Who's starts now...?

[Tarheelsman71]

Given what we know and expect... Puff, Mccoy, Nickel, Leaky, Styles, Nance for sure gone and most likely Love lost to portal or Europe (please), who is gonna start for UNC.

PG - Seth Trimble
SG - RJ Davis
SF - D'marco Dunn
PF - Jalen Washington
C - Armando Bacot

Subs:

Wilcher in at PG and SG
Shaver at C and PF
Zayden High at PF or SF (kid has a nice shot)

If Dunn leaves which there is scuttlebutt about, then High to start. That is a very athletic team that can complete. Maybe not win the big one, but I think that team is more competive than what we put on the floor this year. Question marks....Trimble at PG, RJ at SG (size), Dunn undersized at SF and if is even still here, and Washington being able to find his shot from outside since we know that Hubert aint gonna change the awful offense. Square peg in a round hole! But those are better than the question marks we had this season that played out exactly like we thought it would. If Trimble aint the PG we need, then Wilcher comes in to run PG. Just dont want to ever see RJ at PG dribbling the clock out.

Now if that is what we roll the ball out with...and we know that wont be the case...I will be okay. But I think we will get one from the portal that can crack the lineup. That would give us a 9 man lineup which would be better than the 6-7 man team we played with most of this season.

 

[DaveChapelle]

The only player who has announced he is returning is Armando Bacot. The staff is clearly looking to get several players from the transfer portal. Ask this question in June.

 

[DSouthr]

I really can't come close to considering what our line up will be nest season because I know we are going to get at least 3 and more likely 4 guys from the portal. How we look really depends on who those portal guys are and what they can bring. We are going to start at least 1 of the portal guys, wide open starting spots available at our 3 and 4 spots.

 

[TarHeelFanJ]

Hopefully Elliot Cadeau at PG 🙂

 

[NorCalTarheel]

Hopefully Elliot Cadeau at PG 🙂

This X 1000!

 

[alabamaheel]

The only player who has announced he is returning is Armando Bacot. The staff is clearly looking to get several players from the transfer portal. Ask this question in June.

DC any word on why or what or who some of these kids are waiting on? Dominoes?

 

[DaveChapelle]

DC any word on why or what or who some of these kids are waiting on? Dominoes?

Just rumors about Caleb being a domino that could impact other guards if he returns. And there is no longer any consensus on what Love will decide. Everyone seems to believe RJ will be coming back. Overall just a ton of moving parts.

 

[alabamaheel]

Just rumors about Caleb being a domino that could impact other guards if he returns. And there is no longer any consensus on what Love will decide. Everyone seems to believe RJ will be coming back. Overall just a ton of moving parts.

Thanks. I hope rj is back.

 

[GoNtheDistance]

a coach that let Caleb hold us hostage with his shot selection is also letting this fella hold us hostage right now while he evaluates whether there's a better option for him elsewhere. We need Caleb to move on so RJ and Dunn will formally commit to come back.

 

[randman1]

a coach that let Caleb hold us hostage with his shot selection is also letting this fella hold us hostage right now while he evaluates whether there's a better option for him elsewhere. We need Caleb to move on so RJ and Dunn will formally commit to come back.

Yep.
I am curious and hopeful about Zayden High who appears to have a good shot and could be a stretch 4. We are depleted and maybe we get a stud 4, and maybe Washington gets stronger but High could be the guy at that spot with Wsshington backing up Bacot for substantial minutes to keep Bacot fresh.

 

[DSouthr]

Yep.
I am curious and hopeful about Zayden High who appears to have a good shot and could be a stretch 4. We are depleted and maybe we get a stud 4, and maybe Washington gets stronger but High could be the guy at that spot with Wsshington backing up Bacot for substantial minutes to keep Bacot fresh.

Thing that strikes me (in a good way) about High is that he looks really smooth to me, doesn't seem to panic or rush himself, seems to glide at times if that makes any sense to anyone but me. It is like he is playing at a slower speed but passing ya?

