I think Phil would have been a great coach Billy but he simply had one too many events. Minus his last one, he would be in line to become our next Coach.
Roy's Health....Next Coach
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Said it awhile back and someone alluded to it earlier..Mark Turgeon
Disciple of Roy, head coach of a big time top ten and now NON conference team IF ROY/ Bubba called and asked him, I strongly believe he would say yes
Disciple of Roy, head coach of a big time top ten and now NON conference team IF ROY/ Bubba called and asked him, I strongly believe he would say yes
Sure am glad the "powers that be" didn't take that attitude with Dean.
In Dean's situation it was a different time and a different place. UNC was embroiled in issues far worse than AFAM and Coach McGuire sent Dean before the NCAA to answer the charges. Dean availed himself so well in his presentation to the NCAA (even though we still got probation) that after McGuire resigned Dean was offered the job by Chancellor Aycock on McGuire's recommendation. After the point shaving scandal UNC and moo were only allowed 2 OOC games and they had to be played in state. Aycock told Dean run a clean program and represent the university well , wins and losses are an afterthought. No big time TV or ESPN pulling the strings back then.
Sorry Dunk, but Brown cannot be on any list. The guy is a very, very good coach but he's got a rep that just won't wash.... esp after the AFAM stuff.
Yes, agreed. Dean was a coach without much of a pedigree that ended up being an amazing head coach. There are a lot more coaches without pedigrees that end up flailing out of coaching existence after a couple years, and leave those programs worse off than when they got the job.
UNC caught lightning in a bottle with Dean.... what are the chances of doing it again? I'm just saying I prefer more of a "sure thing". Again... if there's something I'm missing where Hubert has something that indicates he can be a head coach at a blue blood program, I'm all ears.
He's 75 Years Old...that is enough to eliminate him now even if he was squeaky clean.
Someone mentioned King Rice. Don't forget there are a ton of former Heels in coaching right now:
Scott Cherry has done a very good job at High Point and Wes has toiled very hard at UNCG. Neither are big time programs so it's hard to evaluate how they'd go under the scorching spotlight at UNC.
Still, I'm hoping there's at least a few years to really think about this.... Get well Roy!
Scott Cherry has done a very good job at High Point and Wes has toiled very hard at UNCG. Neither are big time programs so it's hard to evaluate how they'd go under the scorching spotlight at UNC.
Still, I'm hoping there's at least a few years to really think about this.... Get well Roy!
He may need to win a little more than he has to date, but a name I haven't seen mentioned yet is Fran McCaffery. He's only 56, is really just getting rolling in his HC career, played in the ACC for a year, and has improved rapidly every program he has taken over. He'd be a Fedora like hire.
Yeah maybe but IMO, we missed out on a GREAT and I mean darn near legendary coach when they did not offer the job to Phil. I have said many times, when the job was offered to Matt and again when it was offerred to Roy after Matt, there was ONLY 1 guy I wanted as our head coach more than Roy, that guy was Phil Ford. Man, when Roy steps down, I would have no problem at all with Phil getting the job, yeah, he turned 60 this week, I know.
King Rice is going to be a hot commodity after the NCAA tournament. Monmouth is going to surprise some and win a couple games in the tourney. I see a lot of Dean's type coaching in Rice. He could be a excellent choice in few years.
Franny has a national top 25 HS freshman son
I'm from Iowa but love the Heels..lets just let it play out--I think Roys here another 3-4 years anyway.
I'm from Iowa but love the Heels..lets just let it play out--I think Roys here another 3-4 years anyway.
Only thing about Fran McCaffery is he is only 4 years younger than Roy, I am more along the lines of going alot younger.
@gary-7 why are you so sold on Hubert what does he show you that makes you think he is the one for the job!
IMO I think Hubert would be in over his head Dough was in over his head and he had alot of years of asst. Coaching and some head coach experience Hubert has what 4 years as an asst and none as a head coach!
This job requires a seasoned coach that can handle the ins and outs of dealing with a fan base that expected greatness.
