Players taking a knee during The Song

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I found the mass protests in the London game funny. Can you imagine if an EPL game was being played in the USA, and both teams kneeled during the British anthem? What's the point of even playing the anthem in a foreign country if everyone there who it's supposedly being played for is protesting it?

 

[heelmanwilm]

Just play the damn anthem before the players come out. Prob solved

 

[strummingram]

Just play the damn anthem before the players come out. Prob solved

Or don't play it at all.

 

[Louigi]

If we need anymore proof of the media left wing bias (which we don't), contrast the media response to Tim Tebow praying after scoring to players kneeling during anthem now.

 

[prlyles]

 

[gunslingerdick]

This dude's jersey sales have skyrocketed in the last 24 hours.

 

[coryfly]

If we need anymore proof of the media left wing bias (which we don't), contrast the media response to Tim Tebow praying after scoring to players kneeling during anthem now.

I don't remember people having an issue with Tebow praying. I remember the media weighing the attention versus talent argument in much the same way they have discussed the attention versus talent argument with Kap.

 

[tarheel0910]

This dude's jersey sales have skyrocketed in the last 24 hours.

Got to recognize your audience. That's why owners won't be seen or heard from anymore when discussing this. They know who pays the bills and I'm sure all of the booing will scare them off. It's going to be interesting to see the TV numbers next week.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Imho

U cant support bakers for refusing to bake cakes for gay weddings then admonish teams or the nfl for allowing players to kneel. I dont like seeing them kneel but what i would like way way less is making them stand or punishing them for it. Its supposedly a free country. Idiot Trump has once again divided the country over an issue that has absolutely nothing to with the issues and policies that need fixing. IDGAF about the presidents take on statues and fake news and players kneeling. Get off your fuking computer and get to work.

 

[gunslingerdick]

U cant support bakers for refusing to bake cakes for gay weddings then admonish teams or the nfl for allowing players to kneel.

Sure you can, because...

Its supposedly a free country.

We get so caught up here on message boards with "logic" and "rationale". While I appreciate those things too, they're not required for living. Everyday people make decisions because of emotion and logic falls to the wayside. And especially when you're talking politics or social issues, emotion rules the day. You don't have to like it but you better prepare for it.

Got to recognize your audience. That's why owners won't be seen or heard from anymore when discussing this. They know who pays the bills and I'm sure all of the booing will scare them off. It's going to be interesting to see the TV numbers next week.

I completely agree. And honestly, I don't really have a problem with it. It's their business and they can run it anyway they see fit. I don't want to rehash the whole Donald Sterling thing but I was appalled by the way he was forced out. How un-American is that? Sure, I get that the owners voted on it but be real, he was squeezed out. The narrative was set (by the freakin' commissioner) and the other owners had no choice but to vote against Sterling or suffer similar treatment. He should have been allowed to continue his ownership and suffer the "natural" consequences of his beliefs. But then that would have required his critics to actually have some conviction and stop going to Clippers' games. But I digress.

Yes, owners will cater to their audiences as they should. That's who's paying the bills. Look at the stance the NASCAR team owners took. Can you imagine the uproar from their following if they allowed these "protests"? I think they also saw it as a chance to take some viewership away from the NFL so it was a smart marketing ploy as well.

 

[gteeitup]

@gunslingerdick nascar is by and large his base...and the responses from car owners that pay crew members basically sounds like they're holding their employment over their head if they decided not to stand.

 

[heelmanwilm]

There are few things as un american and spit in the constitution-ish as REQUIRING employees to behave a certain way re the anthem. That is fuking communistic, dictatorship-like BULL SHIT. Evidently neck-car thinks its a free country just so long as u agree with beer bellied middle aged white men wearing camo overalls and hell bent on getting colon cancer.

 

[nctransplant]

So how many of you folks think Buzz Williams was wrong for what he did last year concerning the anthem and his players?

 

[toophly1124]

hell bent on getting colon cancer.

Wait what?

 

[gunslingerdick]

There are few things as un american and spit in the constitution-ish as REQUIRING employees to behave a certain way.

When at work, no, it's not un-American at all to require people to behave a certain way. People have to wear uniforms at certain jobs. Other jobs provide exact scripts as to what people should say when speaking to customers. On your day off, you can be whatever you want to be. When you're employed, you behave as the employer wants you to. Or you find a different job.

 

[gunslingerdick]

@gunslingerdick nascar is by and large his base....

Who's base?

 

[UNC71-00]

Wait what?

I know- I need more here.

 

[gunslingerdick]

So how many of you folks think Buzz Williams was wrong for what he did last year concerning the anthem and his players?

Let's remind everyone what Buzz did. For the record, I loved it and it made me dislike VT less.

 

[gunslingerdick]

@gunslingerdick.and the responses from car owners that pay crew members basically sounds like they're holding their employment over their head if they decided not to stand.

It's the car owner's team. Those guys driving and working on the cars are a representation of that owner. He can absolutely require his representatives to represent him in the manner he sees appropriate.

Am I crazy for thinking this? This seems like common sense to me. I can't believe there is pushback to business owners requiring that their employees act a certain way. This is what is called "the real world" in my book.

 

[Raising Heel]

The biggest reason all this is ridiculous is because the supposed issue isn't an issue. It's a fabricated issue. What are these folks actually protesting? Inequality? Get real. Minorities have every opportunity anyone else has if not more. We have put things in place to ensure this.

Opportunity and equality are not the same thing.

You seem to be suggesting racial inequality doesn't exist in this country.

 

[Raising Heel]

Those of us who served and gave did not do so in order that [someone] could express his civil rights....

I've typed and deleted a half dozen replies to this because none of them adequately addressed how mind-bending this comment is.

