSr-CoV-WIV spike proteins and possess no other epitopes. The mRNA instructs the cells to produce synthetic copies of the SARSr-CoV-WIV synthetic spike protein directly into the bloodstream, wherein they spread and produce the same ACE2 immune storm that the recombinant vaccine does. Many doctors in the country have identified that the symptoms of vaccine reactions mirror the symptoms of the disease, which corroborates with the similar synthetic nature and function of the respective spike proteins."

SARS- CoV-WIV

The renaming of SARS-CoV-2

rwmalonemd.substack.com

 

[strummingram]

DARPA doc

"
For instance, Ivermectin (identified as curative in April 2020) works throughout all phases of illness because it both inhibits viral replication and modulates the immune response. Of note, chloroquine phosphate (Hydroxychloriquine, identified April 2020 as curative) is identified in the proposal as a SARSr-CoV inhibitor, as is interferon identified May 2020 as curative).

The gene-encoded, or mRNA, vaccines work poorly because they are synthetic replications of the already-synthetic SARSr-CoV-WIV spike proteins and possess no other epitopes. The mRNA instructs the cells to produce synthetic copies of the SARSr-CoV-WIV synthetic spike protein directly into the bloodstream, wherein they spread and produce the same ACE2 immune storm that the recombinant vaccine does. Many doctors in the country have identified that the symptoms of vaccine reactions mirror the symptoms of the disease, which corroborates with the similar synthetic nature and function of the respective spike proteins."

SARS- CoV-WIV

The renaming of SARS-CoV-2

rwmalonemd.substack.com

Sub-quack is hauling-in the big bucks!

 

[dadika13]

I doubt many people really care about what you think is a good use of something or much of anything else.

Ah yes - we can't all scour the deep Q sections of the internet to find material.

Today's the anniversary of the Dred Scott decision - how are you celebrating?

 

[randman1]

Couldn't you see that I was merely making light of the article the overly melodramatic poopslinger posted to underscore the fact that these riots in Atlanta pale in comparison to January 6, Boy Blunder?
Scorecard:
ATLANTA: One officer injured, 35 "agitators" arrested
U.S. CAPITOL: 140 officers injured, 1000+ "insurrectionists" arrested

Leave it to a typical MAGAmoron to downplay the Capitol riot as a "little skirmish." Neither riot was justified, but for anyone to suggest they are the same in severity is absurd.

LOL. Um, arrests due to politics mean nothing. Very few arrests on Jan 6th. Now it's just trumped up BS to further a narrative.

Most officers were "injured" actually by zealous fellow officers releasing gas bombs without paying attention to which way the weather was blowing. You can see that on video. You can also see police turning their backs on the crowd walking slowly without a concern for their protection, and yet the crowd was somehow bent on harming them?
Violent incidents were preceded by heavy-handed police tactics towards non-violent people in the crowd, unprovoked, on one side of the Capitol. The video proves that as well.

 

[randman1]

Ah yes - we can't all scour the deep Q sections of the internet to find material.

Today's the anniversary of the Dred Scott decision - how are you celebrating?

You mean government video? That's now Q stuff, or other video of what happened? You really seem like a piece of work to describe evidence like that as a Q conspiracy.

 

[dadika13]

You mean government video? That's now Q stuff, or other video of what happened? You really seem like a piece of work to describe evidence like that as a Q conspiracy.

You didn't answer about Dred Scott.

 

[pooponduke]

The federal government? No.

Ok, got it. Your position is that if someone or something only attacks at the state or local levels, it doesn't count as attacking government. Keep enjoying that bubble.

 

[strummingram]

Ah yes - we can't all scour the deep Q sections of the internet to find material.

Today's the anniversary of the Dred Scott decision - how are you celebrating?

On March 6, 1857, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Dred Scott in a 7–2 decision that fills over 200 pages in the United States Reports.[17] The decision contains opinions from all nine justices, but the "majority opinion" has always been the focus of the controversy.[40]


The question is simply this: Can a negro, whose ancestors were imported into this country, and sold as slaves, become a member of the political community formed and brought into existence by the Constitution of the United States, and as such become entitled to all of the rights, and privileges, and immunities, guarantied [sic] by that instrument to the citizen?

We think ... that they [black people] are not included, and were not intended to be included, under the word "citizens" in the Constitution, and can therefore claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States. On the contrary, they were at that time [of America's founding] considered as a subordinate and inferior class of beings who had been subjugated by the dominant race, and, whether emancipated or not, yet remained subject to their authority, and had no rights or privileges but such as those who held the power and the Government might choose to grant them.

 

[strummingram]

You didn't answer about Dred Scott.

