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Um….let’s review the people you’ve proclaimed guilty based on accusations without due process

Hunter biden
Fauci
Numerous election officials
Hospital administrators
Vaccine developers
Capitol police
Pelosi
Various news orgs
Trans people
Jan 6 conspirators’ prison guards

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Based on clear evidence actually.
 
@Heels Noir said...

'It's okay, I didn't really expect you to provide a thoughtful or legitimate answer. It was more of a rhetorical question'

^^^^ expects answer to his rhetorical question, LOL.

Idiot. Get your GED.
 
If a grand jury agreed to indict then there is clearly "smoke".
You keep making this reference that an indictment is proof that orange did something illegal or there would be no indictment.

This "clearly" only demonstrates your lack of knowledge about the indictment process and the power of the prosecution. There are no rules of evidence as they can present virtually anything in any form without objection. There is no representation or presentation of the target/defendant. They are not present in any form. That is, the "jury" only hears and sees exactly what the prosecution wants them to hear and see.

The end result is that the process is essentially a sham because the prosecution gets what they want as they have total control, so it depends on the integrity of those presenting the so-called evidence and the explanation of what is or isn't a crime. There are reasons behind the adage that a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich if that's what you wanted.

The only clear smoke here is that Bragg wanted to indict Trump. The mere fact that he hasn't or can't name the second crime that Trump allegedly committed despite 34 counts in the indictment is a huge red flag. The interesting part is what impact this will have on Bragg, Trump, the nomination process and the general election. As I noted in another post, I'm not at all certain what they think will happen, but the end result is likely to be different from what they believe.
 
You keep making this reference that an indictment is proof that orange did something illegal or there would be no indictment.

This "clearly" only demonstrates your lack of knowledge about the indictment process and the power of the prosecution.
Smoke just means something happened, it doesn't mean it was a felony-worthy conflagration, or a misdemeanor-worthy spark. You want to find the potential fire to handle or clean-up after it though. The evidence seen so far at least looks like a misdemeanor, and there is potential it is election-related. Nobody is above the law, even white-collar misdemeanors.
 
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Smoke just means something happened, it doesn't mean it was a felony-worthy conflagration, or a misdemeanor-worthy spark. You want to find the potential fire to handle or clean-up after it though. The evidence seen so far at least looks like a misdemeanor, and there is potential it is election-related. Nobody is above the law, even white-collar misdemeanors.
I mentioned before that the dedication was impressive.

"Smoke just means something happened. . . ." We agree. The next part is what you desperately desire and where we diverge. The smoke here is Bragg's actions. Whether the donald did or did not do anything has yet to be laid out, but even your own pals at places like the NYT are not optimistic. We've been down this road before with the general, catch phrase slogans such as "Nobody is above the law" so you'll have to forgive me if I don't bite into it before there is something demonstrated besides yet another nothing burger. None of that means that he isn't a slimy NY businessman/real estate developer with less morals than what we would like. In the meantime, just stop pushing that an indictment means that trump is guilty of something.
 
None of that means that he isn't a slimy NY businessman/real estate developer with less morals than what we would like.
Slimy low-moral businessmen should pay penalties when they break laws in hopes that they'll stop being slimy.
In the meantime, just stop pushing that an indictment means that trump is guilty of something.
It means he's likely guilty of at least the misdemeanor, and there is enough evidence of that to at least put out the fire/clean-up.
 
Slimy low-moral businessmen should pay penalties when they break laws in hopes that they'll stop being slimy.
I agree that all laws shouldn't be broken and that a price should be paid by those who do that for whatever reason. Being or not being slimy though seems more like a subjective personal choice that shouldn't be addressed by any law. More to the current point, ONE businessman shouldn't be singled out for having committed a misdemeanor for whatever reason that a thousand others commit routinely.

If you want an example of a singular crime that should be punished, and one that is not routinely committed, try the crime of destroying (or causing to be destroyed) subpoenaed records.

