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2025 recruiting....

I really have no idea if anyone was "gaslighting" since it implies an intentional obfuscation of a known truth, but I stick to my belief that UNC is handling recruiting the proper way and staying true to its ideals! I have no idea if UNC offered 300K or 1.5 million to peeps and I don't really care. I like the state of the program and I see no reason not to believe it will continue to trend upwards! The problems I see are good ones to have! Hubs has to figure out how to keep all of the talented athletes on his team happy and how to maximize their talent!

When was the last time a team won because of a freshman? How many teams have won it all without starting a freshman? Isn't it clear yet that HS recruiting is only one of the viable sources for talent?

Keep up the good work, Hubs!
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Preseason Rankings: AP vs Pomeroy

"A team that uses 28 seconds of the shot clock and allows 55 PPG vs a team that uses 20 seconds of the shot clock and allows 55 PPG... That's a huge difference that prior to more evolved analytics sites, that difference wasn't common knowledge."

Yes it is a huge difference BUT 100% wrong that it wasn't common knowledge! Any coach or knowledgeable fan worth his salt can see the difference between a team that holds the ball to limit possessions and a team that limits scoring by playing suffocating D! Holding the ball was designed to cover up either a defensive, athletic, or matchup deficiency. It shortens the game and highlights execution over skill or depth! Nothing wrong with figuring it out either way, but we definitely don't need the advanced analytics to figure it out! AND doesn't the algorithm assume all home sites provide the same advantage? This is obviously false! I get how the metrics are fascinating/informative for some, but I just don't need them! I need plain stats like FT/FG %, turnovers, fouls, etc. The most advanced stat I pay attention to is Points per Possession, lol. But I don't ever need to know what OE or DE even mean! Don't get me started on Ortg or whatever! I can analyze stats, even advanced ones since data analysis is a huge part of my job, but I just don't see them adding value in sports for me!
Offensive efficiency is basically the same as points-per-possession. But instead of points per one possession, OE and DE are points per 100 possessions. Adjusted is adjusted to the quality of the opponent. But they're basically the same thing.

I don't think any of the reputable advanced metric sites factor in Ortg or Drtg in their team rankings.

Also, sure it's different playing at Kansas vs playing at Western Illinois. I'm guessing he took the totality of the 300+ home courts in the country and found a median point that made sense in his formula. Sure there are home courts that may provide you 3 points, which is on the high end. There are others that provide you 0 points of advantage. So I'm guessing that's where he came to a number somewhere in between. I don't think that's ridiculously unreasonable. Also, everyone's perception of homecourt might be different too.

It's also been somewhat proven that field goal percentage is a stat that's far less meaningful unless you know the complete context. For example, when UNC lost to Duke in 2012. UNC shot 49% from the field and Duke shot 43% overall. But the field goal percentages were basically irrelevant because Duke made 14/36 3s and UNC shot 1/6 from 3. When you are out 3'd to that level, it makes the field goal percentage far less meaningful.

I will say I think analytics has taken a lot of the mystery out of sports. But I don't blame analytics for that. Analytics discovered in baseball that strikeouts aren't the worst thing in baseball offensively and there's really no difference between a strikeout and a popout. One just looks worse on the box score because you don't categorize a pop out in the box score. Also, oftentimes, a strikeout is a much more productive out than grounding into a double play. But unfortunately that has turned baseball into a 3 outcome sport and I don't think that's necessarily good for that sport. But that's not the fault of analytics. That's the fault of the sport.

I'm not a particularly big fan of basketball becoming a 3PT shooting contest. But again, not really the fault of analytics. If you have a shot that's worth 50% more, that better become a main weapon in your offense.

But back to the main point of this thread. The preseason polls are all meaningless. But I don't think it's a bad thing to get some attention paid of college basketball. If that means KenPom throws up their preseason poll, then fine. Who cares? It will be decided on the court anyways.

2025 recruiting....

I'd add Kansas State, apparently BYU, and Baylor
Yea but look at their 25 classes right now…

1 more thing that I have read…That the Ram Clubs big money people are having a hard time spending money on kids to come play at UNC…They would rather spend it on facilities and scholarships…

This system is not sustainable it will break down in 2 or 3 years…Or you will see schools basically drop every sport except Football and Basketball…
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Quick stuff (JCS exhibition)...

Our team will be small situationally but it doesn't have to be. We could have a 6'3", 6'5", 6'8", 6'9", 6'10" or 11" lineup if needed. We can play any style and matchup well with almost all teams. The key is we will need to rebound as a team and play hard nosed D all game. I see Hubs emphasizing running and getting in peeps' jocks. I expect this team to embrace it and be deep enough to sustain it. I see only 1 potential limitation and that is individual will! With 9-10 guys ready to step up, I see plenty of motivation to stay focused because you can easily see yourself move down the bench! Why would you question that UNC teams have played multiple D styles in the past? I anticipate seeing even more of it this year as they gel.
Maybe your right. Again, I just haven't seen a UNC team that plays with a ferocious intensity of D for 40 minutes each game. I don't really think that's been UNC's identity historically. But this is a different team so they'll be able to create whatever identity that they want to.