I think it's pretty awesome that people can look at the exact same thing and have totally different explanations of exactly what they're seeing.

 

[dadika13]

On March 6, 1857, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled against Dred Scott in a 7–2 decision that fills over 200 pages in the United States Reports.[17] The decision contains opinions from all nine justices, but the "majority opinion" has always been the focus of the controversy.[40]


The question is simply this: Can a negro, whose ancestors were imported into this country, and sold as slaves, become a member of the political community formed and brought into existence by the Constitution of the United States, and as such become entitled to all of the rights, and privileges, and immunities, guarantied [sic] by that instrument to the citizen?

We think ... that they [black people] are not included, and were not intended to be included, under the word "citizens" in the Constitution, and can therefore claim none of the rights and privileges which that instrument provides for and secures to citizens of the United States. On the contrary, they were at that time [of America's founding] considered as a subordinate and inferior class of beings who had been subjugated by the dominant race, and, whether emancipated or not, yet remained subject to their authority, and had no rights or privileges but such as those who held the power and the Government might choose to grant them.

That's NSFW material for @randman1 , he reads Roger Taney themed smut novels.

 

[strummingram]

That's NSFW material for @randman1 , he reads Roger Taney themed smut novels.

Taney is mounted over the mantle next to Jesus and Billy Graham... and Alex Jones... and Robert E. Lee!

 

[pooponduke]

If anyone cares, and I know that this will be unpopular with some due to the network and host, according to an article I saw, tonight at 8:00 pm, Tucker Carlson will start releasing the video to which he has been granted access related to the J6 stuff.

It'll be good to finally start to get the rest of the stuff out there, regardless of what Tucker does. This is the first step in that process.

 

[gunslingerdick]

If anyone cares, and I know that this will be unpopular with some due to the network and host, according to an article I saw, tonight at 8:00 pm, Tucker Carlson will start releasing the video to which he has been granted access related to the J6 stuff.

It'll be good to finally start to get the rest of the stuff out there, regardless of what Tucker does. This is the first step in that process.

I won’t watch but I look forward to the fallout.

ETA: @dadika13

 

[gunslingerdick]

Oh good lord. It’s no longer good enough to force everyone to go along with the fantasy, now those folks are stumping for other people to pay for elective surgeries to validate their mental illness.

Just….wow.

What’s next, black folks asking for days off of work to deal with the grief they have from systemic racism?

Oh, don’t look now.

Professor urges bereavement leave for black educators to process racism trauma

A visiting professor at Southern Illinois University is advocating for schools to provide bereavement leave to allow black faculty time to grieve and process trauma following triggering racist news…

nypost.com

ETA: @dadika13

 

[carolinablue34]

Oh good lord. It’s no longer good enough to force everyone to go along with the fantasy, now those folks are stumping for other people to pay for elective surgeries to validate their mental illness.

Just….wow.

That's not what's happening but I wouldn't expect you to actually be a honest about something you're explicitly bigoted against and are just in a general a complete f**king idiot about.

No one is paying for surgeries except for the people who desire them and maybe an insurance company might cover part of it aka a private company in the private sector.

 

[gunslingerdick]

That's not what's happening but I wouldn't expect you to actually be a honest about something you're explicitly bigoted against and are just in a general a complete f**king idiot about.

No one is paying for surgeries except for the people who desire them and maybe an insurance company might cover part of it aka a private company in the private sector.

I'll chip in for some psychological therapy though. This is a crisis and I'm willing to do my part to help all those folks get the treatment they so badly need.

ETA: I keep forgetting to tag you @dadika13 . That's a my B.

 

[carolinablue34]

I'll chip in for some psychological therapy though. This is a crisis and I'm willing to do my part to help all those folks get the treatment they so badly need.

You could hook me up to jumper cables and electrocute me for hours on end. You could throw me in a Christian conversion therapy camp. You could drive an icepick through my skull. It wouldn't change what I am and other trans people are and it wouldn't give you the result you so desperately want.

 

[bluetoe]

Come on, man. You know what this is. You're a smart guy. Is this really about insurance premiums or creating a narrative that I am evil? That's what all these hit pieces are about.

​

Psychology Today​

​

"How do I spot a narcissist?​

Narcissism is characterized by a grandiose sense of self-importance, a lack of empathy for others, a need for excessive admiration, and the belief that one is unique and deserving of special treatment. If you encounter someone who consistently exhibits these behaviors, you may be dealing with a highly narcissistic individual."

^^^^^ what we got here is a classic narcissist.

 

[carolinablue34]

​

Psychology Today​

​

"How do I spot a narcissist?​

Narcissism is characterized by a grandiose sense of self-importance, a lack of empathy for others, a need for excessive admiration, and the belief that one is unique and deserving of special treatment. If you encounter someone who consistently exhibits these behaviors, you may be dealing with a highly narcissistic individual."

