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Can someone explain to me why the Senate refuses to call new witnesses? What are the arguments against doing so?

One thing i’ve heard mentioned several times is that the witnesses should have been called earlier in the process. Despite the fact that many were blocked from testifying by the white house. (Hence the obstruction of justice charge)
 
One thing i’ve heard mentioned several times is that the witnesses should have been called earlier in the process. Despite the fact that many were blocked from testifying by the white house. (Hence the obstruction of justice charge)
I fail to understand how our system of checks and balances would allow the executive branch to (legally) prevent witnesses from appearing in a trial being conducted by the legislative branch. I'm no constitutional scholar, nor did I stay in a Holiday Inn last night, but this fails common sense. How can there be a fair and just trial without hearing from the witnesses with direct knowledge of what transpired?

These are, of course, rhetorical questions.
 
The house could have compelled other witnesses to testify but they were in too big of a hurry to rush the process. That is the system of checks and balances, it would have been up to the judicial branch. There is also Executive privilege in which all presidents have used and likely Trump would have used as well.
 
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The house could have compelled other witnesses to testify but they were in too big of a hurry to rush the process. That is the system of checks and balances, it would have been up to the judicial branch. There is also Executive privilege in which all presidents have used and likely Trump would have used as well.

This is the answer. Just because Trump claims exec privilege doesn't mean it's a legit claim. But the House couldn't wait to get a ruling because it was in national interest to expedite impeachment, even though they sat on it for a month.
 
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If what Bolton is saying is true, and he has proof of it, then it's a tough look for senate Republicans. I still don't think many, if any, are going to vote for his removal but the optics of it are pretty bad if there is hard proof.

Some people don't care. I know a lot of regulars here will say even if there is proof that they don't think it's something remotely close to removal. That's fine - I see that side of it.

To me, there's gotta be a line between being President vs. looking out for your own personal interests and using your office to go after your enemies. If he did the latter, which it really appears he has, to me that's grounds for him to be out.

Yes or no- does it seem plausible that Ukraine would be able to blackmail Joe Biden?
 
It’s my understanding that Chief Justice John Roberts can demand witnesses be called and the GOP couldn’t stop him without a 2|3 votes to stop it.
You understand wrong.

...again

the Chief Justice acts as a mediator enforcing the trial rules that have been approved by the senate. He has no power to compel witnesses.
 
Who else are they going to support? Who has a better chance of meeting their goals than Trump?

What do u think their goals are? When i was an evangelical it was to “glorify god in all that you do”. Maybe its changed. Maybe its “get roe v wade overturned even if it means supporting a rich politician who fukked a porn star while his wife was pregnant, who claims to be a christian but doesnt go to church, and has bragged about sexually assaulting women”
 
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Because the Chief Executive has blocked material witnesses from providing testimony that is almost certainly damaging to his defense. Tell me, is there a precedent for that happening before?

Of course there is. Every president going back as far as I know has claimed exec privilege.

Although I hope we do get witnesses. Do you have any issues with Schiff or Ciaramello being called? How about the Bidens? Crowdstrike? All of these were introduced by Schiff in his opening statements.
 
What do u think their goals are? When i was an evangelical it was to “glorify god in all that you do”. Maybe its changed. Maybe its “get roe v wade overturned even if it means supporting a rich politician who fukked a porn star while his wife was pregnant, who claims to be a christian but doesnt go to church, and has bragged about sexually assaulting women”

I dont care what their goals are. I'm not the one with a problem with Evangelicals.

Who is a better option than Trump for the Evangelicals?
 
Of course there is. Every president going back as far as I know has claimed exec privilege.

Although I hope we do get witnesses. Do you have any issues with Schiff or Ciaramello being called? How about the Bidens? Crowdstrike? All of these were introduced by Schiff in his opening statements.

i don’t at this point.
 
Obama blocked erik holder and key documents from committees during the fast and furious investigations in which the justice department was running guns to the mexican drug cartels. Some of these guns were used to kill Americans.

Of course there is. Every president going back as far as I know has claimed exec privilege.
Wait. We're talking about an impeachment trial. You said there was no precedent for the Senate calling witnesses in an impeachment trial. Now you're saying presidents have blocked evidence in other, non-impeachment investigations. These are not the same issue.
 
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