Hubert's situation has zero to do with Doherty. Doh had head coaching experience but it didn't matter. His ego was bigger than his abilities, and he ultimately failed because he did NOT adopt what he should have learned from Dean and Roy. Roy had no HC experience when he got the Kansas job but he had sense enough to emulate the master,
I don't know if Hubert will be the right guy or not. What I DO kinow is that nobody outside the Dean Smith tree (AND true believers in his system) should ever guide UNC basketball.
I still believe Hubert is being groomed for the next HC at UNC ...
Shaka Smart at UNC .. I just don't see him leaving TX for UNC more like KU or KY
Brad Stevens he looks like a K replacement at Dook ... I figure Capel has that one sealed now
Lets just cross that bridge when we arrive at it ..... Go Heels !
Shaka Smart at UNC .. I just don't see him leaving TX for UNC more like KU or KY
Brad Stevens he looks like a K replacement at Dook ... I figure Capel has that one sealed now
Lets just cross that bridge when we arrive at it ..... Go Heels !
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Who in the Hlell are you to insult Hubert Davis?? He is becoming a very good Coach...
Just where do you get off insinuating that Roy Williams is going to retire...???
It's not an insult it's JMHO that's all, I just have a hard time wrapping my head around pulling a guy out of an espn booth naming him an asst. coach and then head coach of the biggest and best program in the country just because he played for Carloina, it don't make since!
He has nothing to base weather or not he can coach if let's say Roy coaches another 5 year and he works under him then I would feel a little more comfortable with him but right now he's not ready.
Here's my question why Hubert?
Why not MJ I mean if they are going to just grab a name out of the UNC former player grab bag why not Mike I mean he only has 4 years less coaching experience than Hubert and who is a better Carolina player to coach the Heels than the GOAT.
That's just one could name 40 more so like I said what Hubert?
Right now personally I think Jerod Haase. He is doing a good job at UAB and they are trending up. I see a lot of potential in that guy. He will be a HC somewhere in P5 within the next 2 years.
Haase also would be a young fresh thinking coach that is already extremely familiar with the system Roy runs. I think he would make the most seamless transition. I hope UNC goes young so I could see Rice as a possibility as well if he continues to show well. Guy like Turgeon in 4 years will be too old IMO. I want a 20-30 year long term tenure guy. Quality and stability are the keys to maintaining the program.
Haase also would be a young fresh thinking coach that is already extremely familiar with the system Roy runs. I think he would make the most seamless transition. I hope UNC goes young so I could see Rice as a possibility as well if he continues to show well. Guy like Turgeon in 4 years will be too old IMO. I want a 20-30 year long term tenure guy. Quality and stability are the keys to maintaining the program.
You make it sound like it's going to be done TODAY and it ain't. How good will Hubert be as a HC 5-6 years down the road? Ain't a soul here knows BUT many of us feel like he will be a good one just as many had the same feeling about Phil me included. He has also been gone from ESPN for a while now, give him a little credit.
The hard part of discussing this is that we don't know who will have shown when it is time to fill the job. We could speculate in the form of what if it had to occur after this season but things change and perceptions change.
I will say, right now, not sure there is a tree member that is ready for this job. A MAJOR mistake Baddour and the chancellor (Moeser I believe) made in their search was they did not listen to Dean Smith, I prefer to listen to the way Dean saw things. Dean felt that outside of Roy and Larry that no one else was ready for the job and the chancellor refused to even talk to Larry. I do believe that a couple years later Dean regretted not fighting harder for Phil to be considered but there were reasons at the time that made Dean feel the pressure of the job would be more than Phil could handle considering where Phil was at the time. Dean was strong in his position, if Roy did not take the job that it should go to a guy outside the UNC family tree and the guy Dean suggested was Rick Majarues (sp) coach at Utah I believe at the time. But Baddour and the chancellor demanded it stay within the UNC family and that sole decision resulted in a mega mistake of Matt being named our head coach. That single decision nearly destroyed UNC basketball, few know exactly how bad it was, I was shared some very solid inside information and saw just exactly how bad things became. What I was shared I can not discuss but it was straight from the bench and it was accurate. That for me was the darkest time in my many years of enjoying UNC basketball, yeah, worse than this AFAM stuff. And all of that brought on because the AD and chancellor at the time felt UNC fans demanded their next coach come from the family tree, I do not want such a thing to ever happen again. Matt had 1yr of head coaching experience before being named our head coach and the job crushed him and nearly our program. Had it not been for Roy...
