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Another little example of why Fedora needs to get a new OC. A quote from SI about the Miami D: "The Irish came in riding one of the nation’s top ground attacks, averaging over seven yards per carry; Miami held them to just three yards per carry and forced four turnovers, becoming the first FBS team to notch at least four takeaways in four straight games against FBS opponents in at least 13 years—a feat that’s even more impressive when you consider Miami only starts one senior on defense, has 10 freshmen and sophomores on its defensive two-deep and is playing with just 73 scholarship players."
That last part not only means that next year, if our offense has not gotten smarter, with new wrinkles, we can expect to be mauled by the Canes, but those numbers - Miami with only 73 scholarship players and only starts only 1 senior on D - should be kept in mind whenever using lack of 85 scholarship players and lack of senior starters to excuse Fedora for losing so many games.
That last part not only means that next year, if our offense has not gotten smarter, with new wrinkles, we can expect to be mauled by the Canes, but those numbers - Miami with only 73 scholarship players and only starts only 1 senior on D - should be kept in mind whenever using lack of 85 scholarship players and lack of senior starters to excuse Fedora for losing so many games.
The OC at Carolina could be a hard job. I don't know how much influence Larry has on the offensive scheme/philosophy but I feel like it's quite a bit. Could make it hard to get a really good OC if they feel Larry is going to micro manage everything on offense. I'm not saying this is the case but just wonder if it is. Kap just seems to try to do what he thinks Larry would do. I don't think that's a good scenario either. Kind of like a watered down Larry approach. Maybe Larry is grooming Heck, if he is he should go ahead and make him OC after the season. Would that cause problems with Kap? Would he make them Co-OCs - I don't really like the Co-?C scenario.
I hope so but this year shows that without great talent we have trouble moving the ball. We have been blessed at the skill positions until this year but there are signs the young guys will develop into really good talents.
My post was more about the OC than the offense though.
My post was more about the OC than the offense though.
any coach would have trouble moving the ball with these qbs, WR that drop the ball when they finally learn how to get open, and OL that whiff against 4-man fronts.
Also, i agree, that's an interesting question regarding OC. There are probably several jobs around the country where that is a big deal cuz the HC is so heavily involved in his area of expertise.
Don't sweat it - it's perfectly reasonable to assume that losing the last two games of the year, including having the coach piss down his leg and give up the most rushing yards in a game in NCAA Bowl history in a disappointing bowl loss would be enough to get dropped out of the rankings.
People keep forgetting how good that Baylor team was. I believe at one point they were first or second. Then they lost 3 QBs in the month of October and slipped at the end. They had a whole month to instill a new offense with monster Oline pushing around our defenders. We didn’t have the horses to match up with those guys.
they were beasts alright, but horses is not the one that comes to mind.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...01b6b443624_story.html?utm_term=.295b668e053d
this year baylor is 1-10, including a loss to liberty. the fact that they're allowed to field a team at all is a terrible injustice.
There is only one name to keep in mind for the long term sustainable football in Chapel Hill that will not compete with or overshadow the basketball program:
JEFF MONKEN
LOL ok. I love Carolina Football more than anything but I will cry if we hire an option coach.
Nazair missed that game due to injury. Dalton actually started instead of Clarke or dinkins. Powell was mostly de. Not a good dline.
Seriously. Army is averaging throwing less than 6 passes a game and not completing half of them. Not sure that’s going to put butts in the seats.
Well, we are downsizing the stadium . . .
But seriously and more importantly than that, it won't get us recruits. Look at GT's recruiting classes. They're horrific. No one wants to play in that offense. Additionally, it's not a coincidence that Tech's defense has been bad since Paul Johnson got there. Common sense tells you that an option team's defense will suffer because they don't get to practice against their starting offense in practice.
Paul Johnson is the greatest living mind in the realm of triple option football. Only his genius and proficiency at his craft keeps GT from being a 3-win football team every season. The recruiting rankings don't lie; GT is basically bereft of talent.
I literally can't imagine anything worse than watching us run the option every Saturday.
Suit yourself.
Carolina needs to be able to have sustained success. Watching Larry's smoke and mirror football is the worst I have seen in the last 50 years.
No defense, can't run the ball consistently, crappy offensive line and reliant on trick plays.....that's not the way I want to continue to spend my Saturday afternoons.
I would much rather have a consistent winner than what we have now.
I'm sorry you dislike winning. Let's go back to Butch and Shoop and lose games 17-13?
And please tell me which of our coaches not named Mack Brown have been consistent winners since, ever?
(BTW, look up Mack Brown's W/L record and then look up Larry Fedora's W/L record here, just for kicks and gigs).
Poor effort.
Calling the spread "smoke and mirrors football" is just silly. There's a reason that pretty much every top program now runs a similar system on offense.
Assuming that we would be a consistent winner just by switching to some BS system where we run literally four different plays the entire game, is also silly.
Plus, not to mention, if we really wanted to go the triple option route, we wouldn't hire Jeff Monken. That would be like hiring the apprentice to try to defeat the master. Monken learned everything he knows from Paul Johnson.
Who said it was yours?
BTW most of McCauley's 1,720 came on option pitches in 1970 when Dooley was running a winged I formation.
Since Fedora got the play book back in his hand, we've made remarkable improvement from where we were. It's not the offense but the horrendous play calling early in the season that crippled us, cost us a few games and then the injury bug gutted us mid-season.
But as guys have gotten experience and Fedora did what he should have done the first game, take over the play calling, we've advanced. Competed better and won a couple. Would have been nice to beat Miami which was certainly doable. Some costly mistakes are why we lost. We weren't just blown off the field by them like Notre Dame was.
All in all, despite our record, we weren't so far off from a winning season had we just made adjustments sooner, and that's certainly on Fedora but let's not get kooky. His offense ran like a beautiful well-oiled machine a couple of years ago and likely will again.
Play calling has always been an Achilles Heel with his teams. Hopefully he gets it straight and keeps it that way here on out.
But as guys have gotten experience and Fedora did what he should have done the first game, take over the play calling, we've advanced. Competed better and won a couple. Would have been nice to beat Miami which was certainly doable. Some costly mistakes are why we lost. We weren't just blown off the field by them like Notre Dame was.
All in all, despite our record, we weren't so far off from a winning season had we just made adjustments sooner, and that's certainly on Fedora but let's not get kooky. His offense ran like a beautiful well-oiled machine a couple of years ago and likely will again.
Play calling has always been an Achilles Heel with his teams. Hopefully he gets it straight and keeps it that way here on out.
Even Butch couldn't recruit well enough at Carolina to win with the power game.
We can recruit well enough and win consistently playing option football.
If the smoke and mirrors are not working, it puts too much pressure on the defense.
Army has had about 40 third downs with two or less yards to go for a first down this year.........They have made every one!!!
Dude, if Carolina hires an option coach and we start playing that GT style.... cash me out. I really don't want to see that.
+1. I have less than zero interest in watching that crap every weekend.
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More than that, you simply can't win big with that style. As @MWHeels alludes to, ever wonder why GT never beats Clemson or Miami? It's because those two schools generally have NFL-level talent at DL and LB and they stuff the option attack at the line of scrimmage.
No team will EVER win big running the option in modern football.
Couldn't agree more. If this system were actually so effective then more top level programs would utilize it.
Kinda like they're doing now with the "smoke and mirrors."
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