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Literally anything else.
Still haven't gotten that reason why guns are so important to have. So important that taking them away, an obvious try for a solution to the problem of gun violence, is off the table.
All I've heard are other possible reasons why gun violence occurs.
Take out Chicago, Detroit, NYC and LA and where are we?
I enjoy this debate. It's tough to have it up here because everyone is so freaking liberal that it will make you puke.
I also enjoy it because I cannot at all relate to the other side. I have never in my life felt the need for a gun, and I've been robbed and had a gun flashed on me in NYC.
I also enjoy it because I cannot at all relate to the other side. I have never in my life felt the need for a gun, and I've been robbed and had a gun flashed on me in NYC.
Why is you right to free speech so important? You don’t actually need to be able to express yourself publicly. Some things you say could be very harmful to another.
Really?
Literally (literally) every single American has exercised that 1st amendment right and felt it necessary.
There are millions upon millions of Americans who feel no need to have a gun.
It's like arguing the importance of air vs. cigarettes.
If you had a gun, you might not have been robbed. But whatevs. Some people are better victims than others.
Probably around the same spot because then you're also taking out a huge chunk of our population.
I don’t need my right to free speech just like you and millions of others don’t need guns.
Refer to my analogy of banning alcohol. I am quiet sure that kills/ affects more school kids than any gun every would.
Case in point, most people drink alcohol because they enjoy it. None ever gives a crap about any kids involved. People own guns because they choose to. Taking away guns wont stop these kind of violent crimes.
I am ok with keeping school grounds locked down. Metal detectors/explosive detectors. We go thru them every day at the nuclear plant I work at. Use the so called education lottery to pay for it. Keep the public from just walking up out of nowhere. Every school in my area is vulnerable in this way.But banning guns is a political platform and nothing else.
Case in point, most people drink alcohol because they enjoy it. None ever gives a crap about any kids involved. People own guns because they choose to. Taking away guns wont stop these kind of violent crimes.
I am ok with keeping school grounds locked down. Metal detectors/explosive detectors. We go thru them every day at the nuclear plant I work at. Use the so called education lottery to pay for it. Keep the public from just walking up out of nowhere. Every school in my area is vulnerable in this way.But banning guns is a political platform and nothing else.
You carry your gun with you on your walk home from work?
So you'd prefer if we were a country where everyone had a gun so we all DONT shoot each other? Ah, that makes so much sense now
Next up, let's give every country nuclear weapons so we all DONT nuke each other.
While there are certainly plenty of women that I wish wouldn’t vote, I support their right to do so. Has anyone here said differently?
That's kind of a personal mindset though. There are people who would run out and try to buy a gun immediately after that because in their mind they will feel safer. I bought a handgun after I saw a robbery take place in my apartment complex.
At some point you're going to realize he isn't serious right?
Well, I live in NYC. We walk/subway to work. So under your ideal world, every person in NYC would be walking around with guns.
God (who apparently gave you a right to a gun) help us.
You keep making reference to this thought process. I’m not concerned with “every country”. I’m concerned with mine. Just like I don’t care if you carry a gun. I’m not asking you to. But stay out of my business and my desire to carry one. You can carry whatever you want: tide pods, Pokémon cards, American Spirit cigarettes, etc. Just like I should be able to carry whatever I want.
You're likely (you seem like a sane enough fellow) aren't what people who are anti-gun are worried about.
Your "right" to carry that gun means other people who do not have the mental capacity or responsibility to make sure that gun doesn't cause harm to innocent people also have that right as the law is right now.
So my argument is that we make it much more difficult for those people, not you, to carry that gun.
Why are you against that?
Your "right" to carry that gun means other people who do not have the mental capacity or responsibility to make sure that gun doesn't cause harm to innocent people also have that right as the law is right now.
So my argument is that we make it much more difficult for those people, not you, to carry that gun.
Why are you against that?
I’m not against that. But picking who’s to determine someone’s fit for gun ownership is a very tricky proposition. What is the criteria for gun ownership as you see it?
