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You are one seriously incohesive person. I never said anything about the parties not being able to change sides today. If a “leftist” is a fascist, then by definition they aren’t really a leftist.

If anything I've said is incoherent, it's probably because you haven't been keeping up. Political movements change, that's no secret. Case in point, Hillary is technically more fascist than Trump, since Fascism is really the combination of government and the private sector. It's basically what would be called corporatism nowadays or would have been called mercantilism in the past.
 
If anything I've said is incoherent, it's probably because you haven't been keeping up. Political movements change, that's no secret. Case in point, Hillary is technically more fascist than Trump, since Fascism is really the combination of government and the private sector. It's basically what would be called corporatism nowadays or would have been called mercantilism in the past.

Pretty much everything in this post is wrong.
 
If anything I've said is incoherent, it's probably because you haven't been keeping up. Political movements change, that's no secret. Case in point, Hillary is technically more fascist than Trump, since Fascism is really the combination of government and the private sector. It's basically what would be called corporatism nowadays or would have been called mercantilism in the past.
Trump is the embodiment of "the private sector and the government."
 
I don't know if this comment is aimed at me or not. I mean, I'm not @ticket2ride04 height but I'm also several inches taller than Napoleon was.

But that brings me to a thought. Why is the complex called "Napoleon complex"? He was 5'6"-5'7", which back in that day, was probably taller than the average man. I would understand if it were called the "Toulouse Lautrec complex". That would make sense.
I think the way Frenchmen measured was not inches or cm, so when he died, he was listed at 5'2" The myth grew from there. The average height of a french male in the period was 5'5'' and Napoleon was actually about 5'7''.

Also, Napoleon has kind of been semi-villanized by many, especially in America. But the dude was fighting to overthrow Tyranny in Europe. He wanted to depose the Monarchies (albeit installing his own people) but believed in a man earning is way in the world, not being gifted it.

Finally, he was a bad ass tactician and probably one of the 10 greatest generals in the history of the world. What he did with artillery and psychological warfare was damned impressive.
 
I think the way Frenchmen measured was not inches or cm, so when he died, he was listed at 5'2" The myth grew from there. The average height of a french male in the period was 5'5'' and Napoleon was actually about 5'7''.

Also, Napoleon has kind of been semi-villanized by many, especially in America. But the dude was fighting to overthrow Tyranny in Europe. He wanted to depose the Monarchies (albeit installing his own people) but believed in a man earning is way in the world, not being gifted it.

Finally, he was a bad ass tactician and probably one of the 10 greatest generals in the history of the world. What he did with artillery and psychological warfare was damned impressive.

Just another case of history being written by the victors, which is generally the oligarchs and the people who support them.
 
How so? He's been a politician for two years, and he obviously hasn't seen eye to eye with the banks or the general way the US conducts business.
He's held an elected office for two years. He has been a "politician" his whole life. By politician, I mean shyster.
 
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He claims dems willingly chose to do nothing about daca when they controlled all three branches of the govt. And since they’re critical of it now the implication is that they’re being hypocritical. Yet they never controlled all three branches when daca existed so that would make him a liar. I despise dem leadership as much as repub but i’m not gonna lie about either. Yes hes my president and yours. And hes a proven liar thousands of times over. So seems you’re sucking heez nutz.

DACA came into existence in 2012 because the Dems couldn't get anything passed prior to that. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.
 
He's held an elected office for two years. He has been a "politician" his whole life. By politician, I mean shyster.

You can't blame the guy for playing the game that he has no control over. This is the same type of argument that people made against Ron Paul's smaller government argument when they cried about how his district took more tax dollars than it sent. RP had no control over that. The rules of the game had already been established. He couldn't change them on his own. It was his job to take care of his constituents to the best of his ability and he did that.
 
I don't know if this comment is aimed at me or not. I mean, I'm not @ticket2ride04 height but I'm also several inches taller than Napoleon was.

But that brings me to a thought. Why is the complex called "Napoleon complex"? He was 5'6"-5'7", which back in that day, was probably taller than the average man. I would understand if it were called the "Toulouse Lautrec complex". That would make sense.

I mean, if the only argument someone has against you is an ad hominem one, then you're probably Van Damming him at every turn.
 