^^^^^ what we got here is a classic narcissist.

Tell me you know nothing about narcissism or mental health without telling me you know nothing about narcissism or mental health.

 

[gunslingerdick]

You could hook me up to jumper cables and electrocute me for hours on end. You could throw me in a Christian conversion therapy camp. You could drive an icepick through my skull. It wouldn't change what I am and other trans people are and it wouldn't give you the result you so desperately want.

I don't want to do any of that stuff. It would hurt you. I'm trying to help you, silly. No shock therapy and I wouldn't come at it from a Christian angle although that probably would do you some good. I just think people suffering from gender dysphoria need to discuss the root of their issues through exploration with a trained professional. You know, like how we used to treat the disorder.

But to the larger point, we as a society should get back to viewing the disorder for what it is - a mental disorder like many other mental disorders. Stop with absurdity that "you can be whatever suits the fantasy in your brain". We don't let schizophrenics or people suffering from multiple personality disorder do the same thing. Why would we view this differently?

ETA: @dadika13

 

[bluetoe]

Tell me you know nothing about narcissism or mental health without telling me you know nothing about narcissism or mental health.

I know how to link to a respected source that describes your narcissism. If you walk like a narcissist and talk like a narcissist and make it all about you like a narcissist...chances are great that you are in fact a narcissist.

You really do make everything about you. I could be electrocuted with jumper cables and thrown into a Christian conversion therapy camp and you would manage to whine about how that means they are all focused on you.

The linked article told me how to spot you. I did. Deal with it.

 

[carolinablue34]

I don't want to do any of that stuff. It would hurt you. I'm trying to help you, silly. No shock therapy and I wouldn't come at it from a Christian angle although that probably would do you some good. I just think people suffering from gender dysphoria need to discuss the root of their issues through exploration with a trained professional. You know, like how we used to treat the disorder.

Perhaps there truly is a part of you actually does feel like you're doing some good in believing that gender dysphoria can be 'cured' by talking to a professional. But that's where we part ways.

Speaking from experience, it doesn't work like that. People thought the same thing about homosexuality.

 

[bluetoe]

I don't want to do any of that stuff. It would hurt you. I'm trying to help you, silly. No shock therapy and I wouldn't come at it from a Christian angle although that probably would do you some good. I just think people suffering from gender dysphoria need to discuss the root of their issues through exploration with a trained professional. You know, like how we used to treat the disorder.

But to the larger point, we as a society should get back to viewing the disorder for what it is - a mental disorder like many other mental disorders. Stop with absurdity that "you can be whatever suits the fantasy in your brain". We don't let schizophrenics or people suffering from multiple personality disorder do the same thing. Why would we view this differently?

ETA: @dadika13

I'm beginning to understand that the transgender ploy is nothing more than narcissistic attention seeking. We should probably stop rewarding CB34 with the attention he/she seeks, but gotdang he is one mesmerizing SOB. As many narcissists are.

I said in a previous post to him that he was going to be a tough nut to crack, and you didn't think that deserved a like. C'mon man. You of all people passed on that gem? Sometimes I wonder why I bother.

 

[carolinablue34]

I'm beginning to understand that the transgender ploy is nothing more than narcissistic attention seeking. We should probably stop rewarding CB34 with the attention he/she seeks, but gotdang he is one mesmerizing SOB. As many narcissists are.

I said in a previous post to him that he was going to be a tough nut to crack, and you didn't think that deserved a like. C'mon man. You of all people passed on that gem? Sometimes I wonder why I bother.

Yeah, you're a bigger piece of shit than I thought. Stay frosty, pal.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Nor do they explain how the so-called insurrectionists stepped in to protect police and property, and that Antifa and federal assets were often the ones doing damage masquerading as Trump supporters.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Perhaps there truly is a part of you actually does feel like you're doing some good in believing that gender dysphoria can be 'cured' by talking to a professional. But that's where we part ways.

Speaking from experience, it doesn't work like that. People thought the same thing about homosexuality.

What you say may be true. Some disorders simply can’t be cured and I’m truly sorry for that. Therapy and medication would help those suffering manage it.

But again, the bigger issue is how our society looks it. It is not courageous. Or, no more so than anyone battling any mental disorder. You are not a minority in the same sense that blacks or Asians are. When we talk of inclusiveness, transgenderism should not be considered. The fact that Biden put a mentally unstable person in the position of Secretary of Health is ridiculous. Her/his own mental health is called into question and we’re supporting him/her in that position. If she/he thinks she/he is something she/he isn’t, then what assurances do any of us have that the rest of her/his mental faculties are in order.