But what about Hillary?

Interesting similarities, different results.
 
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I'm sure you're aware, blazers, but we're wasting our time with these idiots. These crotch remoras have such firm suction on the Donald's private parts that I doubt they will ever let go.

We can try until we're blue in the face to civilize them, but @pooponduke, @bluetoe, @nctransplant, @gunslingerdick, and the like will never be enlightened enough to understand the truth. What a way to go through life, being such a laughingstock. :(

Still, we do get enjoyment from the light workout, delivering jabs and uppercuts to these soft punching bags. And I have to admit, it has been fun gloating over the 2020 and 2022 election results. I can hardly wait for 2024!
"What a way to go through life, being such a laughingstock. :("

no comment necessary.
 
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Slimy low-moral businessmen should pay penalties when they break laws in hopes that they'll stop being slimy.

It means he's likely guilty of at least the misdemeanor, and there is enough evidence of that to at least put out the fire/clean-up.
You just can't bring yourself to acknowledge that your predetermined conclusions on this are driven by your skewed perspective.

Wouldn't it just be easier to respond to everything by typing:

Pee Tapes or

Russia, Russia, Russia?

Like most politicians, he's likely guilty of something, but this proceeding is honestly a jump across the grand canyon of theories. Are you not at all concerned about the gloves being off and what this means for everyone down the road, regardless of party?
 
I know some won't approve of the source, but it's not something I'd expect WaPo to run on their front page.


Some selected portions:

The government admitted Tuesday that eight FBI confidential human sources were embedded among the Proud Boys on Jan. 6, Roots reported in a Wednesday court filing, saying the Homeland Security Investigations (HIS) agency appears to have had some 19 informants active at the time.
. . .
"At least 13 undercover plain-clothes DC Metro Police (MPD) agents worked among Jan. 6 defendants that day, Roots said. He reported that federal prosecutors revealed information involving twelve of the officers on Friday.
. . .
“Some of these undercover Metro officers marched with the Proud Boy march,” Roots said. “And some appear to have played roles of instigators, in that they are seen on body-worn videos chanting ‘Go! Go!,’ ‘Stop the Steal!,’ and ‘Whose house? Our house!’ on Jan. 6. Others generally followed demonstrators toward the Capitol.”
. . .
“When added to the 8 FBI CHSs now acknowledged by the prosecutors, this means that there were at least 40 undercover informants or agents doing surveillance among defendants on January 6,” he concluded.


Which all circles back to the question of, with all that information and inside knowledge, how could all this have happened?
 
I know some won't approve of the source, but it's not something I'd expect WaPo to run on their front page.


Some selected portions:

The government admitted Tuesday that eight FBI confidential human sources were embedded among the Proud Boys on Jan. 6, Roots reported in a Wednesday court filing, saying the Homeland Security Investigations (HIS) agency appears to have had some 19 informants active at the time.
. . .
"At least 13 undercover plain-clothes DC Metro Police (MPD) agents worked among Jan. 6 defendants that day, Roots said. He reported that federal prosecutors revealed information involving twelve of the officers on Friday.
. . .
“Some of these undercover Metro officers marched with the Proud Boy march,” Roots said. “And some appear to have played roles of instigators, in that they are seen on body-worn videos chanting ‘Go! Go!,’ ‘Stop the Steal!,’ and ‘Whose house? Our house!’ on Jan. 6. Others generally followed demonstrators toward the Capitol.”
. . .
“When added to the 8 FBI CHSs now acknowledged by the prosecutors, this means that there were at least 40 undercover informants or agents doing surveillance among defendants on January 6,” he concluded.


Which all circles back to the question of, with all that information and inside knowledge, how could all this have happened?
#shockedface
J6 was a mostly inside job. Prove me wrong
 
I know some won't approve of the source, but it's not something I'd expect WaPo to run on their front page.