I don't know that I buy High as a real stretch guy, he can hit the occasional 3 and I don't think I will mind him taking 1 or 2 a game, I am just not sold that is his real strength right now. I think I will like him more as a face up mid range guy that can set that high screen and have options rather than just to roll down. He is a very different talent but I see some hints of a Brice like talent in him. Like put him at the free throw line to initiate, to make that decision to shoot or pass quickly. I want to see him up to around 235lbs ASAP and he can easy carry that on his frame!

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Hopefully Elliot Cadeau at PG 🙂

I wonder if RJ and Seth are waiting to announce their decisions because of this possibility?

 

[kjcooper]

Would be a total shock if Seth decided to depart, seems to be a bright kid and he realizes that he can improve his game with a strict workout over the summer. If he does, PT will be there for his taking. Still wondering why it's taking Shaver so long, it maybe that he's trying to find a taker before he announces.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Would be a total shock if Seth decided to depart, seems to be a bright kid and he realizes that he can improve his game with a strict workout over the summer. If he does, PT will be there for his taking. Still wondering why it's taking Shaver so long, it maybe that he's trying to find a taker before he announces.

My worry is that if Cadeau takes over at PG, RJ spends most of his minutes at SG, and Wilcher earns starter minutes at one or both positions, that leaves slim pickings for Seth and D'Marco.

I think both of those guys will be very good for us, but probably not starters in this coming season unless we have problems with injuries or unreadiness (Wilcher has slipped in the rankings, so maybe he isn't as ready as I think, and as good as Cadeau is supposed to be, PG at UNC is a tough job for a freshman).

I don't think either Wilcher or D'Marco have the size to play SF for more than a few minutes per game. Of course they could prove me wrong.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I don't believe High can play the 3. I feel he's closer to a 5 than a 3. But obviously the 4 spot is best suited for him.

I think Cadeau may be coming early, in which case he starts at PG. If not, I guess RJ will have to play it. If RJ is at the 1, then I think Dunn starts at the 2. If Cadeau at the 1, then RJ at the 2. Definitely a transfer at the 3. Maybe Washington at the 4 but probably another transfer. Then Bacot at the 5.

 

[gauchoheel]

Given what we know and expect... Puff, Mccoy, Nickel, Leaky, Styles, Nance for sure gone and most likely Love lost to portal or Europe (please), who is gonna start for UNC.

PG - Seth Trimble
SG - RJ Davis
SF - D'marco Dunn
PF - Jalen Washington
C - Armando Bacot

Subs:

Wilcher in at PG and SG
Shaver at C and PF
Zayden High at PF or SF (kid has a nice shot)

If Dunn leaves which there is scuttlebutt about, then High to start. That is a very athletic team that can complete. Maybe not win the big one, but I think that team is more competive than what we put on the floor this year. Question marks....Trimble at PG, RJ at SG (size), Dunn undersized at SF and if is even still here, and Washington being able to find his shot from outside since we know that Hubert aint gonna change the awful offense. Square peg in a round hole! But those are better than the question marks we had this season that played out exactly like we thought it would. If Trimble aint the PG we need, then Wilcher comes in to run PG. Just dont want to ever see RJ at PG dribbling the clock out.

Now if that is what we roll the ball out with...and we know that wont be the case...I will be okay. But I think we will get one from the portal that can crack the lineup. That would give us a 9 man lineup which would be better than the 6-7 man team we played with most of this season.

Pretty irrelevant at this point in time. Between Cadeau, Jackson, Wilcher, and the portal, we are going to have three new starters next year. Dunn, Trimble, and Washington will not be starting unless Hubert fails in his quest to add more talent to our roster.

 

[gauchoheel]

My worry is that if Cadeau takes over at PG, RJ spends most of his minutes at SG, and Wilcher earns starter minutes at one or both positions, that leaves slim pickings for Seth and D'Marco.

I think both of those guys will be very good for us, but probably not starters in this coming season unless we have problems with injuries or unreadiness (Wilcher has slipped in the rankings, so maybe he isn't as ready as I think, and as good as Cadeau is supposed to be, PG at UNC is a tough job for a freshman).

