What was your distinction between racist and prejudice?I'm glad you are finally able to admit that you don't have anything.
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What was your distinction between racist and prejudice?I'm glad you are finally able to admit that you don't have anything.
You are the guy pretending that systemic racism doesn't exist in corporate America.I'm glad you are finally able to admit that you don't have anything.
I look at prejudice as bias. Racist has harmful connotations. I am prejudice toward brunettes, doesn't mean I wouldn't do a blond. Halle Berry is one fine woman, but if she dyed her hair blond I wouldn't find her as attractive, I'd still do her, but I wouldn't want to harm her.What was your distinction between racist and prejudice?
What was your distinction between racist and prejudice?
It basically comes down to ignorance vs. hate. Let me give you an example. An old woman who's interaction with black people is limited to watching TV and reading the paper. Based on what she sees on TV, she thinks that most black people act a certain way. She doesn't hate black people, but she stereotypes them. That lady would have a prejudice towards black people, but she's not a racist. A racist thinks that another race is inferior to their own. Make sense?
So that article right there accurately portrays the difference between prejudice or bias and out-and-out racism that we were discussing earlier.
Also, it shows that the hiring managers themselves aren't racist. They're just afraid that their customers might be. So it's not racism that's preventing them being hired, it's a belief (possibly a misconception) that others are racist that is preventing them from being hired at the same rate. And I'd argue that the fear-mongering of racism that is being perpetuated by politicians and media members alive is doing more to continue that belief/misconception than any actual racism is.
Not what I was going for but that works, too.Jackie Robinson's number. Don't think the significance was lost on me.
At least read this ARTICLE and consider their premise.@Hark_The_Sound_2010 gave a good explanation of the difference as well
I've never said it didn't exist, I said it's not the huge problem you make it out to be. Just look at the study below. It shows that black people are given an almost equal chance to interview for a position with power (manager, coordinator, etc.) as a white person.You are the guy pretending that systemic racism doesn't exist in corporate America.
More fodder for you:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.usnews.com/news/blogs/at-the-edge/2015/05/06/institutional-racism-is-our-way-of-life?context=amp
That sounds like preference, not prejudice.I look at prejudice as bias. Racist has harmful connotations. I am prejudice toward brunettes, doesn't mean I wouldn't do a blond. Halle Berry is one fine woman, but if she dyed her hair blond I wouldn't find her as attractive, I'd still do her, but I wouldn't want to harm her.
I'm not arguing the size of the problem. Im just stating it's a problem that you seem hellbent on minimizing.I've never said it didn't exist, I said it's not the huge problem you make it out to be. Just look at the study below. It shows that black people are given an almost equal chance to interview for a position with power (manager, coordinator, etc.) as a white person.
http://fortune.com/2014/11/04/hiring-racial-bias/
tomato, tomatoThat sounds like preference, not prejudice.
An easy way to fix the incarceration problem is, don't break the law. Works for Blacks, whites, hispanics, Asians, all races.At least read this ARTICLE and consider their premise.
Some people simplify racism as one group not liking another, and think “racist” and “prejudiced” are interchangeable. But racism is a concept that operates on both an individual and institutional level.
At its core, racism is a system in which a dominant race benefits off the oppression of others — whether they want to or not. We don’t live in a society where every racial group has equal power, status, and opportunity. Yes, white people all over the world and throughout history have experienced atrocities like slavery and persecution. But in the very specific context of American history, white people have not been enslaved, colonized, or forced to segregate on the scale that black people have. They do not face housing or job discrimination, police brutality, poverty, or incarceration at the level that black people do. This is not to say that they do not experience things like poverty and police brutality at all. But again, not on the same scale — not even close. That is the reality of racism.
Prejudice is more like ignorance. What exposure you may have is a stereotype, which is probably not pleasant if you have an unfavorable feeling about them.@Hark_The_Sound_2010 gave a good explanation of the difference as well
Ok, that article doesn't really pertain to the discussion at hand, so I'm not really sure what you want me to consider.At least read this ARTICLE and consider their premise.
Some people simplify racism as one group not liking another, and think “racist” and “prejudiced” are interchangeable. But racism is a concept that operates on both an individual and institutional level.
