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BillyL said:
I'm not forcing you to do sh!t . . LMFAO
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Are you saying that can personally not pay the portion of my taxes that will go to these people, force the federal government not to sell more debt that I'll have to pay back with interest, and force the Federal Reserve not to pump the money into the economy?
 
uncboy10 said:
Why is the Republican Party hellbent on cutting the social safety net that could easily provide for both our citizens and the current number of illegal immigrants? Why are they opposed to a simple pathway to citizenship program that would naturalize those illegal immigrants so they would become part of the system? Deporting 11 million people isn't going to happen.



Broken in the exact same way? None of the "broken" machines changed votes to democrats. Mighty strange coincidence.
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For the first part, having a massive social security net and having open immigration is a recipe for disaster. That's why it's so hard to immigrate to socialist countries like Canada and Sweden. Just look at the fiscal damage going on in Sweden from the immigrants they have brought in. Belgium had one of the biggest social safety nets in the world, and they're getting financially crushed now because of immigrants. It just doesn't work.

In response to Texas, I've seen nothing that points to any corruption. I'm sure if there was any proof of that, the media would be going crazy right now.
 
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NoleSoup4U said:
For the first part, having a massive social security net and having open immigration is a recipe for disaster. That's why it's so hard to immigrate to socialist countries like Canada and Sweden. Just look at the fiscal damage going on in Sweden from the immigrants they have brought in. Belgium had one of the biggest social safety nets in the world, and they're getting financially crushed now because of immigrants. It just doesn't work.

In response to Texas, I've seen nothing that points to any corruption. I'm sure if there was any proof of that, the media would be going crazy right now.
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Who said anything about open immigration?
 
NoleSoup4U said:
That's why it's so hard to immigrate to socialist countries like Canada and Sweden.
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I'm not sure about Canada. I think Canada is a bit more accommodating. Of course, it's like living in a refrigerator. I've spent enough time visiting my brother's family in Minnesota to know that Canada would never work.

But, try becoming a citizen of a country like New Zealand, or Switzerland! You have to literally prove to them that you can contribute. It's like a job interview... only much more difficult.

Of course, once you become a citizen, then you get to enjoy the benefits of the place. But, you have the responsibility to continue to do your share.
 
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BillyL said:
Suckabee.
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toophly1124 said:
@uncboy10 what time will you be at TOPO tomorrow? I’ll take you up on that beer!
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Unfortunately I won't be in town tomorrow. I may to try to catch the Western game, but aside from that I probably won't be making the drive for any other games this year. Its hard to justify spending the money for gas/tickets/food when the team is this bad.
 
While walking down the street a Republican Senator was tragically hit by a car and died. His soul arrives in Heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

"Welcome to Heaven, Senator" says St. Peter. "Before you settle in it seems there is a problem. We seldom see an important Republican around these parts, so we're not sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in," says the Senator.

"Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from the higher ups. What we'll do is have you spend one day in Hell and one in Heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."

"Really? I've made up my mind. I want to be in Heaven," says the Senator.

"I'm sorry, but we have our rules."

And with that St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to Hell.

The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him. Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.

They played a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and the finest champagne. Also present is the devil who really is a very friendly guy who is having a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are all having such a good time that before the Senator realizes it, it is time to go. Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises.

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens in Heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him, "Now it's time to visit Heaven."

So the Senator joins a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time, and soon he realizes the time's up and St. Peter returns.

"Well then you've spent a day in Hell and another in Heaven. Now choose your eternity."

The Senator reflects for a minute before he answers: "Well, I would never have said it before, I mean Heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in Hell."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to Hell. Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above. The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulders.

"I don't understand," stammers the Senator. "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?"

The devil smiles at him and says, "Yesterday we were campaigning. Today you voted."
 
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BillyL said:
While walking down the street a Republican Senator was tragically hit by a car and died. His soul arrives in Heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

"Welcome to Heaven, Senator" says St. Peter. "Before you settle in it seems there is a problem. We seldom see an important Republican around these parts, so we're not sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in," says the Senator.

"Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from the higher ups. What we'll do is have you spend one day in Hell and one in Heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."

"Really? I've made up my mind. I want to be in Heaven," says the Senator.

"I'm sorry, but we have our rules."

And with that St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to Hell.

The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him. Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.

They played a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and the finest champagne. Also present is the devil who really is a very friendly guy who is having a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are all having such a good time that before the Senator realizes it, it is time to go. Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises.

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens in Heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him, "Now it's time to visit Heaven."

So the Senator joins a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time, and soon he realizes the time's up and St. Peter returns.

"Well then you've spent a day in Hell and another in Heaven. Now choose your eternity."

The Senator reflects for a minute before he answers: "Well, I would never have said it before, I mean Heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in Hell."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to Hell. Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above. The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulders.

"I don't understand," stammers the Senator. "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?"

The devil smiles at him and says, "Yesterday we were campaigning. Today you voted."
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Must have been that warmongering d-bag, McCain.
 
BillyL said:
While walking down the street a Republican Senator was tragically hit by a car and died. His soul arrives in Heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance.

"Welcome to Heaven, Senator" says St. Peter. "Before you settle in it seems there is a problem. We seldom see an important Republican around these parts, so we're not sure what to do with you."

"No problem, just let me in," says the Senator.

"Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from the higher ups. What we'll do is have you spend one day in Hell and one in Heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity."

"Really? I've made up my mind. I want to be in Heaven," says the Senator.

"I'm sorry, but we have our rules."

And with that St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to Hell.

The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him. Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people.

They played a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and the finest champagne. Also present is the devil who really is a very friendly guy who is having a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are all having such a good time that before the Senator realizes it, it is time to go. Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises.

The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens in Heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him, "Now it's time to visit Heaven."

So the Senator joins a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time, and soon he realizes the time's up and St. Peter returns.

"Well then you've spent a day in Hell and another in Heaven. Now choose your eternity."

The Senator reflects for a minute before he answers: "Well, I would never have said it before, I mean Heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in Hell."

So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to Hell. Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above. The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulders.

"I don't understand," stammers the Senator. "Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?"

The devil smiles at him and says, "Yesterday we were campaigning. Today you voted."
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If Jesus were on earth today would he be at a Trump rally or walking with the caravan?
 
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Terror Beard said:
The party in the White House always sees a drastic rise of power from the opposite party during the administration's first mid-term.
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I always thought this too but I don't think I've ever fact checked it, so out of curiosity:

Obama, 2010 - Republicans +6 senate, +63 house (checks out)
Bush, 2002 - Dems -2 senate, -8 house (does not check out)
Clinton, 1994 - Republicans +9 senate, +54 house (checks out)
Bush, 1990 - Dems +1 senate, +7 house (checks out)
Reagan, 1982 - Dems +1 senate, +26 house (checks out)
Carter, 1978 - Republicans +2 senate, +15 house (checks out)

TIL, this theory checks out but maybe not drastically aside from 2010 and 1994.

In theory, I'm with you @Terror Beard on the libs needing some dramatic numbers to call this a victory when you consider the Anti-Trump movement and history.
 
The Dems would probably have taken back both the Senate and the House this year if they weren't so incompetent. Cruz was vulnerable and Scott isn't the most well-liked politician in Florida. Instead, they talked about abolishing ICE, said nothing, and even protected, ANTIFA as they ran around assaulting innocent people, and screamed about Trump and Kavanaugh. The best they can hope for now is taking back the House, which they'll just lose again in 2020. There should be a natural pendulum of ineptitude in government that swings back and forth, but the left is just too far gone to even consider voting for them at this point.
 
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Terror Beard said:
Well stated.