And because it will be a different team and a much younger team in some key spots, I don't think the multiple defenses will happen early in the season.

I wouldn't define UNC historically as an overly multiple defense, but that's me. For me, I don't really differentiate much between 21 and 22 base man-to-man defense. Then they run and jump situationally. Again, for me, not very multiple. I don't know how you have a multiple defense if zone isn't really part of that equation either. And when they do zone, you know they're zoning because it's on underneath the basket in bounds plays. So the opponent can very easily game plan for that.

UNC switching from 21 to 24 man to man defense and calling that multiple is like saying Syracuse was multiple because they had iterations of the 2-3 zone. If you want to call that multiple, then that's fine. I disagree with the definition.

OOTB's Political Thread . ..

This is a knee jerk reaction to another law in Calif school districts REQUIRING schools to notify parents if their kids want to be referred to with different pronouns. All of it is stupid af. First off a school should use whatever the fuk pronoun they feel is appropriate. Not the kids. I would make an exception if the parents step in. If a parent feels it’s best for their kid to be called something different then I would support that. In other words, if you’re a kid that wants to be referred to with diff pronouns you should go to your parents and your parents to the school.

Kneejerk reaction to a law stating they must be notified of happenings in their child's life? Asking for parents to be notified of things having to do with their children elicits a "kneejerk reaction"? Jesus...

First off a school should use whatever the fuk pronoun they feel is appropriate.

This is an interesting statement. I think I agree. The only issue is batshit crazy, loser, teachers and administrators with their own agenda aren't making sound decisions.

Preseason Rankings: AP vs Pomeroy

I suspect Pomeroy would argue with the "arbitrary" part of your comment.

The respected field of Baysian statistics involves using assumptions when actual data aren't available yet.
I'm quite familiar, as I have a math degree. Assumptions can be based on observable data as preconditions or they can be arbitrary. The assumptions in question here are far more arbitrary than observable and thus, speculative. This issue is exacerbated by modern roster flux.

In other words, let some games play out.

OOTB's Political Thread . ..

It's easy to see who has children on this board and who doesn't.
This is a knee jerk reaction to another law in Calif school districts REQUIRING schools to notify parents if their kids want to be referred to with different pronouns. All of it is stupid af. First off a school should use whatever the fuk pronoun they feel is appropriate. Not the kids. I would make an exception if the parents step in. If a parent feels it’s best for their kid to be called something different then I would support that. In other words, if you’re a kid that wants to be referred to with diff pronouns you should go to your parents and your parents to the school.
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2025 recruiting....

When you may who is that….

dook
UK
Arkansas
UConn

That’s just 4 off the top of my head…I really can’t think of that many when you consider how many teams play D1 basketball..KU has yet to get a commitment in the 25 class…I think UNC is having the same problems that many are having in this new day and age…
I'd add Kansas State, apparently BYU, and Baylor

OOTB's Political Thread . ..

Seriously, Trump is running an ad calling Kamala the "c-word". They think denigrating women is a winning strategy for their deplorable cult members.
Typical. SOP for TDS and your posts.

First, it's not Trump, it was Musk's PAC.

Second, the reference to the "c-word" is used to catch the viewer's attention and then you are given the actual word - Communist.

I'm gonna chalk this up to you not actually seeing the ad and relying on your crack sm sources for your news, or just that you have a five second attention span and never made it to the part where they gave you the actual c-word.

2025 recruiting....

I don't disagree but so many Universities don't seem to share our problems???
When you may who is that….

dook
UK
Arkansas
UConn

That’s just 4 off the top of my head…I really can’t think of that many when you consider how many teams play D1 basketball..KU has yet to get a commitment in the 25 class…I think UNC is having the same problems that many are having in this new day and age…

OOTB's Political Thread . ..

A. Not true.
B. Even if it were true, it doesn't follow.
There wasn't an A and a B, so I have no idea to what you are commenting. However, it's nice to know that you don't think parental involvement versus schools and other government representatives isn't "serious stuff". Proves my entire point. Appreciated.

OOTB's Political Thread . ..

A. Not true.
B. Even if it were true, it doesn't follow.

OOTB's Political Thread . ..

Hey look, another moron trumptard donates his life because he's too stupid to know he's being conned.

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Hey look, fours years after an event, a week before an election involving He Who Must Not Be ReElected is happening, this story breaks. Wow. They must have finally got the pictures back from the drugstore. Those guys take forever.
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