So, how y'all feel about those parades over in rawlee celebrating 4th place finishes?
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That argument doesn't make any sense. If it did then Asians would be in the worst shape of any minority, but they aren't. So, lay out a better argument.
There's a reason I left that out. When you allow anyone to come, that means you allow anyone to come. The organization itself isn't white supremacist. How do you not understand that? Even the article that you linked isn't calling them white supremacists. They're trying to imply that they hang around with white supremacists or other people who hang around with white supremacists, which is still only a half truth.
Okay, I've read the first two sections. Does he talking about anything after the Jim Crow days? Also, his argument up until that point could easily have been made about poor people vs. rich people. That would have been more accurate than racism. Racism is hard to fall back on when Asians are the smallest race in the US, but they're doing the best of all the races.
Edit: Okay, I read the entire article and it sounds like he's just another person screaming "institutional racism". Honestly, the article uses the word "if" so many times that it sounds like he's just spitballing.
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This is why people get frustrated with you. If you're already just thinking this kind of inaccuracy, then what's the point?
Yeah it’s a complete waste of time. He obviously either can’t comprehend the material, or chose to block out the parts that are inconvenient to his ideology.
Studies have shown that all other variables being equal, black folks are less likely to graduate high school, less likely to get into college, earn less for the same work, and are even less likely to get call backs for job interviews.
That comment about Asians proves how much of a dumbass he is. Nowhere has anyone said that black folks are disadvantaged because of the size of their demographic. Asians generally experience the exact opposite kind of moral and statistical bias. People are biased towards think Asians are smarter, which actually can give them an advantage in the job market.
Also the guy who he thinks is “spitballing” has his material taught in virtually every public choice and political economy classroom in the world. His impossibility theorem is a hugely influential theory of government that has never been disproven. But knowing what you’re talking about is just an “argument from authority.” Everyone knows the real experts are edgelord political pundits that hangout on YouTube.
Whites are discriminated against in basketball. No way are black people better at it. Wonder why that is.
Blacks are discriminated against in hockey. No way are white people better at it. Wonder why that is.
What was inaccurate about my statement? Asian people are a much smaller minority than Blacks or Hispanics, but they are docked on SAT scores while Blacks and Hispanics get points added to theirs. If this was an issue with white domination, why wouldn't Asians be getting points added as well? It's called the bigotry of low expectations. For some reason, people like you don't think Black or Latino people can hack it without some kind of help. I find that disgusting and racist.
Since there's been so much obvious "straight hate" on this board lately, I figured I would offer you haters an olive branch. You're welcome.
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I don't think they all need help. I think the system is stacked against them because of the facts of a historical legacy. It's not as bad as it was 50 or especially 100 years ago. I don't ignore history.
And, Asians don't have the same historical circumstances in this country as people of African descent. Asians weren't treated as property for 250 years and their humanity stripped from them. They weren't denied the ability to educate themselves, or even have a choice for nearly any aspect of their lives... for generations. Their ancestors weren't brought here completely against their will and used as chattel slaves, to be owned by white people, to contribute to the profit-driven economy of the Golden Triangle of the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries. It wasn't until maybe the last 50 years that they were afforded even the most trivial social recognitions that white people completely take for granted. They weren't separated from whites, by law, in public schools and universities, restaurants, hospitals,or any public facility. That creates a social dysfunction, stigma, and inequality that is still lingering.
That's just off the top of my head.
Well, blacks weren't put into camps during WWII, losing their homes and businesses as a result.
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They can celebrate how they want, I don't care. My comment had more to do with how you described their celebration. It should be obvious by now that I have no issue with gay people. I'm one of the few people here who have defended them in the past.
You don't think they celebrate getting more rights. You think they celebrate by acting "queer".
Really sounds like you're a staunch supporter.
You should probably know what you're talking about before you post something. You haven't been around here that long, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You look back through these threads and you'll find that the only people who have defended pretty much every gay rights issue is @strummingram, @uncboy10 and me. Everyone else either doesn't support it or keeps quite.
That being said, my response was about how YOU were describing it. It had nothing to do with my support.
Just say it and call him a racist. Everyone knows you’re itching to do it.
Black athletes dominate the NBA because a majority of the best basketball players are black, and the NBA selects for the most elite talent. As RH pointed out, a majority of elite hockey players are white.
Those are merit based selections. If you try to draw an analogy from that to the economic outcomes of black folks, you are suggesting those outcomes are also merit based. That’s a perfect example of the statistic bias mentioned in the Arrow article I shared. It also treads dangerously close to racist territory IMO. But it could also just be ignorance of some fairly complex causality.
Being black is not necessarily the cause of the bias we see in the economy. There is a clear relationship between education and earnings. Black folks on average have less access to quality education. An applicant with a black sounding name is less likely to get a call back. Black folks are more likely to get arrested for drug possession, despite the fact that white folks use more drugs. Black folks receive harsher sentences on average for the same crimes.
