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carolinablue34 said:
I wish he’d even attempt to tone it down. His rhetoric really doesn’t help situations such as these.
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I'm glad they had him make his prepared remarks and that's it. In a situation like this where people are so freaked out, him going off the cuff is not something he's great at doing.

Pence is handling this pretty well after the Trumpgasm. He's taking some really dumb questions and actually taking them seriously and answering them.
 
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carolinablue34 said:
That word has become the single most irritating phrase among his supporters. It’s another way Trump reduces politics to a game of recess between 1st graders.
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No point being irritated. If anything, the complete lack of self awareness is amusing.
 
UNC71-00 said:
Sure. Let's wager on the outcome. I wager Trump will be reelected. How much would you like to stake that he will not be?
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carolinablue34 said:
spoiler alert: I made a $1 bet with Rich just to placate him lol
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Well, I tried to be clear that if things stay on their present course.

What I mean by that is; If the stock market keeps tanking, if the impact of the coronavirus scare and this oil war... basically, if the economy goes to shit... what's left for him? His charming personality and his appeal to the same people who he conned 3 years ago?

Today I was riding through some rural areas of the upstate (@uncboy10 between Easley and Pickens) and saw three different residences with flagpoles in their yard and each had a Rebel Flag over a Trump/Pence 2020 flag. Yay! He'll have their votes no matter what!
 
I love these historical stock market numbers Trump is always bragging about. I'm still waiting for his tweet on today's record-setting day.
 
dadika13 said:
I wasn't talking about the election process, I was commenting that if he's the best ever at campaigning then how the hell did 3 million more people vote for one of the least likable people ever.
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Because the campaign he was running was designed to win an election that was based on electoral, not popular vote.

If the rules were for popular votes, his whole strategy likely would have been different. I assume would have campaigned a lot more in CA, NY, and TX since there were a lot of votes he could have taken there, that he (smartly) didn't care about because those 3 states were no doubters from an electoral college perspective.

Would it have changed the outcome of the popular vote? Who knows, but to dismiss the possibility is foolish.
 
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carolinablue34 said:
I’m not a Trump fan but that doesn’t mean I’m stupid. Incumbents are always hard to beat and his base shows no sign of abating. At the current moment, I don’t believe any democratic candidate would best him.
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Bet with your head, not with your heart. Trump is a large favorite in Vegas to win re-election. Follow the money.
 
On feb 25th trump’s assessment of corona virus and the 15 cases then in the US.

“the 15, within a couple of days, is going to be down to close to zero. That’s a pretty good job we’ve done.”

well it’s down to 500. Not that I’m blaming trump. But why say something so profoundly stupid? Did anyone think those were gonna be the only 15 cases? Either he hadn’t talked to cdc which is pretty irresponsible or he had talked to them and ignored their findings which is pretty irresponsible.
 
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carolinablue34 said:
I’m not a Trump fan but that doesn’t mean I’m stupid. Incumbents are always hard to beat and his base shows no sign of abating. At the current moment, I don’t believe any democratic candidate would best him.
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obviously you’re not familiar with Satan‘s and the media’s plan to bring down trump
 
Trump floated the idea of paid time off to disincentivize potential coronavirus patients from feeling they needed to go to work. The Dems have been hammering for paid time off for awhile - do they about face on it today and come up with a bunch of reasons why Trump is an idiot for wanting to implement it?
 
Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
Trump floated the idea of paid time off to disincentivize potential coronavirus patients from feeling they needed to go to work. The Dems have been hammering for paid time off for awhile - do they about face on it today and come up with a bunch of reasons why Trump is an idiot for wanting to implement it?
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So how does that work? You call in and say you think you may have been exposed to the virus?
 
heelmanwilm said:
So how does that work? You call in and say you think you may have been exposed to the virus?
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Well, in some jobs we're beyond this. I've been working from home for the past month because our company basically told us to do so. My wife is the same. Amazon, Facebook, Microsoft, etc. all have implemented a work from home policy.

But yeah, if you're a nurse, construction worker, general store employee...not so easy. I think it's a good idea for the paid time off and you just hope people won't be assholes about it and say they feel sick when they don't (which they will).
 
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Ya, Biden does have a better shot of beating Trump than Bernie does. However, I do think a lot of the Bernie Bros sit this one out (again). Granted, a lot of the more moderate Dems would have sat it out or pinched their nose and gone with Trump if it was Bernie.

Assuming the election plays out as the odds dictate and Trump wins again - the Dems will need to figure out a way to have the two factions come together. It'd be interesting to see the Progressive wing split off and form a somewhat viable 3rd party. In that case a bunch of Republicans could very will switch to Dem with the more militant/aggressive left portion of the party gone, and the new Dems could actually be better off in that scenario.
 