 

[tarheel0910]

Am I crazy for thinking this? This seems like common sense to me. I can't believe there is pushback to business owners requiring that their employees act a certain way. This is what is called "the real world" in my book.

You're not crazy for thinking that. They are a private company so they can do what they want (the exception being race, gender, etc. discrimination). That's the risk you take when working for a non government entity.

 

[gunslingerdick]

You seem to be suggesting racial inequality doesn't exist in this country.

I think its existence is grossly exaggerated.

 

[gteeitup]

It's the car owner's team. Those guys driving and working on the cars are a representation of that owner. He can absolutely require his representatives to represent him in the manner he sees appropriate.

Am I crazy for thinking this? This seems like common sense to me. I can't believe there is pushback to business owners requiring that their employees act a certain way. This is what is called "the real world" in my book.

can you tell me who else is requiring their employees, on a national stage, to stand up during the anthem?

and if you can, did the potus acknowledge such and then say "they aren't disrespecting our flag"?

that's his wheelhouse, he's firing up his base...i see it now as dividing professional sports fandoms.

 

[gunslingerdick]

can you tell me who else is requiring their employees, on a national stage, to stand up during the anthem?
.

No. I can't. But I think it's irrelevant who and how many are doing it.

and if you can, did the potus acknowledge such and then say "they aren't disrespecting our flag"?

that's his wheelhouse, he's firing up his base...i see it now as dividing professional sports fandoms.

Honestly, I've tuned Trump out. I don't listen to much of anything he says until I read someone here in meltdown mode about the most recent Trump gaffe. I agree that his persistent needling about this is certainly exasperating the situation and the "sons of bitches comment was anything but Presidential.

 

[gteeitup]

i could be looking for too much...just an odd tweet, especially after the tweets about sob's and uninviting nba players.

wait, which was odd?...i don't know anymore.

 

[heelmanwilm]

When at work, no, it's not un-American at all to require people to behave a certain way. People have to wear uniforms at certain jobs. Other jobs provide exact scripts as to what people should say when speaking to customers. On your day off, you can be whatever you want to be. When you're employed, you behave as the employer wants you to. Or you find a different job.

Your response is non sequitar since U cut off my quote about behaving certain way RE THE ANTHEM. To require employees to behave in a certain manner RE THE ANTHEM shows abject ignorance of what being an american is all about. “Respect the anthem the way i want u to or you’re fired?”? Hell fuking no.

 

[Archer2]

Amen, Gun.

 

[heelmanwilm]

Wait what?

Due to their prepensity for consuming dead cows and pigs several times a day

 

[nctransplant]

Due to their prepensity for consuming dead cows and pigs several times a day

For the record I eat dead cow and pork everyday and the doc just told me I had the colon of a 20 year.

 

[tarheel0910]

Your response is non sequitar since U cut off my quote about behaving certain way RE THE ANTHEM. To require employees to behave in a certain manner RE THE ANTHEM shows abject ignorance of what being an american is all about. “Respect the anthem the way i want u to or you’re fired?”? Hell fuking no.

So it's un-American for a private company to tell their employees what they can/can't do, but it is American to tell a person who owns a private company what they can/can't do? Interesting.

Due to their prepensity for consuming dead cows and pigs several times a day

Why don't you and @gteeitup go eat some grass and STFU.

 

[heelmanwilm]

For the record I eat dead cow and pork everyday and the doc just told me I had the colon of a 20 year.

Better give it back. They’re prob missing it.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Your response is non sequitar since U cut off my quote about behaving certain way RE THE ANTHEM. To require employees to behave in a certain manner RE THE ANTHEM shows abject ignorance of what being an american is all about. “Respect the anthem the way i want u to or you’re fired?”? Hell fuking no.

So is the anthem the only thing that's off limits for employers or are there others? I'm going to need a list so I can keep up with all these exceptions in case any of my staff start doing things I don't like.

 

[gunslingerdick]

So it's un-American for a private company to tell their employees what they can/can't do, but it is American to tell a person who owns a private company what they can/can't do? Interesting.

 

[nctransplant]

Better give it back. They’re prob missing it.

Nope

 

[heelmanwilm]

So it's un-American for a private company to tell their employees what they can/can't do, but it is American to tell a person who owns a private company what they can/can't do? Interesting.


Why don't you and @gteeitup go eat some grass and STFU.

Once again, leaving out “re the anthem” concerning telling employees what to do renders your post meaningless. This is about behaving a certain way REGARDING THE ANTHEM.

 

[nctransplant]

Once again, leaving out “re the anthem” concerning telling employees what to do renders your post meaningless. This is about behaving a certain way REGARDING THE ANTHEM.

For the record my High School athletes must stand, hand over heart, without talking during the national anthem before games. And today is AMERICA day at our school. And we say the pledge of allegiance every morning. So suck it!

 

[heelmanwilm]

So you’re gonna be a rw christian patriotic flag pin wearing clean cut republican or you’re fired!!!

Lol

Gotcha indeed

 

[uncboy10]

So is the anthem the only thing that's off limits for employers or are there others? I'm going to need a list so I can keep up with all these exceptions in case any of my staff start doing things I don't like.

Should employers be able to force employees to behave in a certain way, even if that behavior has nothing to do with their ability to do their job, or the company's ability to function?

 

[gunslingerdick]

Once again, leaving out “re the anthem” concerning telling employees what to do renders your post meaningless. This is about behaving a certain way REGARDING THE ANTHEM.

But if the anthem is a part of their employment (like with all professional athletes), a business owner still should be represented by his employees the way he wants to be represented. You keep saying "in regards to the anthem" but I'm over here wondering how that's any different than the clothes each employee is required to wear. Big deal? It's the anthem. If my boss wants me to sing it a capella, then I better have been taking lessons.