Some selected portions:

The government admitted Tuesday that eight FBI confidential human sources were embedded among the Proud Boys on Jan. 6, Roots reported in a Wednesday court filing, saying the Homeland Security Investigations (HIS) agency appears to have had some 19 informants active at the time.
. . .
"At least 13 undercover plain-clothes DC Metro Police (MPD) agents worked among Jan. 6 defendants that day, Roots said. He reported that federal prosecutors revealed information involving twelve of the officers on Friday.
. . .
“Some of these undercover Metro officers marched with the Proud Boy march,” Roots said. “And some appear to have played roles of instigators, in that they are seen on body-worn videos chanting ‘Go! Go!,’ ‘Stop the Steal!,’ and ‘Whose house? Our house!’ on Jan. 6. Others generally followed demonstrators toward the Capitol.”
. . .
“When added to the 8 FBI CHSs now acknowledged by the prosecutors, this means that there were at least 40 undercover informants or agents doing surveillance among defendants on January 6,” he concluded.


Which all circles back to the question of, with all that information and inside knowledge, how could all this have happened?
and might I add.....yes, @prlyles, I actually believe this.
 
I know some won't approve of the source, but it's not something I'd expect WaPo to run on their front page.


Some selected portions:

The government admitted Tuesday that eight FBI confidential human sources were embedded among the Proud Boys on Jan. 6, Roots reported in a Wednesday court filing, saying the Homeland Security Investigations (HIS) agency appears to have had some 19 informants active at the time.
. . .
"At least 13 undercover plain-clothes DC Metro Police (MPD) agents worked among Jan. 6 defendants that day, Roots said. He reported that federal prosecutors revealed information involving twelve of the officers on Friday.
. . .
“Some of these undercover Metro officers marched with the Proud Boy march,” Roots said. “And some appear to have played roles of instigators, in that they are seen on body-worn videos chanting ‘Go! Go!,’ ‘Stop the Steal!,’ and ‘Whose house? Our house!’ on Jan. 6. Others generally followed demonstrators toward the Capitol.”
. . .
“When added to the 8 FBI CHSs now acknowledged by the prosecutors, this means that there were at least 40 undercover informants or agents doing surveillance among defendants on January 6,” he concluded.


Which all circles back to the question of, with all that information and inside knowledge, how could all this have happened?
sorry, this didn't happen. Because @prlyles said it didn't, or at least he scoffed at my saying that it did. He said...

" Damn,man you really believe this shit…"

So, no way there's anything to this, because otherwise his snarky comment would be off-target and foolish. I know he will chime in to verify.
 
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Are you not at all concerned about the gloves being off and what this means for everyone down the road, regardless of party?
No, **** all politicians. Our political system is full of corruption. Limit campaign finance, do term limits, ranked choice voting, and hold people accountable for crimes ESPECIALLY if they are the ones leading branches of our gov.
 
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Which all circles back to the question of, with all that information and inside knowledge, how could all this have happened?
100%. It is fascinating that various branches could have people in the crowd but were so poorly prepared for a bull-rush at the barriers and doors.
 
“When added to the 8 FBI CHSs now acknowledged by the prosecutors, this means that there were at least 40 undercover informants or agents doing surveillance among defendants on January 6,” he concluded.
40 is nothing though.

AP reported here that there were at least 10,000 protesters at the speeches about that day. Trump was mad that reports weren't higher.

- 8 fbi were attached to the hate group known as proud boys. Makes sense.
- DC Metro Police had at least 13 undercover plain-clothes. Hello crowd monitoring, also makes sense.
- 19 HSI (Homeland Security Investigations). One of HSI's divisions is "to identify, disrupt and dismantle national security threats, terrorist organizations and hostile foreign intelligence entities". Makes sense that you'd have these people monitoring Oath Keepers, Proud Boys, Boogaloo Bois, and White Nationalists groups (Nick Fuentes and all his crew were there) and other groups no matter where they go. Charlottesville probably had similar.

