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You, of all the posters here, should take Bill’s advice.Oh, okay. It all makes sense now.
Brevity is the soul of wit.
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The unhinged left of full display. Too bad they all didn’t kill each other. Minneapolis would be better off. @Heelicious
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Democratic Party convention descends into 'complete chaos' in Minnesota
A confrontation at the Ward 10 Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party Convention in Minneapolis over the weekend may result in party bans.
Lol. They’re all coming around now.
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CNN's Jake Tapper says Durham report 'devastating for the FBI,' findings do 'exonerate' Trump 'to a degree' | Fox News
Durham's report found that the DOJ and FBI 'failed to uphold their mission of strict fidelity to the law' in launching the Trump-Russia probe
Are you sure? Madcow says it's a fail for the conservatives. The only thing prosecuted was over a teeny-weeny forged signature she says, and he just got some community service.. She's actually gloating.Lol. They’re all coming around now.
CNN's Jake Tapper says Durham report 'devastating for the FBI,' findings do 'exonerate' Trump 'to a degree' | Fox News
Durham's report found that the DOJ and FBI 'failed to uphold their mission of strict fidelity to the law' in launching the Trump-Russia probe
And she's right. Somebody's balls should be in a sling, but as if by magic it's already fading.
ETA; the part that has me steaming is where she does a little tsk tsk over the money spent on the investigation and how long it took. Nary (word) a word about the bogus Trump investigation and how much it cost and how long it took.
You watch Maddow?
One positive is that the FBI had patched some holes in their process over the last few years to prevent the . Durham's report had zero recommendations on guidelines and policies changes for the DOJ and FBI. He didn't like past policy/guidelines, but those have since been corrected.
Please.Lol. They’re all coming around now.
CNN's Jake Tapper says Durham report 'devastating for the FBI,' findings do 'exonerate' Trump 'to a degree' | Fox News
Durham's report found that the DOJ and FBI 'failed to uphold their mission of strict fidelity to the law' in launching the Trump-Russia probe
This nothing burger led to no charges, no bipartisan take-aways, no recommendations for changes at the FBI or DOJ. Was the FBI lazy at the time, yes, but that isn't devastating.
There were some correctable mis-steps, but that doesn't mean there wouldn't have been *some* investigation into all the smoke surrounding Manafort, Flynn, Trump's kids etc. Remember there were 34 individual indictments as well as 3 Russian businesses that were charged in the wake of the Mueller investigation. Manafort, Stone & Flynn can probably speak russian at this point they have so many hooks.
Investigations are a good thing. Let's keep politicians honest, make people pay fair share of taxes, thwart corruption, etc. There's a ton of smoke with the Bidens if they're actually hiding money, so all that should be investigated too - same goes for every other rich family in America hiding money to thwart taxes or conceal corruption.
But is a billion dollar investigation to identify and collect $100M in evaded taxes or embezzled money a good use of funds? Having endless investigations into this, that, and the other is certainly good to keep money flowing through (and out of) the system, but I'm just not sold on it being a sustainable recurring event.
Introducing the government to the concept of an NPV analysis would do wonders for the fiscal future of country.
What's laughable is how giddy you were about the Durham report all these yrs to now wind up with a sh!tty prize: A media face like Jake Tapper saying Trump is "in part exonerated".
Whoohoo, next up take down Soros!
how about bogus investigations like the one conducted on Trump. They good too? Somebody other than Trump made some smoke, and the FBI was duplicitous in fanning that smoke to make it seem there had to be a fire somewhere. Of course, that was under the old guidelines which have since been improved, making it all OK. Right? It was just a little boo boo. Nothing to see here, move along folks. Get this...a trumped up investigation regarding attempts to ferret out illegal and treasonous efforts to sway the election WAS ITSELF AN ILLEGAL AND TREASONOUS ATTEMPT TO SWAY THE ELECTION. That has been made plain, yet nothing will come of it.
And you can rest assured, if there's a fire in the Biden camp...and I'm sure there is...it will be put out and we'll be told there's nothing to see here. We don't have to go to Denmark, there is something rotten right here in America.
lol, you tell 'em blaze. He's trying to give you the high hard one as usual. Make him pay. LMAO
Yet nobody is charged with anything. For four years this special counsel has been wielding powers and has charged NOBODY regarding "duplicitous" fanning. There should've been better diligence, yeah, but it wasn't egregious enough to be criminal.
