OOTB's Political Thread . ..
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The same people who hate the government doing anything want the government to build the modern day equivalent of the Great Wall.
The same people who don’t trust the government to do this right want Medicare for all.
We live in amazing times
This is the lowest I could find, $135B a year. I'll welcome any numbers that anyone else could throw out.
https://www.fairus.org/issue/public...n-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers
If we can’t build a wall because of topographical limitations, how can we effectively monitor those areas with man power?
Hey, I'm more than willing to get rid of all social safety nets and preemptive wars, but I'm guessing that isn't going to ever happen, so we need to figure something out.
From your own link
“Unfortunately, the U.S. government has no central database containing information on the citizenship status of everyone lawfully present in the United States. The overall problem of estimating the illegal alien population is further complicated by the fact that the majority of available sources on immigration status rely on self-reported data. Given that illegal aliens have a motive to lie about their immigration status, in order to avoid discovery, the accuracy of these statistics is dubious, at best. All of the foregoing issues make it very difficult to assess the current illegal alien population of the United States.”
There was a whole lot I didn’t agree with in that article but let’s use that number.
No way this thing breaks even in 50 years.
I'm not sure what you're trying to insinuate? Is it that we can accomplish today what the Chinese accomplished centuries ago?
If both our numbers are correct, we break even in 14.81 years. In order for it to take fifty years the cost would have to be >$40B a year.
My number is not correct- there is no way it only costs $ 2 Trill. That number was extremely conservative.
Again I don’t care. They will just print more money.
Hey, I'm more than willing to get rid of all social safety nets and preemptive wars, but I'm guessing that isn't going to ever happen, so we need to figure something out.
I find it comforting. People decry social media and what not. I love it. Social media and the 24 hour news cycle shows me what I’m up against.
I’ll just keep shifting with the winds.
Here you go again shifting the conversation.
You’ve got two people from different political backgrounds in the same indtelling you the Wall won’t work. Instead of acknowledging that, you pivot
Oh hell no. I need to open up excel to get to the real number but I’m expecting over $6T.
How many miles?
Is this an argument from authority? I'm trying to work this out with the best-known knowledge. Why did you go from that to "you just don't know anything?"
That doesn’t account for man power on the wall. Repairs. Infasfrcture to access way points. Loss of productivity.
Also, it wouldn’t be 15 years. It’s not like cost of immigrants goes to $0 the moment construction is complete. (Not that construction would be ever be complete on this thing)
So, now your estimates have just tripled? I've tried to look at this objectively, but I just don't think that's possible. You're both in the contruction industry, and you both have a need for cheap labor. You have a vested interest in this conversation, and it's showing. I don't blame you for it. I'm just saying that it's there.
@UNC71-00 and I work in commercial construction. I have worked with the DEA, DOJ, SS, and DOD. He runs a concrete company that handles a shit ton of work. We understand comstruction costs and inefficiencies from the federal government.
Why do you seek to dismiss us rather than learn from us?
I just love how I've been expected to show all my numbers in this thread, while others have just required me to take their arguments at face value. Arguments that have drastically shifted since the beginning of the conversation.
Logistical costs alone would be absurd. How do you accomplish all of this in the middle of the desert?
I'm not trying to dismiss anyone. You just have a vested interest and your numbers have wildly fluctuated since the start of this conversation.
This is false. You can object to any of my numbers (and I will be happy to back them up.)
I don’t have a vested interest. Trust me when I say that I am the all time OOTB champion supporter of Trump.
But the wall is stupid from a financial POV.
I have no interest at this point. I'm sure you would come back with a $10T cost at this point. The funny thing is that I would rather go a different route than the wall. I would have accepted a consistent argument here, but that isn't going to happen.
And I said that if you want me to do all that, then I need to fire up Excel. The first calculation I will make is the dimension of the wall.
And to do that, you need to tell me how many miles.
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