I don't think either Wilcher or D'Marco have the size to play SF for more than a few minutes per game. Of course they could prove me wrong.

Trimble and Dunn getting limited minutes is a feature, not a bug. They're not good enough to play major minutes on a championship contender. Hopefully we can add some guys who are better than them. Harsh, but it's what Hubert needs to do to retain his job.

 

[Tarheelsman71]

The only player who has announced he is returning is Armando Bacot. The staff is clearly looking to get several players from the transfer portal. Ask this question in June.

but speculation is what we do best here.

 

[DaveChapelle]

Yep.
I am curious and hopeful about Zayden High who appears to have a good shot and could be a stretch 4. We are depleted and maybe we get a stud 4, and maybe Washington gets stronger but High could be the guy at that spot with Wsshington backing up Bacot for substantial minutes to keep Bacot fresh.

High isn't ready for major college minutes yet. He's a streaky shooter at best. Hard to pin down exact stats but I've seen him shooting around 30% from 3, maybe slightly under than that. There is also talk his growth spurt may make him better suited to play the 5.

 

[DSouthr]

Trimble and Dunn getting limited minutes is a feature, not a bug. They're not good enough to play major minutes on a championship contender. Hopefully we can add some guys who are better than them. Harsh, but it's what Hubert needs to do to retain his job.

Respectfully gaucho, I strongly disagree. Take Dunn for example, frankly, after his freshman season I felt like he was a wasted scholarship, I thought he was going to have a stroke any time the ball got in his hands, he could not get rid of it quick enough. Then this season, I see a guy that showed me he can play and can play at this level but he is a guy that needs PT. Seth is different but similar in that he is a kid that just like Dunn, lost confidence, wasn't sure of his role, very different types of players Dunn is a 2/3 in a small ball line up, Seth is a PG, a PG that does need to work on his shooting. But guys, he was a freshman this past season, don't write off a kid that got little PT and most of what he got was outside of his natural position. I very strongly believe this team is MUCH better if Trimble and Dunn stay, I wish Tyler had stayed but I understand why he had to leave, it was not about basketball, it was a real life situation and the young man left to handle his business and I say good on him, some things are more important.

I think both Dunn and Trimble are not just good enough to play major minutes for a contender, I think they are good enough to play major minutes for a NCAAT championship team. But BOTH do have major areas that they need to improve in, Dunn needs to work on those ball handles and Seth needs to learn to shoot a jump shot.

 

[NBBears20124ACHAMPS]

My worry is that if Cadeau takes over at PG, RJ spends most of his minutes at SG, and Wilcher earns starter minutes at one or both positions, that leaves slim pickings for Seth and D'Marco.

I think both of those guys will be very good for us, but probably not starters in this coming season unless we have problems with injuries or unreadiness (Wilcher has slipped in the rankings, so maybe he isn't as ready as I think, and as good as Cadeau is supposed to be, PG at UNC is a tough job for a freshman).

I don't think either Wilcher or D'Marco have the size to play SF for more than a few minutes per game. Of course they could prove me wrong.

Cadeau isn't reclassifying to sit on the bench.

 

[Oak ridger]

Few will come if they will be sitting on the bench.

 

[UNC-75]

Time to let Caleb know he is welcome to return but he will not start and will have only a few minutes per game at best. Then let the dust settle quickly.

 

[DaveChapelle]

Time to let Caleb know he is welcome to return but he will not start and will have only a few minutes per game at best.

Zero chance that happens.

 

[gauchoheel]

Respectfully gaucho, I strongly disagree. Take Dunn for example, frankly, after his freshman season I felt like he was a wasted scholarship, I thought he was going to have a stroke any time the ball got in his hands, he could not get rid of it quick enough. Then this season, I see a guy that showed me he can play and can play at this level but he is a guy that needs PT. Seth is different but similar in that he is a kid that just like Dunn, lost confidence, wasn't sure of his role, very different types of players Dunn is a 2/3 in a small ball line up, Seth is a PG, a PG that does need to work on his shooting. But guys, he was a freshman this past season, don't write off a kid that got little PT and most of what he got was outside of his natural position. I very strongly believe this team is MUCH better if Trimble and Dunn stay, I wish Tyler had stayed but I understand why he had to leave, it was not about basketball, it was a real life situation and the young man left to handle his business and I say good on him, some things are more important.