At its core, racism is a system in which a dominant race benefits off the oppression of others — whether they want to or not. We don’t live in a society where every racial group has equal power, status, and opportunity. Yes, white people all over the world and throughout history have experienced atrocities like slavery and persecution. But in the very specific context of American history, white people have not been enslaved, colonized, or forced to segregate on the scale that black people have. They do not face housing or job discrimination, police brutality, poverty, or incarceration at the level that black people do. This is not to say that they do not experience things like poverty and police brutality at all. But again, not on the same scale — not even close. That is the reality of racism.
That's literally all we have been discussing.I'm not arguing the size of the problem.
Some people simplify racism as one group not liking another, and think “racist” and “prejudiced” are interchangeable.
Not hell-bent, but he is the yin to your yang, apparently, in this back-and-forth!I'm not arguing the size of the problem. Im just stating it's a problem that you seem hellbent on minimizing.
I'm confused on this one. I specifically said it was an ignorance vs hate difference. So are you trying to say that you agree with me?Prejudice is more like ignorance. What exposure you may have is a stereotype, which is probably not pleasant if you have an unfavorable feeling about them.
Racism, or being a racist, is knowing fully- or at least you think you do- about the alleged "minority" or group, class, person in that class, whatever, and insisting that they are inferior to you and those like you. And, you might even have enough animosity based on what amounts to a fear of them, that you'd harm them, or do irrational things to make sure they were kept away from you. And, I'm being as polite as possible with this summation.
No... I don't think it's a good idea to confuse preference with prejudice. Unless you want there to be more misunderstandings.tomato, tomato
Racism, or being a racist, is knowing fully- or at least you think you do- about the alleged "minority" or group, class, person in that class, whatever, and insisting that they are inferior to you and those like you. And, you might even have enough animosity based on what amounts to a fear of them, that you'd harm them, or do irrational things to make sure they were kept away from you. And, I'm being as polite as possible with this summation.
You offered what Hark said as an explanation. I was asking for your definition. If you agree with what I wrote, then that works even better.I'm confused on this one. I specifically said it was an ignorance vs hate difference. So are you trying to say that you agree with me?
So in my poast #813, was that prejudice or racist?No... I don't think it's a good idea to confuse preference with prejudice. Unless you want there to be more misunderstandings.
His explanation was only part of my response. The first part of that post was a previous post of mine.You offered what Hark said as an explanation. I was asking for your definition. If you agree with what I wrote, then that works even better.
There you go, proving my point for me again.
I agree except for the part about referring to them as "scum." I recently saw a lot of my so-called liberal friends calling other people (Neo-Nazi') scum of the earth. I realize that their ideas about our social/racial mixing is dangerous to a peaceful society. But, I just never feel right referring to anyone as "scum." They are human beings, too. They're different in their thinking, but being misguided (as we see them) doesn't mean they deserve to be harmed.Yes, and people that think/act like that are scum. However recently, it's become commonplace to call people racist simply for disagreeing on an issue, when they exhibit none of the above qualities. That's where I see the problem.
We could say that all racists are prejudiced, but not all prejudiced people are racists!exactly racism is much more complicated and i agree with the concept that at their core a racist believes one race to be inferior to another.
THAT'S what I thought I remembered reading. This has turned into an epic-long thread.His explanation was only part of my response. The first part of that post was a previous post of mine.
"It basically comes down to ignorance vs. hate. Let me give you an example. An old woman who's interaction with black people is limited to watching TV and reading the paper. Based on what she sees on TV, she thinks that most black people act a certain way. She doesn't hate black people, but she stereotypes them. That lady would have a prejudice towards black people, but she's not a racist. A racist thinks that another race is inferior to their own. Make sense?"
Yeah, but it's been a pretty good one for the most part. I'd rather have a thread like this than a thread with pictures of half naked dudes with their nipples pierced. NTTAWWTTHAT'S what I thought I remembered reading. This has turned into an epic-long thread.