So when the time does come to replace Roy, I want the very best fit for the job no matter if he has UNC ties or not. When they put on that UNC uniform they will play UNC basketball, UNC basketball is not now played like Dean coached it to be played, Roy isn't Dean. I want a guy that can recruit, teach & develope talent, and run a clean program. If King or Haas, or Hubert are ready by then cool, not sure they are ready right now but King is really doing some nice things, I especially like how he draws energy from his guys on the bench, to often I see a camera pan to our bench and it looks like a funeral service so gloomy. I think at times the guys in the game draw off some of that energy King's bench fellas give and I like that a lot.It isn't something dean would have done but todays players are different than they were in Dean's time as a coach.
I will say, right now, not sure there is a tree member that is ready for this job. A MAJOR mistake Baddour and the chancellor (Moeser I believe) made in their search was they did not listen to Dean Smith, I prefer to listen to the way Dean saw things. Dean felt that outside of Roy and Larry that no one else was ready for the job and the chancellor refused to even talk to Larry. I do believe that a couple years later Dean regretted not fighting harder for Phil to be considered but there were reasons at the time that made Dean feel the pressure of the job would be more than Phil could handle considering where Phil was at the time. Dean was strong in his position, if Roy did not take the job that it should go to a guy outside the UNC family tree and the guy Dean suggested was Rick Majarues (sp) coach at Utah I believe at the time. But Baddour and the chancellor demanded it stay within the UNC family and that sole decision resulted in a mega mistake of Matt being named our head coach. That single decision nearly destroyed UNC basketball, few know exactly how bad it was, I was shared some very solid inside information and saw just exactly how bad things became. What I was shared I can not discuss but it was straight from the bench and it was accurate. That for me was the darkest time in my many years of enjoying UNC basketball, yeah, worse than this AFAM stuff. And all of that brought on because the AD and chancellor at the time felt UNC fans demanded their next coach come from the family tree, I do not want such a thing to ever happen again. Matt had 1yr of head coaching experience before being named our head coach and the job crushed him and nearly our program. Had it not been for Roy...
So when the time does come to replace Roy, I want the very best fit for the job no matter if he has UNC ties or not. When they put on that UNC uniform they will play UNC basketball, UNC basketball is not now played like Dean coached it to be played, Roy isn't Dean. I want a guy that can recruit, teach & develope talent, and run a clean program. If King or Haas, or Hubert are ready by then cool, not sure they are ready right now but King is really doing some nice things, I especially like how he draws energy from his guys on the bench, to often I see a camera pan to our bench and it looks like a funeral service so gloomy. I think at times the guys in the game draw off some of that energy King's bench fellas give and I like that a lot.It isn't something dean would have done but todays players are different than they were in Dean's time as a coach.
Fran is 56, Roy is 65. But I hear your point, I wouldn't mind going younger as well. Just like the guy.
DEAN IS CAROLINA BASKETBALL. What happened before him is not particularly related to what Carolina basketball is all about imho, and it's about so much more than winning. Any choice without some connection to DES will sadden this lifelong Heel fan.
I didn't read all the comments in this thread but I read enough to know this thread is magnet for silly talk. But even so, I feel compelled to give my 2 cents.
Izzo? Seriously? There is no way on God's green earth that Tom Izzo is leaving MSU to coach at Carolina. That notion is downright absurd.
Jay Wright - no. He's proven little outside of his ability to get a gaudy regular season record.
Sean Miller - same as Jay wright except he's a better recruiter.
Brad Stevens - everybody loves Brad Stevens. Brad Stevens this and Brad Stevens that. I'm not sure he's the great savior that everyone bills him to be. But even if he was, why would he leave the legendary Boston Celtics to come back to college?
