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We're already going to have White and Leaky on the wings though. Combine that with combo PG's like Felton and Woods. And B Rob.
We're loaded on the wing through 2018.
Give me a big inside the top 100, which we won't have once Tony leaves.
Thanks for clarifying, interesting discussion. I am seeing a bit of both sides. We already have White, Black, Kenny, Seventh, B-Rob to play the wings for 2018, and probably all of those guys besides Kenny for 2019. Is Jairus Hamilton a 3 at UNC (that's what I take it you mean when you say "wing"), and if so do we take him? Seems to me like we are short on 4's. This is assuming one of Manley or Huffman becomes a quality center. Even if they do though, I still think a top big man is a take (of course it sounds like everyone agrees on that, just the supply is the issue).
Yep. Cycles and stuff...
Can you conjure up an elite 18 Big in your lab? If not then there's your answer.
All I want to know is why we're making Hamilton take a backseat to Zion.
As far as bigs in 2018, I'm not gonna buy into the idea that Huffman/Manley/Brooks are ready to go by their sophomore year until evidence says otherwise. I'd take a mid-level 4 * guy in 2018 vs spinning the roulette wheel with guys ranked lower than Maye was (excluding Brooks, obviously).
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. Tired of Roy chasing rainbows with these recruits that end up wasting his time.
As far as bigs in 2018, I'm not gonna buy into the idea that Huffman/Manley/Brooks are ready to go by their sophomore year until evidence says otherwise. I'd take a mid-level 4 * guy in 2018 vs spinning the roulette wheel with guys ranked lower than Maye was (excluding Brooks, obviously).
A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. Tired of Roy chasing rainbows with these recruits that end up wasting his time.
1. Says who?
2. He's recruiting as he should be, the best of the best that fit the "Carolina" profile, along with 3-4 years guys that also fit the profile.
Emmitt Williams, Bol Bol, De Sousa, McCormack.
Don't need a lab, they were all being watched by Roy this past weekend.
Maybe the plan is to play Zion Williamson and/or Hamilton (if we are lucky to get one or both) at the 4 spot.
But Rose they are in our hands. Lets see what they can do until we pluck those birds...
Yea Hamilton reminds me more of 3/4 Marvin Williams type guy. Good spot up shooter but isn't gonna get you off the dribble most often.
And if one of those bigs wants to come and Roy offers, then we'll sign one of them. I defer to Roy when it comes to who we should offer. He has a little better grasp of what the team needs than I do. If he could sign a sure fire top 20 big man, I'm pretty certain he would. If not, he may feel comfortable with the big men we have on the roster.
Optimally, Tony returns and we can bring Brooks/Huffman/Manley along a little more slowly. And by the next year, Brooks or Huffman should be ready to start alongside a senior Luke. If Tony doesn't return, we'll throw Brooks and Huffman into the crucible of the ACC and find out what kind of metal they're made of. Then Roy will know if he really does need to sign a '18 big man or not. He has time to figure it out.
Optimally, Tony returns and we can bring Brooks/Huffman/Manley along a little more slowly. And by the next year, Brooks or Huffman should be ready to start alongside a senior Luke. If Tony doesn't return, we'll throw Brooks and Huffman into the crucible of the ACC and find out what kind of metal they're made of. Then Roy will know if he really does need to sign a '18 big man or not. He has time to figure it out.
So 5 top 60 wings isn't enough?
Oh and don't tell Isaiah and Kennedy that, for some reason they're convinced that they both came up HUGE in the Final Four.
1. Says the fact we've seen Zion more in the past 2 weeks than we have Hamilton in the past 2 months.
2. I find it pretty interesting how this board talks about how we want "guys who want to be in UNC blue", yet when we have those guys almost in our back pockets, we sleep behind the wheel. If this scandal hurts us so much, for what reason are we moving like we've got no cares in the world regarding the 2018 class? Hell, the last offer made was Langford back in freaking August.
If we secured Hamilton, we could basically wrap it up and call it a class. At the very least, focus the rest of our attention on a top 30 big.
IMO, Hoard doesn't get an offer. If anything it's Zion or Hamilton, and that's depending on if you actually believe we have a shot with Zion.
Hamilton was offered January of "last year".
Zion was offered in July.