It was dirty. Trading voter info with Russia is dirty too.
So i'll repeat: there was enough smoke from Trump's own actions to warrant the Mueller stuff whether or not dossiers were a thing. Trump made his own bed... his bed wasn't made by Hillary or DNC, etc.
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the findings are OF duplicitous fanning because they allowed the fanning. It isn't OK just because in the interim, some exculpatory guidelines were put in place. But of course I'll take your word that it wasn't egregious enough because you are exactly who I think of when I want the completely unbiased POV. So I'm going with 'it was dirty', which of course is completely excusable FBI behavior.
Please explain how trading voter info with an outside source is 'dirty' when an outside source put together the bogus dossier that formed the excuse for an investigation. Please just explain what harm was done in that.
Your last paragraph is the sort of bullshit that Madcow herself would be proud to spread. Trump did nothing to merit an investigation in the overall scheme of things, and you have to know that. In some dream world where every little suspicion is investigated, maybe. But in that dream world, Trump was right...Hillary would be in jail, and a hell of a lot of other dems would be in investigated. But that doesn't happen, does it. I mean to dems.
^^^^^ I love this one. LOL.
"Hey, you murdered someone".
"Yeah, that was a bit of a mis-step, but a correctable one. I decided to not murder again. It's all good now".
Of course. I hang on her every word.
Actually, I catch a youtube of her when pertinent or when I just want to see a falsely smug and arrogant face I'd never get tired of punching.
And also of course, there you go again. They fvcked up...but they say they're not going to do it again so we'll just forget about it and not bring it up anymore.
It was one of the biggest reasons from the jump the Dems used to delegitimize Trump and they used a fake story his entire Presidency to create the narrative, all the while knowing it was a lie. To dismiss it as trivial and a “nothingburger”, is straight from the liberal playbook and a move a total biased hack pulls.
Well, if you can't define it, then how can you say they aren't paying their fair share now?
Oh I was thinking you need a tourney thread of flat, fair, progressive, regressive, and others tbd
This was TIC regarding the offshore and hidden money of Biden's that is in the news. So in that case fair is determined by tax law.
Work that victim card.
The words out of his own mouth delegitimized Trump 100x more than the Steele dossier or Mueller report.
Someone seems pissed that the lie he bought was exposed as fraudulent. You got suckered. And even though your masters misled you, you're so invested in it at this point that you're unwilling to acknowledge it. But don't feel bad. You're just like a large number of ignorant, spineless, easily manipulated Americans that wait to be told what to think. It's a fitting role for you as a beta male.
So as long as someone is following the law, they are paying their fair share? Just trying to figure out where exactly you stand on the issue. Most people on the left feel like "rich" people don't pay enough, even when they follow the law. Of course, like you, they can't really define "fair share."
GTFO - i'm pissed?
For years Durham was your anointed disciple of Trump who was going to save the world by locking up Hillary and Soros. And now his final report is a wet fart. There is ZERO outcome despite all your hand-wringing and lip-smacking. Public opinion of Trump isn't changing one bit and no policy changes are touched - nothing is changing.
...except confirmation the entire thing was a fabrication constructed for the sole purpose of hurting Trump in the court of public opinion. You fell for it. Enthusiastically.
Sucker.
Legally, on the books, yes
Talking about personal tax, everyone needs to follow the law. At present I don't like the tax system. Parts of flat tax make sense, esp on wages but maybe not when it comes to dividends and cap gains, part of Fair Tax make sense too. But this country has an ugly debt problem, unfortunately, and is there's some insane $ at the top 1% that could help.
Thanks for verifying you are a big-time Bud Light drinker.
but if you didn't voluntarily choose to believe the slander slung at the Trumps you vote against, there wouldn't be such a huge ugly debt to have to dig our way out of by punishing success.
And don't even bother going there. I said 'such' a huge ugly debt...and Trump tried as many of us did, to prevent the lib overreaction that eventually made him contribute so large.
But since you brought it up, don't you just want to puke when you acknowledge our ugly debt problem while hearing hypocrite Biden cast aspersions on the republican effort to try to do something about it, and while he insists that those efforts are evil attempts to cut into 'vital programs'? I do. It'll be the same old same old, republicans will be the villains for trying to be responsible, and then they'll be the villains for caving to dem extortion.