We should not discuss it with children. At all. I’m not even in favor of discussing it in high school. You want to learn about it? Be a psych major in college and you learn all about all kinds of mental disorders. If a child is indicating they feel like the opposite sex, they need immediate treatment. And we should never suggest that it’s ok for them to feel that way.

Again, I mean you or anyone like no harm. That is until you start promoting the way you are and trying to obtain normalcy from it. It is not. It should not be.

That’s where I land.

 

[bleeduncblue]

What you say may be true. Some disorders simply can’t be cured and I’m truly sorry for that. Therapy and medication would help those suffering manage it.

But again, the bigger issue is how our society looks it. It is not courageous. Or, no more so than anyone battling any mental disorder. You are not a minority in the same sense that blacks or Asians are. When we talk of inclusiveness, transgenderism should not be considered. The fact that Biden put a mentally unstable person in the position of Secretary of Health is ridiculous. Her/his own mental health is called into question and we’re supporting him/her in that position. If she/he thinks she/he is something she/he isn’t, then what assurances do any of us have that the rest of her/his mental faculties are in order.

We should not discuss it with children. At all. I’m not even in favor of discussing it in high school. You want to learn about it? Be a psych major in college and you learn all about all kinds of mental disorders. If a child is indicating they feel like the opposite sex, they need immediate treatment. And we should never suggest that it’s ok for them to feel that way.

Again, I mean you or anyone like no harm. That is until you start promoting the way you are and trying to obtain normalcy from it. It is not. It should not be.

That’s where I land.

awesome. 10000% awesome.

 

[carolinablue34]

What you say may be true. Some disorders simply can’t be cured and I’m truly sorry for that. Therapy and medication would help those suffering manage it.

But again, the bigger issue is how our society looks it. It is not courageous. Or, no more so than anyone battling any mental disorder. You are not a minority in the same sense that blacks or Asians are. When we talk of inclusiveness, transgenderism should not be considered. The fact that Biden put a mentally unstable person in the position of Secretary of Health is ridiculous. Her/his own mental health is called into question and we’re supporting him/her in that position. If she/he thinks she/he is something she/he isn’t, then what assurances do any of us have that the rest of her/his mental faculties are in order.

We should not discuss it with children. At all. I’m not even in favor of discussing it in high school. You want to learn about it? Be a psych major in college and you learn all about all kinds of mental disorders. If a child is indicating they feel like the opposite sex, they need immediate treatment. And we should never suggest that it’s ok for them to feel that way.

Again, I mean you or anyone like no harm. That is until you start promoting the way you are and trying to obtain normalcy from it. It is not. It should not be.

That’s where I land.

Well that's pretty much where the crux of our own vociferous disagreement begins and ends: that we are mentally ill and somehow not stable because of it.

People have used the excuse of mental illness to disregard or discredit many things: including gay people and women who disobeyed their husbands. We later understood that had nothing to do with it. It's the same thing here. There is a recorded history of individuals who do not conform to traditional gender ideals and even presented as the opposite sex. It's not something that came out of nowhere in the post modern world. Biden may have wanted a diversity pick, but we shouldn't judge her because she's trans that makes her mentally unfit, it's how she's performed at the job.

Now as for children, I don't believe in gender studies crash course in elementary school which serves no practical purpose. Let them have the space to figure things out. Let them just be. No one should assumed to be trans simply because a girl likes masculine things or a boy likes feminine things. But if there is vocalized desire to be the other gender, shaming and telling them that's not okay, is absolutely the wrong way to go. Kindness, patience, and taking them to a licensed therapist are the proper steps.

I think a lot of people are under the mistaken belief you can simply create an environment where being trans, gay, bi, etc. can just be socially eliminated from existence, which isn't true. I was raised in the most normal household imaginable. Didn't know what a trans person was until much later in life. Made no difference.

Lastly, I'm not special or brave for simply being myself. I only want to live my life free from legalized discrimination and do as I see fit without interference from the state. I'm not in the business of promoting anything. But if you consider working towards social acceptance 'promoting' than I guess we differ there too.

I don't wish any harm on you either despite the nasty shit we say to each other on a near daily basis. The issue hits real close to home for me. But I think a lot of people on this board misunderstand what being trans is and because of that, they react fearfully and negatively.

That's where I land. God bless.

 

[strummingram]

It's like he might really be appalled that the Capitol was vandalized and desecrated... but, he can't accept that Trump supporters would actually do that, so he invents a scapegoat (Antifa, the CIA, the Seven Dwarfs, whoever) as being the ones that actually perpetrated the destruction.