Frankly, I've always said I like gridlock. Gridlock is good. Our govt is best when they get nothing accomplished. However, like you said, the left is so deranged now that I can't take that approach. The country needs to get farther right than we are so that when the left inevitably obtains power again, they'll have their work cut out for them reversing what the right has put in place, lessening their time to be effective on their own platform (whatever that may be - maybe they'll have something solid by then).
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I believe they will win the house, not by much but they will. They senate will fall further right. The house under Pelosi for the next 2 years will fall further and further out of the mainstream and again go to the Rep in 2020. The house led by Pelosi, Waters and the like will be a real shit show like we've never seen. Also just after the election tomorrow Mueller will come out with his report that says Trump did absolutely nothing in regards to Russia. Then the real meltdown on the left will begin. It will be, "well he's a Republican, what did you expect". This meltdown will be very entertaining.
 
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Terror Beard said:
Will Pelosi and her gang in the House attempt to impeach Trump? I actually hope so because they will yet again, go home with their tails tucked and looking like angry, petty people.
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They will fight mightily amongst themselves over that one. I don't think they will but it will be a bloodbath within the Dem party fighting over it.
Should be fun and entertaining either way.
 
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Terror Beard said:
Well stated.

Frankly, I've always said I like gridlock. Gridlock is good. Our govt is best when they get nothing accomplished. However, like you said, the left is so deranged now that I can't take that approach. The country needs to get farther right than we are so that when the left inevitably obtains power again, they'll have their work cut out for them reversing what the right has put in place, lessening their time to be effective on their own platform (whatever that may be - maybe they'll have something solid by then).
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I voted for more Dems than Reps in 2016, but guess who's voting straight red this time around?
 
nctransplant said:
He would probably be looking after our homeless and vets.
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So you feel that the government should do more to take care of our homeless and veterans?

If politicians on both sides of the aisle weren't bought and paid for by corporate entities then we could use the government to serve the people of this country instead of wealthy Wall Street bankers and corporate executives. This should be a non partisan point of agreement. The budget doesn't need to get any bigger to take care of homeless folks and vets. It just needs a corporate subsidy or two to be eliminated.
 
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uncboy10 said:
So you feel that the government should do more to take care of our homeless and veterans?

If politicians on both sides of the aisle weren't bought and paid for by corporate entities then we could use the government to serve the people of this country instead of wealthy Wall Street bankers and corporate executives. This should be a non partisan point of agreement. The budget doesn't need to get any bigger to take care of homeless folks and vets. It just needs a corporate subsidy or two to be eliminated.
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Yeah, those subsidies were called the TARP and the ARRA. You should write your buddy Obama about those.
 
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uncboy10 said:
So you feel that the government should do more to take care of our homeless and veterans?

If politicians on both sides of the aisle weren't bought and paid for by corporate entities then we could use the government to serve the people of this country instead of wealthy Wall Street bankers and corporate executives. This should be a non partisan point of agreement. The budget doesn't need to get any bigger to take care of homeless folks and vets. It just needs a corporate subsidy or two to be eliminated.
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I can go along with this. I also would like to see some kind of work agreement(for those able) to receive gov't aid.
 
Terror Beard said:
What has to happen tomorrow for liberals to view the mid-terms as a success?
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IMO, for Democrats to consider the mid-terms a success, they would need to take control of both the House and Senate. If they don't take control of either, it'd be a failure. If they get control in the House but not the Senate, it's a "push". Although, if they get control of the House and have Nancy Pelosi go back in as Speaker - then they can consider the whole thing failure then too. They need distance themselves from that old crusty bird brain.
 
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Hark_The_Sound_2010 said:
This one makes sense that it bucked the trend though. This was on the heels of 9/11, so I can understand that people balked at a lot of the policies that Dems would have been campaigning on then.
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Yeah and Bush in the 12-18 months post 9/11 had insane approval ratings.

Always made me think how different it would have been with Al Gore who probably would have been hiding under a desk. We needed that Texas "don't f with us" attitude after 9/11.
 
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