This is where I'm at. I'm not at all against stringent background checks, even a waiting period (30 days would be mine) for gun ownership. Tentatively, I'm also not against the idea of having guns registered (but this gets slippery quickly).
But like GSD said, if you divvy out the power of deciding who gets and doesn't get a gun, you've got a whole new can of worms that gets opened.
And furthermore, any type of mandatory background check measure is going to have to be accompanied with closing loops like gun show sales. Because if you passed a law right now that required mandatory background checks and waiting periods, etc. etc., people would still have plenty of means of acquiring firearms illegally through secondary sellers. And people who commit crimes are already obtaining their firearms illegally as it is (usually), so it wouldn't solve anything.
I gave you an answer in poast #67 (https://northcarolina.forums.rivals.com/threads/santa-fe-shooting.62603/page-2#post-1050246) but was the answer not to your satisfaction?
Right - the underground economy would get a boost from any gun legislation enacted. Criminals are sitting around licking their chops at the sight of these discussions.
Well, that sounds like a great topic for our representatives in Congress to be discussing.
Not sure one of the most corrupt and inept organizations in the US is the best to decide that. I'm sure their campaign funds would welcome the opportunity though.
Right?!! There are laws regarding guns. As many people have said repeatedly, criminals don't follow laws. Everyone wants to make a big deal of school shootings and everyone wants to send thoughts and prayers after mass shootings. But people are killed everyday by guns - most of which were acquired illegally. So this change in legislation is really just to make some people feel like they've done something when in reality, if the number of gun deaths on a yearly basis changed at all it would be by a fraction.
Legislation to make you feel better isn't the answer.
Right, and like I said, something is turning our youth into evil murderers. (Legal) guns capable of allowing one person to kill 10+ people have been around for 40+ years, but only in the past like 10 years (starting with the VT shooting) have school shootings started appearing as frequently and as deadly. Couple that with the Vegas shooting and the Orlando shooting, and the worst ones in American history have occurred all in the past like 10 years.
Something has happened to the fabric of this country. It's not the advancement in weaponry. It's not like suddenly semi automatic rifles have been created. Those have existed since, what, the Korean War? No, something has happened to turn more and more teenagers into killers. What's ironic about all of it is many leaders/popular voices in society think we are "more tolerant" than ever in 2018, yet more of these evil crimes happen now than ever. There's a disconnect between those two statements. Hell, maybe it really is the videogames. People my age grew up playing Goldeneye, Halo, Call of Duty, and we never did this shit. But maybe 12-17 year olds these days can't separate fiction from reality.
I have 3 guns and I need them. I live in the woods where there are poisonous snakes and coyotes and I don't want my animals or family being threatened by them. So I shoot those coyotes and poisonous snakes whenever I have an opportunity. Plus since we live in the woods a good ways away from any neighbors, my wife wanted a gun she could handle in the event someone tried to break into the house and I wasn't there to wield the 12 ga.
However I did vote for Trump and think he is doing a fine job, so based on that alone I am sure you could find a slew of people who would find me insane. I also have a family member on antidepressants, so there's strike 2 for me. And one time I was convicted of public consumption of alcohol, so I am sure that would be strike 3. And all 3 of those strikes are bullshit.
So unless you can come up with some way to eliminate me and people like me from your gun ownership screenings, then you can rest assured I will never support any of your proposals regarding gun control.
Now tell me about your ideas that I should support.
However I did vote for Trump and think he is doing a fine job, so based on that alone I am sure you could find a slew of people who would find me insane. I also have a family member on antidepressants, so there's strike 2 for me. And one time I was convicted of public consumption of alcohol, so I am sure that would be strike 3. And all 3 of those strikes are bullshit.
So unless you can come up with some way to eliminate me and people like me from your gun ownership screenings, then you can rest assured I will never support any of your proposals regarding gun control.
Now tell me about your ideas that I should support.
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