I mean, there have been almost ONE THOUSAND arrests. See here
1/3rd of those were charged with assaulting, resisting or impeding police. Sorry, but 40 people didn't mind-control 300+ people into get violent with cops.
 
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Not all judges are flaming libs paid for by Soros. If anything in this country more judges lean conservative, the Federalist Society has done a good job. There a bunch of judges seeing these cases and they've been appointed by everyone from Reagan to Biden on bosides.

So even conservative judges are reviewing these J6 cases:
  • Number of people charged, federal: 994
  • Number of people charged, D.C.: 24
  • Number of people who have pleaded guilty: 541
  • Number of individuals who have had jury or bench trials: 67
  • The number convicted on all charges: 42
  • The number acquitted on all charges: 1
  • The number with mixed verdicts: 24
  • Number of people sentenced: 445
  • The percentage of people sentenced who have received prison time: 58
  • The median sentence for those who received prison time, in days: 60
  • The prison sentence range: 7 days to 10 years
  • The number of cases dismissed: 5 federal; 8 D.C. Superior Court Total 13
Despite defendants working hard, prosecutors have all the video evidence from body-cams, building cams and social media (personal cell phones), and Judges are finding people guilty.
 
I know some won't approve of the source, but it's not something I'd expect WaPo to run on their front page.


Some selected portions:

The government admitted Tuesday that eight FBI confidential human sources were embedded among the Proud Boys on Jan. 6, Roots reported in a Wednesday court filing, saying the Homeland Security Investigations (HIS) agency appears to have had some 19 informants active at the time.
. . .
"At least 13 undercover plain-clothes DC Metro Police (MPD) agents worked among Jan. 6 defendants that day, Roots said. He reported that federal prosecutors revealed information involving twelve of the officers on Friday.
. . .
“Some of these undercover Metro officers marched with the Proud Boy march,” Roots said. “And some appear to have played roles of instigators, in that they are seen on body-worn videos chanting ‘Go! Go!,’ ‘Stop the Steal!,’ and ‘Whose house? Our house!’ on Jan. 6. Others generally followed demonstrators toward the Capitol.”
. . .
“When added to the 8 FBI CHSs now acknowledged by the prosecutors, this means that there were at least 40 undercover informants or agents doing surveillance among defendants on January 6,” he concluded.


Which all circles back to the question of, with all that information and inside knowledge, how could all this have happened?
Tbh if they didn’t have surveillance in all audiences of all presidents public appearances they wouldn’t be doing their job.
 
Tbh if they didn’t have surveillance in all audiences of all presidents public appearances they wouldn’t be doing their job.
this wasn't an audience of the president or former president, but your point is taken. I guess if you substitute 'Congress' for president, it is a valid point.
 
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Good to see you are still relying on those solid reports from a comedy show for your news.


Sadly, the way she acted (not content, mind you) is exactly how I envision several of our resident posters dealing with their tds and their constant disappointment related thereto.
GEORGE SOROS!!!

Its not a "report" at all. It's satire. They're ridiculing the propaganda that you trust as being "solid reports." FoxNews is propaganda... that's all. There is no "news", okay. It's just a bunch of bullshit propaganda. I definitely enjoy the satire.
 
GEORGE SOROS!!!

Its not a "report" at all. It's satire. They're ridiculing the propaganda that you trust as being "solid reports." FoxNews is propaganda... that's all. There is no "news", okay. It's just a bunch of bullshit propaganda. I definitely enjoy the satire.
Yeah, I know. Fox news is propaganda and you know this as the self avowed person who doesn't watch the news (which would include Fox btw) but gets his info from YouTube with a particular emphasis on comedy central clips and they've told you it's propaganda.