Amen brother. I really thought I was reviving something that had great potential until some Jackwagon screwed it up.Yeah, but it's been a pretty good one for the most part. I'd rather have a thread like this than a thread with pictures of half naked dudes with their nipples pierced. NTTAWWT
I'd rather have a thread like this than a thread with pictures of half naked dudes with their nipples pierced.
I don't think it's either. I think it was just an anecdote where there were racial implications. Pointing out racial implications is neither racist or prejudiced, I don't think. At least not in the way you stated what happened.So in my poast #813, was that prejudice or racist?
I don't think just because someone thinks racism is almost done makes them a right wing fringe loonie. Some may not experience it that often or at all. Lots of it depends on your location.
I agree except for the part about referring to them as "scum." I recently saw a lot of my so-called liberal friends calling other people (Neo-Nazi') scum of the earth. I realize that their ideas about our social/racial mixing is dangerous to a peaceful society. But, I just never feel right referring to anyone as "scum." They are human beings, too. They're different in their thinking, but being misguided (as we see them) doesn't mean they deserve to be harmed.
I guess, in short, when a person refers to (or acknowledges) another person as "scum", they run the risk of dehumanizing them. And, when you can dehumanize ANYONE, that's when muthahfvckahs get killed!
So he and I were doing the exact same thing and he gets a glowing review and I don't and you don't think it was racial?I don't think it's either. I think it was just an anecdote where there were racial implications. Pointing out racial implications is neither racist or prejudiced, I don't think. At least not in the way you stated what happened.
A fun ride, no doubt.Yeah, but it's been a pretty good one for the most part. I'd rather have a thread like this than a thread with pictures of half naked dudes with their nipples pierced. NTTAWWT
Yeah, whenever that comparison is made it really upsets me. I've almost put a couple people on ignore because of it. My grandfather served in WWII and fought actual Nazis. To compare anything that is going on today to what he fought against is dumb.i think true 1930 nazi's were scum! 3/4 of the people that compare people to those ture nazi's or trump to adolf hitler have no clue about how evil those guys really were. read about josef mengele and his experiments on children in concentration camps if you want to see the true face of evil.
I understand and agree that what they did is not something I want to mimic. I'm not condoning what any of those people did. That's why I don't mimic them, and I encourage others not to mimic them either. When you allow yourself to dehumanize THEM, then you're mimicking them. They dehumanized other people. We're all capable of doing anything and everything that others do on a behavioral level. Hate, and especially fear, can turn civilized people into uncivilized people very quickly.i think true 1930 nazi's were scum! 3/4 of the people that compare people to those ture nazi's or trump to adolf hitler have no clue about how evil those guys really were. read about josef mengele and his experiments on children in concentration camps if you want to see the true face of evil.
I guess I'm not understanding what you're asking me. Are you asking if YOU were behaving or acting racist? No, I don't think you were. I don't know what the principal saw. That's a two-sides-to-every-story thing. From your assertion, they were being racist toward you. Or, it's entirely possible they were, or he was.So he and I were doing the exact same thing and he gets a glowing review and I don't and you don't think it was racial?
At least read this ARTICLE and consider their premise.
Some people simplify racism as one group not liking another, and think “racist” and “prejudiced” are interchangeable. But racism is a concept that operates on both an individual and institutional level.
At its core, racism is a system in which a dominant race benefits off the oppression of others — whether they want to or not. We don’t live in a society where every racial group has equal power, status, and opportunity. Yes, white people all over the world and throughout history have experienced atrocities like slavery and persecution. But in the very specific context of American history, white people have not been enslaved, colonized, or forced to segregate on the scale that black people have. They do not face housing or job discrimination, police brutality, poverty, or incarceration at the level that black people do. This is not to say that they do not experience things like poverty and police brutality at all. But again, not on the same scale — not even close. That is the reality of racism.
From your assertion, they were being racist toward you. Or, it's entirely possible they were, or he was.
My assertion was that she was being racist toward me. And my point is that it is not always white people who are racist.I guess I'm not understanding what you're asking me. Are you asking if YOU were behaving or acting racist? No, I don't think you were. I don't know what the principal saw. That's a two-sides-to-every-story thing. From your assertion, they were being racist toward you. Or, it's entirely possible they were, or he was.