There is a long list of these types of biases that are still present in society today. When you add them up, you realize there is a significant disadvantage for many people of color, especially in underserved communities.
There are lots of silly counter arguments that frequently come up in these discussions. The first is what I would call the Obama argument. This argument is that some black people are so successful that racial inequality can’t possibly exist. The second argument is that white people can be poor and miserable too. And of course they can. Neither of these coonterarguments actually address the issue. If you control for every other variable, black folks will, on average, be at a disadvantage compared to their white counterparts.
Of course some people will read this post and just think it’s somehow an accusation that all white people are racist.
Those are merit based selections. If you try to draw an analogy from that to the economic outcomes of black folks, you are suggesting those outcomes are also merit based. That’s a perfect example of the statistic bias mentioned in the Arrow article I shared. It also treads dangerously close to racist territory IMO. But it could also just be ignorance of some fairly complex causality.
Being black is not necessarily the cause of the bias we see in the economy. There is a clear relationship between education and earnings. Black folks on average have less access to quality education. An applicant with a black sounding name is less likely to get a call back. Black folks are more likely to get arrested for drug possession, despite the fact that white folks use more drugs. Black folks receive harsher sentences on average for the same crimes.
There is a long list of these types of biases that are still present in society today. When you add them up, you realize there is a significant disadvantage for many people of color, especially in underserved communities.
There are lots of silly counter arguments that frequently come up in these discussions. The first is what I would call the Obama argument. This argument is that some black people are so successful that racial inequality can’t possibly exist. The second argument is that white people can be poor and miserable too. And of course they can. Neither of these coonterarguments actually address the issue. If you control for every other variable, black folks will, on average, be at a disadvantage compared to their white counterparts.
Of course some people will read this post and just think it’s somehow an accusation that all white people are racist.
This doesn't take into account prior convictions. And I have yet to see a study where all the variables, save for one, were controlled. Even the paper you linked to earlier in this thread didn't have that, which is one reason I had such a problem with it.
I think you're describing a small subset of their community (but as with anything, the minority you're describing are the most vocal). Most gay people I know just want to live their life the same way straight people do.
I have a few friends who marched in the DC pride parade just simply to support those who haven't been treated as equal, been persecuted, or killed because they are gay. I think the "throw it in people's faces" is not the objective of most gay people at all...or at least the ones I know.
The gay pride thing seems like a great test for the so called libertarian ideals of many right wingers. They claim to believe that others should be able to do as they please, as long as they aren’t hurting others. But if you throw a parade with a few rainbows at them, they suddenly start whinging about how they are tired of seeing gay people act gay in public.
Get over it. Move to Wyoming if you think LGBT issues are being shoved down your throat. I hear there’s still a Cheney sister that will gladly denounce gay marriage for you.
Get over it. Move to Wyoming if you think LGBT issues are being shoved down your throat. I hear there’s still a Cheney sister that will gladly denounce gay marriage for you.
Blah, blah, blah. All you're doing is saying all white people are racist.
I don't need to nor care to look back at every thread. I'm talking about your comment you made here and discussing it.
As I said above, I think the "look at us we're queer" mentality that you describe is a minority of gay people.
Who's complaining about gay parades? I don't know a single person who has an issue with them. Is this like the "Hillary lost because of racism" argument?
Yes it does. That’s one of the easiest variable to control for since the data is widely available to the public.
Econometrics uses statistical tools to estimate coefficients while controlling for every confounding variable that you can think of when designing the study. This is my area of expertise.
I think @NoleSoup4U saying he thinks white people have it harder than black people doesn't make him racist...it makes him an idiot.
They have it harder getting into colleges and getting jobs. There isn't much argument there. It's the same as women having an easier time getting a job over a man. With quotas, that's just how it is. It doesn't mean that white men can't get jobs. It just means that they have a couple of variables stacked against them.
I still find it funny that nobody can actually tell me where I'm wrong...only that I'm wrong.
If you don't care to look back then don't try to say, or imply, that I have some problem with gay people. For the third ****ing time, my comment was about YOU not them. You're starting to sound like your favorite poster.
https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2413&context=articles
It says right there in the abstract that after controlling for prior convictions, there is still a significant gap in sentencing for the same crimes.
If it's so easy for blacks then why are these numbers so staggering?
https://www.insidehighered.com/news...on-rates-vary-race-and-ethnicity-report-finds
Again. You're wrong. You're really f-ing wrong. As usual.
You're getting crazy defensive for something that you think is a cut and dry issue.
Agreed.
I think that's true with any group. Libs, Conservatives, Gay people, Whites, Blacks, Hispanics, etc. etc. The vocal minority suck, always.
Wtf are you talking about? White students are at a significant advantage over black students when it comes to get into college. They are also nearly 20% more likely to graduate.
In most places, quotas are not permitted. They can have “goals” but they cannot turn away a qualified student to meet that goal.
This white persecution crap is laughably stupid.
I have a problem with people trying to tell me how I feel, especially when they are trying to say I'm homophobic, racist, etc. Where did I say it was a cut and dry issue?