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dadika13 said:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/our-final-forecast-for-todays-primaries/

Biden could very well sweep today's primaries. I'm actually really proud of dems for stepping back and realizing that Bernie Sanders is way too far left to make his policies realistic/passable and that he couldn't beat Trump.

Biden isn't a great candidate by any means but at least they saw the issue with Bernie.
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Is it going to be great for them long term though? This would have been the perfect time for them to run a guy who is way too far left for the general election. To prove you can't go that far out there. Now they are still going to be carrying dead weight around their neck. People like AOC will just be more vocal about running a far left guy because moderates won't win. It will cost them the 2024 election and maybe the 2028 too.
 
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An establishment moderate did so well against trump last time, why not try it again?

Hillary had the name recognition and the policy experience. I can’t stand her but she’s undeniably intelligent. Biden doesn’t even know if he’s running for president or the senate.
 
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tarheel0910 said:
Is it going to be great for them long term though? This would have been the perfect time for them to run a guy who is way too far left for the general election. To prove you can't go that far out there. Now they are still going to be carrying dead weight around their neck. People like AOC will just be more vocal about running a far left guy because moderates won't win. It will cost them the 2024 election and maybe the 2028 too.
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Yeah - we discussed this already I think...where it'd be smart to let Bernie fail so it stops AOC.

I'd hope the same thing happens in 2024 where they stop and go, we can't nominate her.
 
Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
Ya, Biden does have a better shot of beating Trump than Bernie does. However, I do think a lot of the Bernie Bros sit this one out (again). Granted, a lot of the more moderate Dems would have sat it out or pinched their nose and gone with Trump if it was Bernie.

Assuming the election plays out as the odds dictate and Trump wins again - the Dems will need to figure out a way to have the two factions come together. It'd be interesting to see the Progressive wing split off and form a somewhat viable 3rd party. In that case a bunch of Republicans could very will switch to Dem with the more militant/aggressive left portion of the party gone, and the new Dems could actually be better off in that scenario.
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@Hark_The_Sound_2010 do you think there is any chance Bernie runs as an independent? Heck - I believe for much of his senatorial career he was registered as an Independent (Socialist Democrat) who voted with / caucused with the Dems.

What better, more practical and principled way for Bernie and his Bros to stick it to the man - the Dem establishment - who they see as screwing them over in two cycles now...…

than to be able to:
  • vote for Bernie
  • nearly guarantee the Dem establishment and their candidate loses
  • not lower themselves to voting for Trump
 
dadika13 said:
Yeah - we discussed this already I think...where it'd be smart to let Bernie fail so it stops AOC.

I'd hope the same thing happens in 2024 where they stop and go, we can't nominate her.
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So if Biden gets nominated then loses, why shouldn't they stop a moderate from being nominated in 2024?
 
Heelicious said:
@Hark_The_Sound_2010 do you think there is any chance Bernie runs as an independent? Heck - I believe for much of his senatorial career he was registered as an Independent (Socialist Democrat) who voted with / caucused with the Dems.

What better, more practical and principled way for Bernie and his Bros to stick it to the man - the Dem establishment - who they see as screwing them over in two cycles now...…

than to be able to:
  • vote for Bernie
  • nearly guarantee the Dem establishment and their candidate loses
  • not lower themselves to voting for Trump
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I think he legitimately dislikes Trump enough to not do that. He knows that would hand Trump the election, and is probably holding out some sort of hope that Biden defies the odds and wins.

His supporters though, at least the ones over at r/politics (an absolute gold mine over the last week btw), seem to be aiming their disdain more at the DNC and the Democrat voters than Trump - so I wouldn't be surprised if a good amount of them were rallying for him to do that.
 
dadika13 said:
Cuz they should be smart enough to know it was the candidate and opponent that beat them in 2020 and not the platform.
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How convenient. When a progressive loses its because they're too progressive. When a moderate loses then its the "candidate and opponent" that beat them.
 
uncboy10 said:
How convenient. When a progressive loses its because they're too progressive. When a moderate loses then its the "candidate and opponent" that beat them.
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Good point. I hope the Dems do nothing but nominate progressives from here on out.
 
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dadika13 said:
Cuz they should be smart enough to know it was the candidate and opponent that beat them in 2020 and not the platform.
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To me the more united party usually wins and Trump has firm control over the GOP and will convince the vast majority of republicans to vote for him even some don't like his style or domineering, bombastic manner.

The DNC on the other hand, holds no such luxury. To me, winning an election isn't about the policies but about how you sell them. If LBJ was around today trying to push the Great Society programs on people, he wouldn't go anywhere. Bernie is essentially trying to push a 2.0 steroid version of that. But I don't think his messaging is resonating given that only a certain section of liberal Democrats are voting for him and Biden seems poised to win a majority of the delegates.

The power of Trump isn't his competency or skill in debating, it's his ability to make himself appear like the most confident guy in the world while also making his opponent look bad.
 
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