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For the record my High School athletes must stand, hand over heart, without talking during the national anthem before games. And today is AMERICA day at our school. And we say the pledge of allegiance every morning. So suck it!

Gfy. My posts have been about private employers requiring employees to behave a certain way. Do u know th diffference? U can make em tie ribbons round their dicks and dance around the fire for all i care. You’re not an employer.
 
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Gfy. My posts have been about private employers requiring employees to behave a certain way. Do u know th diffference? U can make em tie ribbons round their dicks and dance around the fire for all i care. You’re not an employer.
Well I coach girls now so the dick thing probably wouldn't work. Settle down a little just making a point.

I just thought about boobie tassels but I'd probably get fired.
 
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Its a matter of principle not specific examples. I'm well aware of the semantics games you play, and have no interest in watching this devolve into a discussion about the flaws of that specific example instead of addressing the actual issue at hand.

If an employee's behavior doesn't effect his ability to do his job, and doesn't effect the bottom line of the company, then why should an employer care? And what right would they have to make demands with regards to that behavior?
 
But if the anthem is a part of their employment (like with all professional athletes), a business owner still should be represented by his employees the way he wants to be represented. You keep saying "in regards to the anthem" but I'm over here wondering how that's any different than the clothes each employee is required to wear. Big deal? It's the anthem. If my boss wants me to sing it a capella, then I better have been taking lessons.

And if your boss wants u to do that then hes no better than a communist dictator and doesnt have a ****ing clue about the constitution or being an american.
 
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Once again, leaving out “re the anthem” concerning telling employees what to do renders your post meaningless. This is about behaving a certain way REGARDING THE ANTHEM.
No it doesn't. I was saying you can't pick and choose what right that employer has just because it offends you. The offends you part is regarding the anthem.
 
Would you bench a player for not complying with your demands re: the anthem?
Yes, plus I would catch hell from my administration if they acted disrespectful of the anthem.

When I coached American Legion in NC during the State Tourney if players didn't stand absolutely still the Tourney directors would pull them from the line-up.
 
Yes, plus I would catch hell from my administration if they acted disrespectful of the anthem.

When I coached American Legion in NC during the State Tourney if players didn't stand absolutely still the Tourney directors would pull them from the line-up.

Then you have no business coaching at a public school. I hope its a private school you coach at.
 
You don't think these protest have an effect on the bottom line?

Holy shit. Please read the part of my post where I said that my argument had nothing to do with specific examples and was about the principle. I never said protests don't affect the bottom line. I was trying to figure out where GSD draws the line on employer authority.
 
I have absolutely no clue what color any of you dip sh!ts are and could care less.
I'm a middle-class heterosexual white male. I have no perspective to offer on the subject of racial inequality because mine is a life of ease. That's why I value the opinion of people with first-hand experience on the matter rather than just dismissing them offhand.
 
I'm a middle-class heterosexual white male. I have no perspective to offer on the subject of racial inequality because mine is a life of ease. That's why I value the opinion of people with first-hand experience on the matter rather than just dismissing them offhand.
I'm not a poor gay black woman, but I don't have a life of ease. If you want some perspective on that then I'm your man.
 
I'm a middle-class heterosexual white male. I have no perspective to offer on the subject of racial inequality because mine is a life of ease. That's why I value the opinion of people with first-hand experience on the matter rather than just dismissing them offhand.
I'm not dismissive of them either but I also recognize that there are black people that believe in taking responsibility for their own lives and actions. Examples such as Charles Barkley and Thomas Sowell.
 
I'm a middle-class heterosexual white male. I have no perspective to offer on the subject of racial inequality because mine is a life of ease. That's why I value the opinion of people with first-hand experience on the matter rather than just dismissing them offhand.
I'm not a poor gay black woman, but I don't have a life of ease. If you want some perspective on that then I'm your man.
Both of these perspectives have merits and are accurate. And, they're really not in opposition to one another. Find common ground, it's there.
 
Not to change the subject too drastically but is Donald Trump ever going to do a damn thing about the humanitarian crisis in Puerto Rico which currently includes 3.5 million U.S. citizens being deprived of basic things such as medicine, food and drinking water, electricity, and telecommunications?