I think both Dunn and Trimble are not just good enough to play major minutes for a contender, I think they are good enough to play major minutes for a NCAAT championship team. But BOTH do have major areas that they need to improve in, Dunn needs to work on those ball handles and Seth needs to learn to shoot a jump shot.

Serious question: what skills are you confident they can bring to next year's team?

Dunn is supposedly a shooter, but career 54% from the line (super tiny sample, but that's another issue; he has no dribble drive ability) and 29% from three. These aren't acceptable numbers even if you're a big. I don't think he's a particularly good defender, too thin and has low steal/rebound rates. He doesn't even really have potential to do much else, and I don't see how he's a contributor unless he does a 180 on his shooting.

Trimble, just a freshman but he was pretty shockingly offensively deficient. I don't know, but I'm wondering if he has the ability to play at this level. There's certainly nothing you could've seen this season that would give you any confidence; the only thing anyone can read positively is he had a high ranking out of high school. Also shot 54% on free throws (17 of 31; he can at least get to the line). Trimble at least has some defensive ability, but you can't be a defensive specialist at his size. You have to be able to shoot or penetrate, and he can't do either right now. I'd love to know some guards that averaged 7 points per 40 minutes on his kind of shooting numbers and later became good offensive players.

If they were on any other team, would our fans be forecasting their future performance positively?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Cadeau isn't reclassifying to sit on the bench.

Of course not. That wasn't what I said.

My concern is what happens to our other guys if he reclassifies. As I said, I think RJ and Wilcher will get most of the remaining back court minutes. And if we add Timberlake, that's a 6th back court guy. He won't be coming to sit on the bench either. And if Jackson reclassifies, too, that's 7.

Let's see . . . 80 divided by 7 = ???? Or maybe 100 divided by 7 if we play a good bit of small ball with a 6'4 SF.

I'm happy with

RJ - Trimble
Wilcher - Dunn

...as our back court.

I want Hubert to focus on the 3, 4 and maybe 5 spots. But Hubert will do his thing and I'm looking forward to seeing what that turns out to be.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Few will come if they will be sitting on the bench.

Well . . . so far we have 1 guy returning and 2 incoming freshmen.

Just kidding, but there will be plenty of PT until we see what we actually have.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Serious question: what skills are you confident they can bring to next year's team?

Dunn is supposedly a shooter, but career 54% from the line (super tiny sample, but that's another issue; he has no dribble drive ability) and 29% from three. These aren't acceptable numbers even if you're a big. I don't think he's a particularly good defender, too thin and has low steal/rebound rates. He doesn't even really have potential to do much else, and I don't see how he's a contributor unless he does a 180 on his shooting.

Trimble, just a freshman but he was pretty shockingly offensively deficient. I don't know, but I'm wondering if he has the ability to play at this level. There's certainly nothing you could've seen this season that would give you any confidence; the only thing anyone can read positively is he had a high ranking out of high school. Also shot 54% on free throws (17 of 31; he can at least get to the line). Trimble at least has some defensive ability, but you can't be a defensive specialist at his size. You have to be able to shoot or penetrate, and he can't do either right now. I'd love to know some guards that averaged 7 points per 40 minutes on his kind of shooting numbers and later became good offensive players.

If they were on any other team, would our fans be forecasting their future performance positively?

Trimble looked good and was showing consistent improvement until he hit the Virginia game. That reality check knocked him on his heels, and he never seemed to recover. I don't understand that, but the coaching staff should have handled that better, imo. If a kid doesn't get his mojo back after a few games, the coaches need to act. Judging by appearances, they didn't.

There's no doubt both Dunn and Trimble need to improve. But they both look like they can be solid contributors if they do. Will they ever be starters? Who knows? But I wouldn't rule it out in a year or 2.