So we should get our news maybe from things like the AP article that Blaze linked earlier? It included things like this gem: "Dozens of officers were wounded, some gravely." That would be a complete fail and lie. All news carries it's slant and Fox is no better or worse than the rest of them. If you can't see or admit that and start applying your own filter, you are either ill informed by your little comedy shorts or playing ostrich.
 
Yeah, I know. Fox news is propaganda and you know this as the self avowed person who doesn't watch the news (which would include Fox btw) but gets his info from YouTube with a particular emphasis on comedy central clips and they've told you it's propaganda.

So we should get our news maybe from things like the AP article that Blaze linked earlier? It included things like this gem: "Dozens of officers were wounded, some gravely." That would be a complete fail and lie. All news carries it's slant and Fox is no better or worse than the rest of them. If you can't see or admit that and start applying your own filter, you are either ill informed by your little comedy shorts or playing ostrich.
I don't care where you, or anyone else, get your "news." And, the notion that you believe that you're somehow "informed" by consuming any of this propaganda is hilarious, to me. I'm perfectly content to enjoy the satire. No one "told me" any of it was propaganda. When you're detached from all of it, and have no vested interest, or trust, in any of it, and you see it objectively, then the "slant" is so fvcking blatant that the satire is almost too easy. It's begging to be mocked.
 
I don't care where you, or anyone else, get your "news." And, the notion that you believe that you're somehow "informed" by consuming any of this propaganda is hilarious, to me. I'm perfectly content to enjoy the satire. No one "told me" any of it was propaganda. When you're detached from all of it, and have no vested interest, or trust, in any of it, and you see it objectively, then the "slant" is so fvcking blatant that the satire is almost too easy. It's begging to be mocked.
lol, your 'detached objectivity' is what's hilarious. You're about as above it all as a led (no misspelling) balloon. The only difference between you and any of the rest of us is that the slant that compels you comes from inside your own skull. And Alice in Wonderland.
 
I think most rational people can finally agree that transgenderism is a mental disorder. Full display:

I have no idea what I just watched. For beginners, people who don't basically understand that to use a camera effectively, you can't shake it all around, should be terminated to keep them from breeding or causing me to watch what I just watched.
 
No, **** all politicians. Our political system is full of corruption. Limit campaign finance, do term limits, ranked choice voting, and hold people accountable for crimes ESPECIALLY if they are the ones leading branches of our gov.

and ESPECIALLY if they seem to be in that protected class of corruption.
 
I have no idea what I just watched. For beginners, people who don't basically understand that to use a camera effectively, you can't shake it all around, should be terminated to keep them from breeding or causing me to watch what I just watched.

What you watched was a bunch of trans animals and their batshit crazy supporters berating and assaulting Riley Gaines for acknowledging in a speech at some failing academic institution, the reality that sex is binary and every creature on earth, including humans, is born one or the other.
 
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What you watched was a bunch of trans animals and their batshit crazy supporters berating and assaulting Riley Gaines for acknowledging in a speech at some failing academic institution, the reality that sex is binary and every creature on earth, including humans, is born one or the other.
I have to disagree a little. There are cases of truly mixed biology, and there are cases of truly crossed up gender (gender being the sex that one associates with). The (fill in the blank) that waited on me last night was not what biology intended, but then there was no hope of it ever accomplishing that. It was perfectly nice though, and as we have agreed, it can be whatever it wants to be as long as I'm not asked to participate in any of the lunacy that has come to accompany those who aren't the norm.

But sex in all animals that reproduce male/female is essentially binary (duh) and to argue otherwise is part of the previously mentioned lunacy. And those who want to indulge in that lunacy and try to shove it down our throats wouldn't last long in bluetoe world.

Same for those who can't hold a camera still.
 
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our resident posters dealing with their tds and their constant disappointment related thereto.
You can't be serious. Trump has yet to disappoint us with his predictable pratfalls and comedic buffoonery. And as with any display of such absurd behavior, its captivated audience members are just as hysterical, if not more so. And that means you, poopondook.
 
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