Udoka closing in on decision?
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I am!!..love rawle but getting him will cause major problems..JJ has played himself in to a 4 year player..theo,Williams,Robinson,Woods..someone ain't going to be happy...chemistry wise..we don't need that!!..udoka is someone we need and can slide in the rotation very nicely!!
That's a bizarre comment. Did he take your lunch money?
Agree on Alkins. That would be mammoth. I don't think it happens though.
I want both! Why would anyone not be a fan of a big who plays big? We need a little more mean and we need more bigs, what's not to want? Rawle provides the mean as well, but couples it with an excellent slashing game-both are needed.
Az would thrive in our system and he would get major minutes; I see a win for both him and us!
Az would thrive in our system and he would get major minutes; I see a win for both him and us!
I don't see project as that implies not being effective the first year. I see a player that can impact the game from day 1 that also has plenty of room to become a real force. He will be able to give us rotation minutes from Day 1 and by ACC time of his first season, I expect him to be a real asset. I see a player who we will get 2 (hopefully 3) years from and, in that second year, will be a monster!
The way it looks right now Giles will play the 5 for Duke next year. Wow, I'm just salivating seeing Udoka placing a hard foul on the top of Giles head. What a nice dream....
He is a project. A ton of MDAA's have been. UA doesn't have much of a game outside of 8 feet, it's something he is going to have to work on a lot wherever he goes.
Doesn't mean he isn't worth the work to develop him into the player he can become.
I agree with that. But jericho's statement seemed weird to me because isn't a project big better than no big at all? Or what if we waited until 2017 to sign a big and then he's a project? That's a year lost on developing a project big. Because we're not reeling in the OAD types which means whoever we sign will be a project on varying levels.
At worst, Udoka as a freshman, is a space eater offering rebounding, some rim protection and 5 fouls. Again, what's not to like?
I think Udoka will offer us another quality big man. I have no problem knowing that he has some things to work on, but don't most players have elements of their game to work on. I can't stand such a focus on OAD. I don't care about it. I want good kids that have a desire to improve and win. Most of all, I want kids that want to be Tarheels!! I don't look for perfection, but want guys who are willing to work and do the best they can. I think Udoka would do great by us and we need to show we would do great by him. Come on Heels; Pick UNC, Udoka!!
I know Roy knows more than we do, but something about the Rawle recruitment scares me. We should be just coming off the whole NCAA crap, and then Rawle would be coming to campus. Makes my stomach turn a little. I think there is some shady stuff behind Mr. Alkins
Eh, he's no less shady than 90% of these kids ranked highly. The grades thing is a concern, but he will come with the same dumb baggage as most.
That said, it's great that we have kids like Jalek, Seventh, BRob, Bradley, and Leeky coming in that seem to have very strong families with virtually zero baggage. Can't have them all be like that though.
Udoka the "Beast" would be a great component to have next season. He will play in the NBA one day, I fully believe...
I'd rather get Rawle. Work with Bradley Maye Hicks and poss Meeks next year and get a big in the following class.
You are entitled to your opinion and me to mine. A project to me could end up like Meeks or James or Sean May or Whoever or so on. You don't know really know if it will come to fruition. I'd like to not hit another James jackpot.
.... the only problem seen here is that both Meeks and Hicks could both very well be in the Nba next season...
Totally agree slinger, agree as well that UA is a project, maybe not as big a project as Joel James was, maybe a touch more of a project than Brice or Hicks were coming in. Athletically UA is ready to play day 1, skill wise it is going to be a learning curve. But as slinger says, a project big beats no big at all or as the old song went, little bit of love is better than no love at all !
I would LOVE for us to get Adkins, just ain't feelin it but would love for us to. But hard for me to look at position of need and determine our greatest need to be a wing when we lose guranteed 2 of our top 4 big men and a strong possiblity that we lose a 3rd and only have 1 big man coming in? At wing we have Theo and Robinson for sure and it is not a 100% fact that we lose Justin Jackson.
Our STRONG need area now is front court guys, bigs cause I do not want to see our front court bigs be 3 guys in Hicks, freshman Tony Bradley, and Luke Mayes. No offense to Luke or Tony but that is a front court that would scare me... UA radically changes that picture IMO...