Shaka - I don't love him but I don't hate him either. Texas has more money that Carolina and if they want to keep him, they will. But, I could see him as a real possibility.
Greg Marshall - I don't think I care for his personality, but I do respect his coaching ability. Again, I think this is a real possibility. Not sure I'd love that hire.
I actually like Bruce Pearl and I think he could be fantastic at a school like UNC. His transgressions were "meh" to me. I could get past that.
There is no one inside the family right now that has any business being looked at as a serious candidate. I love them all. But none are close to ready. I think the one with the most promise is Rice. But I'd like to see him win his conference, get a job at a slightly bigger school and win there for about 3-4 years and then, maybe he'd be ready to assume the duties at Carolina.
Izzo? Seriously? There is no way on God's green earth that Tom Izzo is leaving MSU to coach at Carolina. That notion is downright absurd.
Jay Wright - no. He's proven little outside of his ability to get a gaudy regular season record.
Sean Miller - same as Jay wright except he's a better recruiter.
Brad Stevens - everybody loves Brad Stevens. Brad Stevens this and Brad Stevens that. I'm not sure he's the great savior that everyone bills him to be. But even if he was, why would he leave the legendary Boston Celtics to come back to college?
Shaka - I don't love him but I don't hate him either. Texas has more money that Carolina and if they want to keep him, they will. But, I could see him as a real possibility.
Greg Marshall - I don't think I care for his personality, but I do respect his coaching ability. Again, I think this is a real possibility. Not sure I'd love that hire.
I actually like Bruce Pearl and I think he could be fantastic at a school like UNC. His transgressions were "meh" to me. I could get past that.
There is no one inside the family right now that has any business being looked at as a serious candidate. I love them all. But none are close to ready. I think the one with the most promise is Rice. But I'd like to see him win his conference, get a job at a slightly bigger school and win there for about 3-4 years and then, maybe he'd be ready to assume the duties at Carolina.
I'm asking this because I honestly don't know. What does it mean to be "Carolina basketball"? And why are there a select few (or a select one) that's a reasonable choice to handle the job after Roy? I'm not trying to be a d-bag... I just honestly don't know what "Carolina basketball" means. I hear every player say "we have to play (insert team name) (insert sport)" EX: "We have to just play Washington Redskins football")
Purely in terms of basketball, I'm not sure if I want Roy's system to continue. I want our basketball to evolve as opposed to 2 traditional bigs, a traditional SF and a PG dependent system.
I think most teams have unrealistic expectations in college. Everyone thought Texas football could get anyone... They got a pretty good coach, but didn't get Saban. Plus, most of the CBB elite coaches want to go to the NBA IMO. I think Jay Wright is a good candidate. I'm not as bullish on Shaka Smart because I'm not a fan of coaches that are so system dependent. I don't think Sean Miller would leave. If Hoiberg gets canned by the Bulls, he'd be my first choice, but I wouldn't be surprised if Iowa State just fired Steve Prohm and re-hired Hoiberg. Brad Stevens isn't leaving the Celtics, unless Duke calls. Duke is the only place Stevens would leave.
Thought you only post on weekends? Brad Stevens wouldn't leave the Celtics for Dook. No chance.
Just curious if you have a link/reference for this? As both a Celtics fan and a UNC fan this would be doubly bad - I haven't heard of any connection there though, but would be interested if you could provide one.
I remember King Rice getting booed in the Dean Dome by the Carolina faithful in 1990 against Kentucky. Dean was so irate he had the team dress in their road uniforms for the next home game. Message sent and King goes on to have a great season and UNC goes to the Final Four.
Never thought I'd say this, but if King keeps doing his thing, he may just be on the short list when the time comes.
As soon as I saw Roy hit the floor, I knew a thread like this was going to pop up. Nobody cares more than Roy. Hope the guy is ok.
Never thought I'd say this, but if King keeps doing his thing, he may just be on the short list when the time comes.
As soon as I saw Roy hit the floor, I knew a thread like this was going to pop up. Nobody cares more than Roy. Hope the guy is ok.
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