Bottom line, as long as we still have people on the court who can score, I'm not worried when Trimble or Dunn are out there.

 

[gauchoheel]

Trimble looked good and was showing consistent improvement until he hit the Virginia game. That reality check knocked him on his heels, and he never seemed to recover. I don't understand that, but the coaching staff should have handled that better, imo. If a kid doesn't get his mojo back after a few games, the coaches need to act. Judging by appearances, they didn't.

There's no doubt both Dunn and Trimble need to improve. But they both look like they can be solid contributors if they do. Will they ever be starters? Who knows? But I wouldn't rule it out in a year or 2.

Bottom line, as long as we still have people on the court who can score, I'm not worried when Trimble or Dunn are out there.

I don't think there's evidence that the UVA game "knocked him on his heels". Maybe it got in his head, but he only took two shots so I doubt it. His usage went down more, but I think that's partly because we faced better competition and mostly because opponent scouting realized he couldn't shoot a lick.

Trimble only had 6 games all year he made more than one basket. Not a single one was against a top 100 defense. His free throws are comical, as he's got a massive hitch and shoots a percentage that would make an awkward 7 footer cringe.

We just saw how devastating it was to the offense to have someone like Leaky in there, and that's as a 6-8 guy who rebounds and defends like crazy. You simply can't be a small guard and have defense be your only thing -- at bare minimum you need to shoot threes to space the floor or be able to penetrate a little bit. Trimble was a complete offensive dud as a freshman; it's hard to overstate how bad he was on that end.

He will hopefully improve, but he needs massive improvement to be playable on a good team. Same with Dunn -- what does he do well? Not a shooter, doesn't penetrate or get to the line, can't rebound, not a plus defender.... What is it you're seeing? You have to bring some positive skills, you can't simply exist on the court and not turn the ball over. The team hasn't been good for a few years because we have too many guys like this who simply don't move the needle. If Dunn played like this at Clemson nobody would be clamoring to add him in the portal.

We're thankfully going to bring in a bunch of new guys this offseason. I'm very confident that unless Dunn and particularly Trimble (you simply have to be able to score somehow as a guard) take huge steps forward they will not get much playing time.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I don't think there's evidence that the UVA game "knocked him on his heels"

That's how it looked to me. Reasonable people can disagree.

I was looking more at his demeanor than his point production. He was gaining confidence up until that game. He was looking good. Everybody saw it and was talking about how good he was going to be. Not there yet, but a great addition to the team. and a future star.

Then the Virginia game. After which he looked like a demoralized freshman who could only see the court when RJ or Caleb were gassed or we needed a defensive stop - and maybe not even then. Check his minutes before and after the UVa loss. I haven't run the numbers but it looks like he dropped from mid-teens to 5 or 6mpg.

 

[DSouthr]

Serious question: what skills are you confident they can bring to next year's team?

Dunn is supposedly a shooter, but career 54% from the line (super tiny sample, but that's another issue; he has no dribble drive ability) and 29% from three. These aren't acceptable numbers even if you're a big. I don't think he's a particularly good defender, too thin and has low steal/rebound rates. He doesn't even really have potential to do much else, and I don't see how he's a contributor unless he does a 180 on his shooting.

Trimble, just a freshman but he was pretty shockingly offensively deficient. I don't know, but I'm wondering if he has the ability to play at this level. There's certainly nothing you could've seen this season that would give you any confidence; the only thing anyone can read positively is he had a high ranking out of high school. Also shot 54% on free throws (17 of 31; he can at least get to the line). Trimble at least has some defensive ability, but you can't be a defensive specialist at his size. You have to be able to shoot or penetrate, and he can't do either right now. I'd love to know some guards that averaged 7 points per 40 minutes on his kind of shooting numbers and later became good offensive players.

If they were on any other team, would our fans be forecasting their future performance positively?