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You can't blame the guy for playing the game that he has no control over. This is the same type of argument that people made against Ron Paul's smaller government argument when they cried about how his district took more tax dollars than it sent. RP had no control over that. The rules of the game had already been established. He couldn't change them on his own. It was his job to take care of his constituents to the best of his ability and he did that.
No, it's not the same argument. And, even if it were the same argument? It's still the behavior of a shyster. He's been fvcking people over his entire life. He revels in it. He attracts other shysters to be complicit in his cons. The guy is crooked, so he fits right in with DC politics. He's DC politics on steroids. Please don't imply that Donald Trump is some virtuous outsider... he ain't.
 
No, it's not the same argument. And, even if it were the same argument? It's still the behavior of a shyster. He's been fvcking people over his entire life. He revels in it. He attracts other shysters to be complicit in his cons. The guy is crooked, so he fits right in with DC politics. He's DC politics on steroids. Please don't imply that Donald Trump is some virtuous outsider... he ain't.

I didn't say he was a moral human being, but it is the same argument.
 
I didn't say he was a moral human being, but it is the same argument.
No, it's not. Donald Trump is a bullshitter par excellence! He thrives on his ability to be a shyster. He has made a brand out of being a fraud.

Ron Paul's decision to get as much money as he could from the corrupt, broken system is also not one of his finer qualities and one of the more hypocritical aspects of his legacy. But, keep up that equivalent to make you feel warm about Trump's swampy card.
 
You realize there is a messaging system on this board, right? The rest of your post really doesn't have anything to do with what we're talking about. Whether you like it or not, it's a reality nowadays. A reality that the leftists started.

At least whoever went through his social media didn't find an instance from 2008 where he quoted rap lyrics and decided to use that to brand him a racist.
 
DACA came into existence in 2012 because the Dems couldn't get anything passed prior to that. I don't know why this is so difficult to understand.

Dang man he said dems chose not to do anything about daca when they controlled all branches when actually they didnt control all branches and daca didnt even exist in the years mentioned. Smh. Why is that so difficult to understand? Is this one of those “yea he said this but he ACTUALLY meant that” things again?
Y’all are wearing that one da fuq out.
 
This is why I laugh when Democrats call themselves "liberals". They're on the opposite end of the spectrum at this point.

100%. They must like the term "liberal" and think it reflects well on them. Because their general censorship is anything but liberal.

Sort of like the term "progressive". It sort of de facto implies progress towards something good. When in reality, a lot of their policies are progress towards something shitty.
 
Dang man he said dems chose not to do anything about daca when they controlled all branches when actually they didnt control all branches and daca didnt even exist in the years mentioned. Smh. Why is that so difficult to understand? Is this one of those “yea he said this but he ACTUALLY meant that” things again?
Y’all are wearing that one da fuq out.
You can't wear it out.
 
Lulz at Trump cancelling Pelosi's overseas trip!

If she actually wanted him to cancel the SOTU address, she's an absolute moron for asking him to do so. Now he'll do it just to spite her.

If she actually wants it to go on and asked him to cancel, then she's smarter than we thought.

I'm going with the first scenario.
 
If anything I've said is incoherent, it's probably because you haven't been keeping up. Political movements change, that's no secret. Case in point, Hillary is technically more fascist than Trump, since Fascism is really the combination of government and the private sector. It's basically what would be called corporatism nowadays or would have been called mercantilism in the past.

I would disagree. With both your point, and your re-definition of fascism. Who do you think you are, J Peterson?

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No, it's not. Donald Trump is a bullshitter par excellence! He thrives on his ability to be a shyster. He has made a brand out of being a fraud.

Ron Paul's decision to get as much money as he could from the corrupt, broken system is also not one of his finer qualities and one of the more hypocritical aspects of his legacy. But, keep up that equivalent to make you feel warm about Trump's swampy card.

You can scream it all you want, but you don't have to agree with the rules to play the game.
 
Dang man he said dems chose not to do anything about daca when they controlled all branches when actually they didnt control all branches and daca didnt even exist in the years mentioned. Smh. Why is that so difficult to understand? Is this one of those “yea he said this but he ACTUALLY meant that” things again?
Y’all are wearing that one da fuq out.

I'm wearing it out? You are the one going around screaming about Trump lying about something because he said 2008 instead of 2009 or whatever.

Trump's point is that the dems controlled everything for 2 years, had a super majority in the Senate (no filibuster) and still didn't do anything about immigration. Instead of addressing this, you choose to try to find the date some piece of legislation passed and use this as proof that Trump lied. Again, whatever.

(The correct counter to this would be that Trump didn't try to do anything about the wall either when he had the house- never even forced the Dems to filibuster)
 
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