Why hasn't Hamilton committed? He was the 2nd 2018 offer after Leaky Black
He has received plenty love over the last 15 months.
C'mon Mike, this board goes down this road every year on the offseason. Everyone knows it. But the fact is: until Roy actually swings that high calibre recruit (for example, Knox), those question will remain.
We can claim Brooks and Manley are the next John Collins and Kris Lang or whomever, but this is completely new territory.
Roy proved all the naysayers who tried to question his coaching with this title. Actions speak louder than words.
And in that same span, Hamilton has visited UNC more times in the last 2 months than Zion has since he was offered. Yet we've gone to see him twice since the national championship.
Maybe because we've prioritized a guy who basically has us on the back burner? Do you think because he hasn't committed yet, we should focus on a guy who seemingly has less interest?
Not sure how you classify "plenty of love", but compared to the time spent on Zion, there's no comparison. Roy went to see Zion twice after the national championship, ffs.
Why hasn't Zion committed yet?
Just curious as how everyone knows every trip, phone call, and visit Roy has taken. Maybe he has made moves without everyone's knowledge. I'm just saying there is no way people on this board KNOW what he has been doing or what he has been told. IMO
I never claimed I knew any of that information. I do know how to process the information available to me, as well as using previous experiences to form my own opinions.
And THAT will not be possible with the NCAA dark cloud lurking over us and other sleazy coaching using negative recruiting tactic now will it?
Roy has been masterful guiding us through this whole mess.
I just don't understand why some of our fans just automatically assume that none of our recruits will improve over time to fill whatever roles that our team needs?....Instead, some of us seem to want to throw our guys under the bus as if they are some kind of scrub player that we signed out of desperation because the perceived top shelf guys chose to play somewhere else?....I like any other Tar Heel fan wants our staff to get the best talent that they can find but if those kids don't want to come here...Then, I say to hell with them, and will always support the kids that do want to be at Carolina...
Just don't understand that logic, and glad that our current players don't listen to some of our fans who think they don't have , or never will have what it takes to potentially grow and improve as a player because they didn't have another star or two beside their name when they chose to come to Carolina?
I'm personally glad that we got the kids that we have, and look forward to how they progress....Just like I have with ANY High school basketball player that chooses to wear the Baby Blue!
Go Tar Heels!
Just don't understand that logic, and glad that our current players don't listen to some of our fans who think they don't have , or never will have what it takes to potentially grow and improve as a player because they didn't have another star or two beside their name when they chose to come to Carolina?
I'm personally glad that we got the kids that we have, and look forward to how they progress....Just like I have with ANY High school basketball player that chooses to wear the Baby Blue!
Go Tar Heels!
I'm not saying you did Roseheel. Just some on here showing frustration for something that they don't absolutely know what Roy has done. Roy has coached a long time so I'm sure he has learned some tricks on what to do and not do that we will never know as far as getting his players. Before all this junk started many considered Roy the best recruiter in the business
But you blaming Roy is just wrong. It's the scandal. And if you need me to explain again why that ties into literally every recruit...I'm not going to again.
You mean we're not privy to every single step Roy makes on the recruiting trail? Oh, the horror!
In 2016, which was once considered the heaviest of the "dark cloud", we through out offers at nearly anyone who asked for one. If the father of your aunt's third cousin removed was a fan of UNC as a 10 year old, you got an offer (Obvious Hyperbole, but you get the point). We landed our best class since this "Dark Cloud" had begun.
We had no business landing the class we did in 2016. But we changed the formula and, lo and behold, it actually worked. Instead of using what works, we returned back to our selective tactics in 2017 and didn't land a single one of our elite targets after Felton. 2018 is already shaping up to look the same with our last offer being in August of 2016.
Don't know about the rest of y'all, but that certainly makes me scratch my head.
I don't need you to explain anything. Just as I'm not going to explain why I'm not blaming Roy for the scandal for the umpteenth time. Point has been written in response to Mike.
Gotta get me one of those! Now, if I can just score some Ralph Sampson DNA...3D printer gary?
Pretty sure Roy knows what he's doing in regards to recruiting. My advice is to try to keep your blood pressure down & quit sweating it.
Can't wait for you to start slobbering Emmitt Williams once you actually start paying attention to him.
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