I am really not sure how many more times I am going to have to say Trimble needs to work on his jump shooting before folks will understand that I feel he needs to work on his jump shooting? Do you really need to quote stats to me that indicate the kid needs to work on that aspect of his game to convince me of what I have been saying? LOL OK, I get it, the freshman did not shoot the ball well, promise ya, message received! Did you realize that Trimble shot 33.6% from 3 as a senior in high school, shot 35.1% as a jr in high school? I am using 3pt shooting here because over all shooting would draw the argument that it was against high school boys not college players so I am trying to be fair. I will as well add that the high school 3pt distance is about a foot shorter than the college trey, again, trying to be fair.

Now as you offer, opposing teams identified Seth as a weak shooter so they gave him invited to shoot cleaner looks, which was not the case for a high school player averaging 26.2 pts a game, a kid that shot 56% over all, no he went no where on the court without defenders trying to hawk him hard. Now if you are telling me he can not shoot, then explain to me how it is that he did? You want evidence then there you go, you have evidence now?

Why not explore WHY the kid shot as poorly as he did for us last season as opposed to saying a kid that shot 33.6% from trey, 56% over all for a 26.2pts a game his senior season in high school, 1 season later can not shoot? I have done that, I have spoken to why as opposed to just looking at stats, because there is a reason stats become what they are.

You can not tell me a guy can not do something he has already done, to do so is to offer a straw man argument and if your main argument point is built on straw, it falls apart under a closer look. There are very real reasons the kid shot poorly, think maybe if those reasons were not there that maybe he would have shot the ball better? And if he did shoot the ball better would you be so quick to write him off? You can try to tell me that he has not shown he can shoot in college yet, I know that, kid was a freshman, but shooting is shooting, the ball is still round, the basket still the same height, a open look in college is no different a shot than it is a open look in high school. So I have said Seth shot poorly this past season and that it needs to be a focus point to improve, we agree on that right? I have said if a kid can hit a open look in high school that the same kid can hit a open look in college, do argue differently? And I have said that if a kid was at least a decent jump shooter but all the sudden the ball does not drop in college then there are reasons that should be explored, how can that be wrong?

Even further, what we saw with Seth is a symptom of a much larger problem and we saw it with multiple players, not just Seth. We saw it with Dunn, we saw it with Styles, we saw it with Nickel, we saw it with Washington, we actually saw it with the entire team didn't we? We played the kid limited and really choppy minutes, we played him in a shooters role which just was not smart, we put him in a position that he had to go to his game weakness rather than it's strength and that was a systemic across the board problem not just limited to Seth..

 

[DaveChapelle]

PG - Davis
SG - ?
SF - ?
PF - ?
C - Bacot

 

[gunslingerdick]

PG - Davis
SG - ?
SF - ?
PF - ?
C - Bacot

I’d prefer:

PG - ?
SG - Davis
SF - ?
PF - ?
C - Bacot

 

[alabamaheel]

I am really not sure how many more times I am going to have to say Trimble needs to work on his jump shooting before folks will understand that I feel he needs to work on his jump shooting? Do you really need to quote stats to me that indicate the kid needs to work on that aspect of his game to convince me of what I have been saying? LOL OK, I get it, the freshman did not shoot the ball well, promise ya, message received! Did you realize that Trimble shot 33.6% from 3 as a senior in high school, shot 35.1% as a jr in high school? I am using 3pt shooting here because over all shooting would draw the argument that it was against high school boys not college players so I am trying to be fair. I will as well add that the high school 3pt distance is about a foot shorter than the college trey, again, trying to be fair.

Now as you offer, opposing teams identified Seth as a weak shooter so they gave him invited to shoot cleaner looks, which was not the case for a high school player averaging 26.2 pts a game, a kid that shot 56% over all, no he went no where on the court without defenders trying to hawk him hard. Now if you are telling me he can not shoot, then explain to me how it is that he did? You want evidence then there you go, you have evidence now?

Why not explore WHY the kid shot as poorly as he did for us last season as opposed to saying a kid that shot 33.6% from trey, 56% over all for a 26.2pts a game his senior season in high school, 1 season later can not shoot? I have done that, I have spoken to why as opposed to just looking at stats, because there is a reason stats become what they are.

