The Pac12 started the discussion about a month back. The Big Ten has now taken up the discussion. I am all for it for all athletes, in particular the big sports. Bring back the business of educating these student-athletes.
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I agree Atlas, anyone that really is concerned about educating atheletes, anyone that wishes the game would go back to the ideals the NCAA was formed with would have to admit freshman being ineligible is an important step in allowing them to successfully transition from high school to college. Of course if all we care about is winning games then bringing in kids un-interested in the college experience and embracing the one & done aletletes as some programs have done is the way you want to go because you want to see the best talents play in the college game and not risk them jumping over seas or to the NBADL>.Originally posted by AtlasShrugged:
The Pac12 started the discussion about a month back. The Big Ten has now taken up the discussion. I am all for it for all athletes, in particular the big sports. Bring back the business of educating these student-athletes.
X2Originally posted by heelmanwilm:
I like it. Separate those just auditioning for the nba from those wanting an education. Yea they'll go play elsewhere but so what. Imo the quality of play in ncaam will go up exponentially and actual coaching will become relevant again as opposed to just recruiting.
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I agree that this whole move is driven by the O'bannon case and other pending educational lawsuits as well as the whole OAD concept....I personally like the baseball model that is used where a kid has a choice coming out of high school to either go PRO, or stay in college for 3 years(If he's really interested in the education, he should have no problem getting his degree in 3 years before a possible professional career begins?)....Don't think that the NBAPA will go along with the baseball concept because they have always been unwilling to do so in the past, so the colleges are looking for any solution at the moment to not only answer the Pay for Play/Entitlement issue and lawsuit, but it's also an effort in my opinion to put the onus back on the high school kid and their family who are either wanting the kid to get an education, or want him to go straight to the NBA after high school?....If freshman are ruled ineligible, kids and their parents have a choice to make, and I sure hope that they will be informed?....Otherwise, more future stories about talented High School kids who fell thru the cracks, and ended-up dead,homeless or in jail after either their NBA dreams were shattered, or their stay in the league was brief, will likely be more of the norm in the future?....Hard to go back and get an education after the fact if you don't have the financial means or educational ability to actually pass the courses that you might take?Originally posted by Bubspub88:
I wish they would do it. The players who know they will not play in the league would benefit from a freshman year without being under a microscope. Let those clear one and dones go to Europe or the d league. The current rules do nothing but benefit the NBA. The college basketball I grew up loving has been dead for a long time. Senior night (for the most part) has become a game that recognizes players who didn't live up the hype and make the league sooner rather than the culmination of a college career.
Baseball rule wouldn't work -- from the point of view of the athletes -- because too many basketball players are physically equipped to compete in the NBA right out of high school (not be a star, obviously, but at least make the roster as a role player).Originally posted by soap - new and improved:
Perhaps the Baseball rule would work?
TN11, I agree with all that you posted, but isn't it time for the NBA to step up to the plate, and make changes to their NBDL training ground instead of letting the College teams spend all the time, effort and money to train their atheletes(Draft picks)?Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:
Baseball rule wouldn't work -- from the point of view of the athletes -- because too many basketball players are physically equipped to compete in the NBA right out of high school (not be a star, obviously, but at least make the roster as a role player).Originally posted by soap - new and improved:
Perhaps the Baseball rule would work?
That's the main problem with trying to get rid of the One-And-Done rule. Elite high school basketball players are so good that they truly can go right into the pros. They may lag behind from a technique or strength standpoint, but they can at least be serviceable. This isn't the case in baseball or football. In baseball, Bryce Harper and Mike Trout are extremely rare prospects that were ready for Major League action while still in their teens. Doesn't work that way. Generally, even if you forego college, you spend a minimum of a year in the minors, usually two or more. And obviously, in football, 99% of players cannot cut it in the NFL, from a sheer physicality and strength standpoint, until they're 3 years removed from high school like the rule states.
So among the three sports, basketball is definitely in a disadvantage (with respect to implementing rules designed to keep players ineligible from the league until a certain age or certain years removed from high school) because lots of high school hoopsters truly can compete straight out of high school or one year removed from high school, whereas 99% cannot compete in NFL or MLB, respectively, until 3-4 years removed from high school.
This post was edited on 2/23 4:47 PM by TarHeelNation11
You misunderstood. My point is that the baseball and football rules are not hotly contested (or even contested at all, unless your name is Maurice Clarett) by any party (athletes, pro league, or schools/fans) because:Originally posted by soap - new and improved:
THN11, I am not sure I am understanding your objection to the baseball rule. I am thinking your point is that too many elite players would jump straight from HS to the NBA and the college game would suffer because of that.
If indeed your point is that too many elite level guys will go pro from HS, I have no problem with that. There will still be plenty of very talented players who actually want or need to go to college.
Or am I misunderstanding you here?
It would be great if the NBA did step to the plate and improve the NBDL as a viable option for those who don't want to go to college. But realistically, would the NBDL ever get anywhere near as much exposure as college basketball? Hell no. Colleges have built-in fanbases and those fans will always watch. NBDL teams don't have fanbases.Originally posted by Tigertown@Rick:
TN11, I agree with all that you posted, but isn't it time for the NBA to step up to the plate, and make changes to their NBDL training ground instead of letting the College teams spend all the time, effort and money to train their atheletes(Draft picks)?
I couldn't agree with you more because I presently can't name one NBDL team?Originally posted by TarHeelNation11:
^^ I'm still not sure I'm getting my point across very well. My main point is that the 1-year rule in basketball is a disadvantage to BOTH players and schools (and fans). In football (definitely) and baseball (most of the time), those sports' respective pro entry rules are beneficial for both the players and the schools (and their fans).
Now, as far as freshman ineligibility.......it sounds good in theory but it just won't work. Elite recruits like college ball because it gives them far greater exposure than the NBDL. Making them ineligible as freshman.....I don't know, it doesn't seem to benefit the players whatsoever. Only benefits the schools and fans.
It would be great if the NBA did step to the plate and improve the NBDL as a viable option for those who don't want to go to college. But realistically, would the NBDL ever get anywhere near as much exposure as college basketball? Hell no. Colleges have built-in fanbases and those fans will always watch. NBDL teams don't have fanbases.Originally posted by Tigertown@Rick:
TN11, I agree with all that you posted, but isn't it time for the NBA to step up to the plate, and make changes to their NBDL training ground instead of letting the College teams spend all the time, effort and money to train their atheletes(Draft picks)?
So it's all a Catch-22. I don't see how to fix the situation.