I hope they don't cave this time.
Do something about your concerns. Vote republican. Vote for those who will try to assuage your worries. But you won't, of course. You'll vote for those who insist on making the problem worse and then blaming it all on the rich for not paying 'their share'.
your 'work that victim card' ploy is itself way overworked to the point that it's pretty much meaningless and ineffective. Do us all a favor and come up with a new and original dodge, and one that actually applies.
Daww, are you mad too that it wasn't the "crime of the century" Trump promised?
The report says FBI was biased. That's about it. It doesn't exonerate any of the findings from investigations (Mueller report), it just said the FBI leapt too early while looking - not enough for criminal charges, just enough that same policy in place (at that time) needed updating.
Durham himself said there was enough evidence for a preliminary investigation, calling it a "sensible step", see page 295 of the report. His complaint it that it should've stopped at preliminary.
But, again, he doesn't undermine the actual criminal charges borne from Mueller's findings. He doesn't refute Russia being behind wikileaks. He doesn't refute Russian bot campaigns. Nobody refutes Trump welcoming Russia's help or sucking Putin's balls.
Found this interesting blurb online
"In 2019, Inspector General Michael Horowitz released a report on the FBI investigation, criticizing how the FBI applied for surveillance warrants and ultimately concluding the investigation was warranted."
This is what Durham is complaining about, and those things were fixed.
So technically the probe shouldn't have launched if bias was checked.
and "But neither Horowitz or Durham have said that the investigation didn’t eventually uncover enough evidence to merit its existence." -- obviously the convictions the many major convictions from Mueller back this up.
Should the probe have happened? No, did it, and did it find criminals criming? Justice prevailed despite getting there the hard way. Yep.
"In 2019, Inspector General Michael Horowitz released a report on the FBI investigation, criticizing how the FBI applied for surveillance warrants and ultimately concluding the investigation was warranted."
This is what Durham is complaining about, and those things were fixed.
So technically the probe shouldn't have launched if bias was checked.
and "But neither Horowitz or Durham have said that the investigation didn’t eventually uncover enough evidence to merit its existence." -- obviously the convictions the many major convictions from Mueller back this up.
Should the probe have happened? No, did it, and did it find criminals criming? Justice prevailed despite getting there the hard way. Yep.
you can do better than this. You are just trying to dance around the fact that an intensive, highly expensive and bogus investigation into a sitting president, an investigation that distracted from his ability to do his job and therefor the welfare of the country, was the responsibility of our premier law enforcement agency. It isn't working.
That there was reason to check out a serious accusation is no news. Of course there was, so what? It should have ended there but it didn't, did it?
The fallout from the Mueller investigation was a result of the conduct of the investigation and had nothing to do with its main thrust, which was to prove 'collusion' between Russia and Trump's campaign. You keep harping on those things that are immaterial to the question at hand, which is the disgraceful bias and partiality of the FBI.
It's fairly clear why you're being so defensive here. It's because YOU are the one that was so sure that the investigation would prove that Russia colluded with Trump to win the election and it's you who are still reeling over the fact that those accusations amounted to an overblown nothingburger. It's you who has egg on his face.
I have no defensive feelings about the Durham report. His final report echos what Horowitz stated in 2019, so the report itself isn't even newsworthy. Tightening up FBI protocols is a good thing. Other poasters here brought it up and keep trying to argue that it is meaningful and I think it is hilarious that ya'll got your panties wound up for nada and you're trying to spin this as meaningful.
ya'll?
You've been defensive about the report since it came out. It's OK, we know how you were devastated by the Mueller investigation that the FBI failed to manipulate into a finding of guilt. You are minimizing the FBI role in that investigation because it makes your confidence in a finding of guilt seem less foolish and shameful.
Your hanging on those tangential and incidental charges that came about as a result of the investigation being conducted is laughable. It's like trying to find a diamond and settling for and bragging about a shiny piece of quartz.
My drawers are not and never have been in a bunch over such machinations, because I'm far too cynical to ever have even the slightest hope that the truth will prevail.
I have to say though that it's almost as outrageous that you dismiss the importance of the FBI's role as it was of the FBI to facilitate the massive investigation that should never have been. C'mon man. We know.