You can not tell me a guy can not do something he has already done, to do so is to offer a straw man argument and if your main argument point is built on straw, it falls apart under a closer look. There are very real reasons the kid shot poorly, think maybe if those reasons were not there that maybe he would have shot the ball better? And if he did shoot the ball better would you be so quick to write him off? You can try to tell me that he has not shown he can shoot in college yet, I know that, kid was a freshman, but shooting is shooting, the ball is still round, the basket still the same height, a open look in college is no different a shot than it is a open look in high school. So I have said Seth shot poorly this past season and that it needs to be a focus point to improve, we agree on that right? I have said if a kid can hit a open look in high school that the same kid can hit a open look in college, do argue differently? And I have said that if a kid was at least a decent jump shooter but all the sudden the ball does not drop in college then there are reasons that should be explored, how can that be wrong?

Even further, what we saw with Seth is a symptom of a much larger problem and we saw it with multiple players, not just Seth. We saw it with Dunn, we saw it with Styles, we saw it with Nickel, we saw it with Washington, we actually saw it with the entire team didn't we? We played the kid limited and really choppy minutes, we played him in a shooters role which just was not smart, we put him in a position that he had to go to his game weakness rather than it's strength and that was a systemic across the board problem not just limited to Seth..

I actually saw what I thought to be a glimpse of what he can do, during the last bit of the season. As I recall he drove and finished with a high pull-up a few times. Imo if he can get that rolling he’ll be fine. His defense can be needed for sure.

 

[ChiShankCity]

Even further, what we saw with Seth is a symptom of a much larger problem and we saw it with multiple players, not just Seth. We saw it with Dunn, we saw it with Styles, we saw it with Nickel, we saw it with Washington, we actually saw it with the entire team didn't we? We played the kid limited and really choppy minutes, we played him in a shooters role which just was not smart, we put him in a position that he had to go to his game weakness rather than it's strength and that was a systemic across the board problem not just limited to Seth..

I'm more concerned that Seth barely shot above 50% from the FT line (albeit a relatively small sample size).

While it's not 1-to-1, I think one of the most transferable traits when projecting a player's ability to shoot is how they perform from the FT line. Leaky had one really good FT shooting season, but in reality, he's a high 60's FT shooter and a low 30's 3-point shooter. And with Leaky, the majority of 3's he probably attempted were uncontested. Even in the NBA, Luka is a 35% 3-point shooter, which is solid but not elite, and he's a 75% FT shooter. Again, solid but not elite.

I think Seth has mechanical issues with his shooting form as well, but that's a pretty subjective thing. Guards that shoot below 70% from the FT line typically don't translate to being consistent 3-point shooters.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

I am really not sure how many more times I am going to have to say Trimble needs to work on his jump shooting before folks will understand that I feel he needs to work on his jump shooting?

LOL, Dave. I think everybody has known that pretty much since day one - if not sooner. You don't need to write a novel to prove it to us.

Trimble is quite athletic (understatement), is a good defender, has an adequate handle (needs improvement but not bad for a freshman), and has those Tokoto anti-gravity boots (that we didn't see enough of, but we know are there).

The question is why a team being coached by Davis and Lebo can't teach him how to shoot better? We've all heard the old saw about "those who can, do; those who can't, teach." (I hate that saying.) When it comes to shooting at UNC, though, Davis and Lebo seem to be proving that those who can, cannot teach.

If he's surrounded by more good shooters, we can absolutely afford to have Seth on the court. But he at least has to be able to keep the defense honest. And that just isn't the case after a whole year in the program.

Why do you think that is? What would you do differently if Davis pointed to you and said "fix this problem"?

 

[kjcooper]

Agree with all of you on things which Seth needs to improve on (shooting), and being a freshman is always tough on guys who lose confidents, and wonder if they can play in the league. In all retrospect he needs to spend hours in the gym over the summer, and even engage in some summer league pickup games which they normally have at Chapel Hill during the summer.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Speaking of summer activities, when the NCAA changed the rules to allow coaches to hold 10 practices over the summer (I think that was the new rule), I noticed that Roy did not actually hold 10 practices, and I wondered why not. I don't know if he changed that later.

