Not voting is a mistake and that's all I have to say about that. Where was the festival?
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Duluth. It's hard for me to take voting advice from someone who thinks uniformed people should vote and doesn't care where someone stands on the issues.
So i voted. Some r’s,
Some d’s and one L. I have to admit i just chose 4 at random out of 8 for board of education. But i did split it by party. Voted for all amendments except voter id. I dont think exercising any constitutional right should be contingent on having a valid photo id in your possession.
Some d’s and one L. I have to admit i just chose 4 at random out of 8 for board of education. But i did split it by party. Voted for all amendments except voter id. I dont think exercising any constitutional right should be contingent on having a valid photo id in your possession.
Is a photo id the only requirement? I've never understood the problem with the id. I would imagine the number of people who are 18 and don't have an id is extremely small. Pretty much anything you do in this country requires id.
How do you suggest we screen people to determine if they are "informed" or not?
Its just the principal to me. Yes most every coherent functioning adult has an id and has to have one to perform basic daily tasks. But imo none of your constitutional rights, any of them, should be taken away if your id expires or gets lost or you dont have it for whatever reason.
Maybe the polling place should hold the IDs then. When you register to vote, part of the process is them making you a voting ID. That ID is then held on record at your polling location to be verified when you show up to vote.
There was a lot of concern of outside influence over the recent election. The fact that anyone can go to my polling location and vote for me if they say my address seems concerning to me.
So what you're saying is that you shouldn't have to have an id to buy a gun? I'm not sure I agree with that.
Buying a gun isnt a constitutional right. Just ownership is. Seems like a minor technicality but you dont have to turn in your guns if you lose your id or it expires. And i dont want that to ever be the case.
Seems kind of like a cop out, but ok. You don't have to turn over your right to vote if you don't have an id. You just can't get a ballot. It's just a minor technicality. Also, past votes aren't taken away if you lose your id or it expires.
ETA: You have to be 18 to have a handgun. You don't have a right to own one per the law. How do you prove you are 18 without an id? Would a birth certificate be enough to prove you can own a handgun?
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If an illegal votes they take away your constitutional right to vote because they cancel your vote.
What makes you say that? When I got my LTC I was taught that if I were ever going to let the license expire, I would need to be rid of all firearms (by selling, gifting, or turning in) prior to the expiration of the license. People have gotten in trouble for not doing that before.
We already have a digital database for every voter anyways. Without that, the ID is pointless because there is nothing for the ID to be checked against. Which should make photo ID obsolete. They can just bring up your photo from the database when you show up, and verify you’re who you say you are.
Fwiw i think the current gun laws strike a good balance between the right to bear arms and the publics right to safety.
I didnt for two weeks in april. But its not the point. The point is should your constitutional rights be contingent upon having one? Imo no.
For those that are already registered, it would come from the DMV database.
I think it would be ideal for everyone to be automatically registered when they turn 18, and be put into the photo database through their high school. Sometime during junior year you would have your photo taken, and SSN verified then you would be automatically registered to vote. And photos could be updated either through the DMV or even at the polling stations every 8 years or so if your photo is out of date.
With modern technology there are definitely more secure ways to verify identity though, and many of them would make it possible to vote from a smart phone. Retina scanners or fingerprint scanners would be even better than photo ID.
Well, if you want to go that far, you're infringing on peoples' rights when you force them to carry an ID, or to even force someone to need an ID to buy firearms or even have to submit to a background check.
Awesome. That works too. Although to second @tarheel0910 question of where they get the photos for that... I don't remember taking one.
This database check isn't in practice in Massachusetts, is it in place in SC? When I went to the poll today I was asked my address, the woman then said my name, I said yes, and got checked off. So essentially, if I know a male lives at 420 High Street, I could go there and say the address, then whatever Paul Smith, John Williams, Steve Black name is given I can just say "yup" and vote in place of that guy. In Massachusetts, I probably don't even need to ensure that a male lives there, they'd be so hesitant to disagree with me if I said "yup" to Jane Doe.
Then you’re balancing one constitutional right against another. Like i posted earlier. Imo current gun laws are a good balance between right to bear arms and the publics right to safety. You could say the same regarding voter id i guess. But its a matter of how reasonable the threat is that someone will impersonate you when voting vs the threat of people being denied their right to vote for not having a valid id in their possession.
Just tell them you self-identify as a chick. This country is so cravenly PC that we would rather trample on peoples' right than to face the truth.
Shall not be infringed. If you force someone to own an ID in order to buy a gun then you're infringing on that person's rights. If I build and sell guns, I shouldn't have to ask for an ID or perform a background check according to your views. Now, I'm all for that. Are you?
Yepp there are inherent risks in being free. Sometimes the risks warrant restricting certain rights. I get that. With photo id i dont feel thats the case. Jmo.
I agree with that, although I wouldn't be opposed to a universal background check.
Interesting idea. I haven't really thought about utilizing technology in that way. I suspect some people would be paranoid about it being hacked though. If you're getting the photo taken at the DMV or a school, it wouldn't be that hard to get an id at the same time. I would have no problem with giving out a free voter id card while they are there.
You’re equating buying a gun to owning one. Once again seemingly a minor technicality but a huge factor in applying the constitution.
You can't own a gun without a license to possess it either (at least in MA).
It's an MA license. At the time I got it, it wasn't concealed carry, it was restricted to target and hunting use only, aka just the most basic form of ownership (I have since gotten the restrictions taken off and it is concealed carry)
Wow. I have voted in elections since 2006 and I have never once been asked for ID at the polls.
It's just another reason why yankees suck.
I have absolutely no idea, claims, or even opinion about photo id suppressing any minorities voting. I understand the logic behind the claims but i really dgaf about that aspect of it. To me its solely about whether or not our constitutional rights should be contingent upon having a valid photo id in your possession.
Because the only “work” you should have to do to be guaranteed your constitutional rights is to be a us citizen. Showing the initiative to get to the polls is enough. Or should be to me. I dont see this as a liberal vs con thing like everyone else seems to. And what party might or might not benefit is irrelevant when its our basic rights.
We already know that voting machines can be hacked too. We would need extensive protection for those technologies, but I don’t see any reason why it would be more vulnerable than a voting machine.