Hicks has shown enough to be drafted at the end of the first round, IMO. Plus, I think he'll show well at the combine. I think it would be good for his development if he were to come back and show the ability to be a primary option, but the philosophy of today's NBA game makes him draftable if he were to entertain that (certainly more so than Meeks who is rumored to have one foot out the door). I think we'll be lucky to have him back next year. I've really appreciated Hicks' contributions this year.
Name a player that didn't/doesn't have something to work on in his game coming out of high school! The Wizard of Az is NOT a project, he simply has to gain skills he did not need in HS. Lebron James might be the only one close and he needed to get in better shape and learn to make his teammates better! Projects need multiple years to become effective like JJames (love this kid!). Az will grow very fast under Jonas, Roy and our coaches tutelage if he comes to UNC, he will contribute year 1, and in year 2 he will be a monster that is featured on opponents game plans!
No he isn't. I'm not saying he's not going there, but he really isn't trending anywhere. He's put his recruitment on a bit of a pause to focus on the WOG season and (equally important) his SATs.
We're disagreeing too much lately!
I've gone on very long winded arguments about Hicks' draft stock, but I do not see it getting above a 2nd round pick. The issue is that he's old. He still has a ton that he needs to develop to be even a rotation NBA player and most teams don't risk draft picks on 22 year olds that are still considered projects. Meeks has a much more polished game and he's a year younger. Different story.
Meeks is indeed polished. I've said before that if Meeks came along in the 1980s, he could have had a 10+ year NBA career. But the game isn't played the same way anymore and what Meeks has is not appreciated by the NBA game now. On the other hand, what Hicks has is exactly what the NBA likes to see. He's fast, strong, quick bounce (quick second jump leaper), fluid, and runs the floor well and has good measurables. Like my previous post stated, I think he'll be a star at the combine too - bench press, vertical jump, agility drill, etc.
Meeks and Hicks are the same class so I guess somewhere a long the line, Hicks was held back if he is indeed 22 years old (I didn't know that). And I get your point - the NBA doesn't like drafting older guys on "potential". But we saw what Hicks can do when he's a primary option - produce. I hope that he comes back because it would be good for his development. But personally, I've seen enough from him to warrant at least a second round pick in a weak draft.
We will have to agree to disagree about UA being a project, not a project to the extent Joel was but his skill lags his talent by a lot right now IMO. He will be able to contribute early on but his star rising IMO will take a couple years.
Last 5 predictions have been for St. Johns including one from the very well respected Jerry Meyer. Things could very well change but I'm just going by what guys in the industry are saying.
Based on Alkins last update, St Johns seems like the favored choice and UNC and NC State seemed like after thoughts. But, it was one update. I'll ignore it since I want him.
St. Johns probably guaranteed him 75% of the shots they take. Wow has that program hit the skids or what? moo probably already guaranteed that to Dennis Smith.
They didn't guarantee him 75% of the shots, but they did guarantee him control over his minutes. Mullin told him it's Rawle's call when he goes in/out of the game with the exception of a mandatory 4 min break in the first half. That's direct from the source.
P.S. That's insanity to promise a kid that.
Tomato, tomahto...I guess we have differing definitions of project.
We really need Az, period! We need his size, strength, and mean streak. Who cares about that label; the fact remains that he is a beast with great potential and would thrive in UNC's system. (we need bigs more than wings) Imagine the speed of his skill development with a year under Jonas, Roy, and our staff; not to mention S. May and all the other greats he would play against in the Summers! (Remember this same team made JJ an effective ACC STARTER)Tell me he won't develop very quickly, I dare any of you! (I will remember who you are if he comes here too, lol)
We really need Az, period! We need his size, strength, and mean streak. Who cares about that label; the fact remains that he is a beast with great potential and would thrive in UNC's system. (we need bigs more than wings) Imagine the speed of his skill development with a year under Jonas, Roy, and our staff; not to mention S. May and all the other greats he would play against in the Summers! (Remember this same team made JJ an effective ACC STARTER)Tell me he won't develop very quickly, I dare any of you! (I will remember who you are if he comes here too, lol)
WORD! His up-side is tremendous. Love to see him in Carolina Blue PERIOD.
Yeah, guess that just goes to show that great players don't always make great coaches, and Chris Mullen was a great player for the Red Men back in the day!...
Have to agree with Archer that it would really be nice to have UA on board next season!