What's Hubert's approach? He's had 2 summers - although he was scrambling as a new coach the first summer. How did he conduct those practices? Anybody know?

 

[DSouthr]

I'm more concerned that Seth barely shot above 50% from the FT line (albeit a relatively small sample size).

While it's not 1-to-1, I think one of the most transferable traits when projecting a player's ability to shoot is how they perform from the FT line. Leaky had one really good FT shooting season, but in reality, he's a high 60's FT shooter and a low 30's 3-point shooter. And with Leaky, the majority of 3's he probably attempted were uncontested. Even in the NBA, Luka is a 35% 3-point shooter, which is solid but not elite, and he's a 75% FT shooter. Again, solid but not elite.

I think Seth has mechanical issues with his shooting form as well, but that's a pretty subjective thing. Guards that shoot below 70% from the FT line typically don't translate to being consistent 3-point shooters.

My initial reaction is that it a combination of coming off the bench cold and not getting many shot attempts and the game still being to sped up for him right now in his head. That effects your free throw shooting, like a (olden days reference) you needing to play at 33.3 RPMs but your mind is at 45rpms (refers to record players of old). Freshmen, especially freshmen that get little choppy PT struggle with this.

 

[DSouthr]

LOL, Dave. I think everybody has known that pretty much since day one - if not sooner. You don't need to write a novel to prove it to us.

Trimble is quite athletic (understatement), is a good defender, has an adequate handle (needs improvement but not bad for a freshman), and has those Tokoto anti-gravity boots (that we didn't see enough of, but we know are there).

The question is why a team being coached by Davis and Lebo can't teach him how to shoot better? We've all heard the old saw about "those who can, do; those who can't, teach." (I hate that saying.) When it comes to shooting at UNC, though, Davis and Lebo seem to be proving that those who can, cannot teach.

If he's surrounded by more good shooters, we can absolutely afford to have Seth on the court. But he at least has to be able to keep the defense honest. And that just isn't the case after a whole year in the program.

Why do you think that is? What would you do differently if Davis pointed to you and said "fix this problem"?

Honestly, I don't think you can re-tool a kid's shooting during the season, I think that has to happen in the off season and you maintain it during season. Joel for example, it was that first off season that he really put in the work on his jump shooting and he needed to.

What I saw was a kid lose confidence and just not sure of either himself or his role. That is going to infect all of your game not just jump shooting. A great ball handlers in addition to several other things have to and are very decisive in their actions, knows what he is going to do and does it with belief. I saw his handles get looser as the season progressed, he began to think rather than act, practice reps and PT is the cure for that. If he is confident, said it maybe pre-season and will say it again, I believe Seth is the best ball handler we have right now and I believe that will be the case at least until Wilcher arrives. But having lost his confidence he was a very different player, that was on Hubert.

Fix this problem David, what would I do, I have full autonomy to fix it? EASY, really EASY, I tap Trimble as our starting POINT GUARD, move RJ to the 2, and if Caleb comes back he is at the 3 (Wilcher comes in for any of the 3 spots but mostly at the 1 and 2. Now, you can't double off on to Caleb with Seth's defender if Seth has the ball in his hands and is looking to drive. I have a scorer (what Nance actually wasn't), maybe Jalen, maybe High, maybe a portal guy but I have a scorer at the 4 and Bacot, you can't pull off the scoring 4 big man even if he stretches, you now have Seth operating 1 on 1, any attempt to stop him from finishing at the rim brings a double off of either RJ, Caleb, or a shooter 4 man. NOW, the court is spread, now the defense is spread. We spread our offense this past season we did not spread the defense, that was a bad thing.

And the real payoff is I just hid my weakest shooter by forcing the defense to have to stay on him and now I get a supreme back court defender in Seth on the other end!

OK, job done, what would like for me to fix next for ya? LOL