This national anthem debate seems rather trivial compared to the ongoing suffering at one of our closest territories (although it serves as a great diversion for our leader).
 
Not to change the subject too drastically but is Donald Trump ever going to do a damn thing about the humanitarian crisis in Puerto Rico which currently includes 3.5 million U.S. citizens being deprived of basic things such as medicine, food and drinking water, electricity, and telecommunications?

This national anthem debate seems rather trivial compared to the ongoing suffering at one of our closest territories (although it serves as a great diversion for our leader).

not much on twitter either...very strange
 
Its a matter of principle not specific examples. I'm well aware of the semantics games you play, and have no interest in watching this devolve into a discussion about the flaws of that specific example instead of addressing the actual issue at hand.

If an employee's behavior doesn't effect his ability to do his job, and doesn't effect the bottom line of the company, then why should an employer care? And what right would they have to make demands with regards to that behavior?

If you don't believe these anthem protests are affecting the bottom line, then you're not paying attention.
 
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If this is true, it makes perfect sense now. And, I'm glad it has backfired and caused controversy.
 
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A black poaster on this very board told you how racial inequality affects his everyday life. You told him you "hoped" he was the exception and then proceeded to describe how it can never be fixed anyway.

That does sound like me. But I don't remember it.

Would it make any difference if I found a black guy that told me it's never affected him? How about 10 black folks that said the same?
 
Not to change the subject too drastically but is Donald Trump ever going to do a damn thing about the humanitarian crisis in Puerto Rico which currently includes 3.5 million U.S. citizens being deprived of basic things such as medicine, food and drinking water, electricity, and telecommunications?

This national anthem debate seems rather trivial compared to the ongoing suffering at one of our closest territories (although it serves as a great diversion for our leader).
https://www.fema.gov/news-release/2017/09/21/hurricane-maria-response-and-relief-operations-underway
 
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That's the biggest problem with Trump. Anything good and/or responsible he does he offsets it by doing/saying/tweeting something stupid. If someone would just take his phone charger he might be able to get more accomplished.
I don't think he would get more accomplished. But, he would get less flack and unfavorable press.
 
That's the biggest problem with Trump. Anything good and/or responsible he does he offsets it by doing/saying/tweeting something stupid. If someone would just take his phone charger he might be able to get more accomplished.
I agree he needs to put down the phone and back away. But you will also notice the "crickets" when someone points out the good he has done, like my above poast.
 
Besides the actions FEMA is taking -- which is actually standard procedure under these circumstances -- what message does Donald Trump have for those affected? So far, mum's the word. No words of assurance or comfort, no public acknowledgement of the suffering and devastation.

Even Bush made a concerted, if flawed, effort in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Will this be Trump's Katrina? It's beginning to look that way.
 
Besides the actions FEMA is taking, what message does Donald Trump have for those affected? So far, mum's the word. No words of assurance or comfort, no public acknowledgement of the suffering and devastation.

Even Bush made a concerted, if flawed, effort in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Will this be Trump's Katrina? It's beginning to look that way.
You didn't ask for message in your original post, you asked about action. I gave you action. He could cure cancer and you'd bitch and moan.
 
When at work, no, it's not un-American at all to require people to behave a certain way. People have to wear uniforms at certain jobs. Other jobs provide exact scripts as to what people should say when speaking to customers. On your day off, you can be whatever you want to be. When you're employed, you behave as the employer wants you to. Or you find a different job.

Curt Schilling endorses this viewpoint. You know, the guy that ESPN fired for making remarks on his Twitter account, his PERSONAL twitter account. He wasn't even pushing his opinions on company time, yet he was fired for his comments. As long as that happens, this behavior is absolutely within the bounds of your employer to regulate.
 
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You didn't ask for message in your original post, you asked about action. I gave you action. He could cure cancer and you'd bitch and moan.
No, I asked when Trump is going to do something and sending a message is action. Addressing the issue publicly is action. Allowing government agencies to proceed with their standard operating procedures is little more than entirely handing off the job to someone else.
 


What's funny about that meme is that the Americans look disgruntled while the North Koreans look like they're having a blast (even though the Americans clearly have it made in the shade by comparison). Obviously I get the point of the meme. But the meme creator should have used different pictures. Not a well done meme.
 
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