ADVERTISEMENT

Very Important Fact

The Tar Heels have lost 10-plus games in four-straight seasons for the first time since a six-year streak from 1950-56.

And if you think ACC basketball today is anything close to being as strong top to bottom as it was from 1953-56, you are out of touch. These recent UNC teams are mediocre in an ACC that is as weak as it ever has been.

The Gif Thread

Rules: You must poast a gif either from the same movie as the previous gif OR from a different movie/show that has an actor from the previous gif, and said actor must be shown in your gif.

Example: If I poasted the Bill Heder "let's pump the brakes" from Forgetting Sarah Marshall gif, your options for the next gif would be:
- any other gif from Forgetting Sarah Marshall
- any other Bill Heder gif from a movie/show

Oh and let's not double poast unless the thread stalls. And here we go...

national_treasure_tropic_thunder.gif
  • Like
Reactions: heelz2345

Dean and Roy

I’ve read a couple posts today that kinda reference Dean and Roy’s coaching styles. I’m curious. With Roy it was run run run, and it was fun to watch. Basically used Deans fast breaks and secondary breaks the same. Wasn’t a great x and o play designer. Defenses close because neither cared about really defending the three, .
Dean did know how to coach a zone and do it well, Roy hadn’t a clue. even he said so.
I seem to remember well Deans teams could win playing a game in the 60-70 range just as easy as he could in the 90-110 range. Roy, not so much. Dean could win with substandard players because he knew how to coach period. Roy needed that PG that had jets or was an outstanding passer. Dean, hard nosed coach on the floor PG who never stopped hustling, and could reliably shoot when called upon. Phil Ford not withstanding. So one would think with HD having played for Dean (who is the GOAT) and sat beside Roy all those years his philosophy would fall somewhere around one of the 2. Yet it seems to me that nothing he learned from either playing for, or sitting next to 2 HOF coaches did him any good. That’s what bothers me to no end. I do love HD as a man, but watching us play this year has been like pulling wisdom teeth.
and yes I would love a Time Machine to go back and experience real Carolina basketball again. Nothing wrong with that at all. Send me the parts if ya got em.

UNC's Bubba Cunningham joins call for unequal revenue distribution among ACC schools

Count North Carolina Tar Heels athletic director Bubba Cunningham among the ACC leaders who want to change the way the conference distributes revenue. The ADs at Florida State and Clemson have in recent weeks called for unequal revenue distribution among the ACC's 14 football-playing schools, claiming their schools deserve a larger percentage. (WRAL Sports Fan)

Virginia-Carolina Series (2-1 UVA)

BY UNC ATHLETIC COMMUNICATIONS

CHAPEL HILL, N.C.— The No. 14 North Carolina Tar Heels will open Atlantic Coast Conference play this weekend as they host No. 17 Virginia at 5 p.m. on Friday to open a three-game series.

The second game of the series is scheduled for Saturday at 2 p.m. and the finale is slated for Sunday at 1 p.m.

UNC (11-3) enters the weekend series having won seven in a row, powered by 21 home runs and an OPS of 1.086 during its streak. The Tar Heels have scored 72 runs over the last seven games, while hitting .317 as a team.

North Carolina matched its season-high with 15 runs against Penn State on Wednesday as part of a 10-run victory. The Tar Heels have scored eight or more runs nine times in 14 games and have been held under five runs only twice.

Tomas Frick belted two home runs against the Nittany Lions and Hunter Stokely hit solo shot as UNC hit multiple home runs in its eighth consecutive game. The Tar Heels rank eighth nationally in home runs with 30, which is third-most in the ACC behind Wake Forest (34) and NC State (31).

Pitching Matchups Friday | 5 p.m. (ACCNX) Saturday | 2 p.m. (ACCNX)Sunday | 1 p.m. (ACCNX)
North CarolinaRHP Max CarlsonRHP Connor BovairRHP Jake Knapp
VirginiaRHP Nick ParkerRHP Brian EdingtonRHP Jack O'Connor
LinksWATCH | LISTEN | STATSWATCH | LISTEN | STATSWATCH | LISTEN | STATS

ABOUT VIRGINIA
Virginia (12-0) is one of three unbeaten teams remaining in college baseball – Alabama (14-0) & NC State (13-0). It marks the second-straight year, the Cavaliers are one of the last three undefeated teams in the country.

The Cavaliers rank third in the country in team batting average (.365), fifth in team ERA (2.29) and sixth in fielding percentage (.988). Virginia is the only team in the country to rank in the top 20 in all three categories.

THE SERIES
The Tar Heels have won the season series against the Cavaliers in four of the last five seasons and has won each of the last three series at Boshamer Stadium (2017, 2019, 2021), winning each series 2-1. Last season, Virginia swept the three-game series in Charlottesville. Carolina leads the all-time series 188-116-4 with a record of 120-65 in ACC games.
  • Like
Reactions: ohio tarheels

The "run" was the outlier

Has anyone considered that everyone has been thinking ass backwards about this team? With the exception of the run from mid February on last year (punctuated only by a BAAD loss to Pitt) UNC has not been very good the last 4 years. Obviously Manek caught fire after his PT went up and Garcia left the team. But perhaps, just perhaps, the run was one of those events where things come together for a short time. Yes, it is hard to compare teams and why they play good or bad has many pieces to consider.

So from the point of view of the "run" to the Natty game last year this team was a dismal failure. But how they played is in line with how they played most of last year. Just a thought.

Evaluating the roster at the end of the regular season

TL;DR is there's plenty to criticize Hubert about, but this is also a very flawed roster. We need to drastically retool the team if we're going to be top 25-caliber next year, as we have holes at every position. The key will be if we can reload quickly, and I expect no less than 2 transfer starters next year, potentially up to 4. It's not what we'd like but there's not enough talent on the bench, and there's precedent for this (e.g., K-State has 5 transfer starters and is ranked). Without a talent infusion next year will not be better.

Why are we underachieving? Three big things we thought at the beginning of the year simply aren't true:

  1. Caleb Love would be an All-ACC guard
  2. Pete Nance was a really good player and could replace much of Manek's contributions
  3. Puff, Styles, Dunn, Trimble, and Washington made for a solid, potentially deep bench
Evaluating the roster:

Guards

Davis
: talented scorer but a very limited player. He's not big/athletic enough to guard nearly anyone, making him a considerably worse player than other talented small scorers. He's also not a great passer or dribble penetrator, making him sub-ideal to lead the offense. That means he's best off-ball offensively, but that only works if you have a big point guard that can defend. Love is not that, and neither are most true point guards. So you're left either running out a super small set of guards that can't defend or playing RJ with another off-ball guy and struggling to initiate the offense. Hopefully we can find someone to meet the two way need here next year to pair with Davis.

Love: has lots of talent, but not a winning player because he doesn't have the decision making nor ability to improve his game very much. Can probably shoot if he cleans up his shot selection, but handle is loose and needs lots of spacing to penetrate. This worked a lot better when you have Manek creating spacing; this year (and his freshman year) the lane is often clogged due to lack of shooting threats and he struggles. On top of that his defensive technique is terrible, and effort is inconsistent. I expect he will move on after the season, wherever that leads.

Trimble: it's hard to imagine struggling more than he has offensively this year. I'll compare him to another disappointing top 50 point guard with lots of athleticism.

  1. Trimble: 6.9 points per 40 minutes, .472/.167/.548 shooting line, 1 three made all season, 2.5 / 2.4 A/TO per 40, 3.3 rebounds and 0.8 steals per 40. 315 total minutes
  2. Seventh Woods: 7.9 points per 40 minutes, .306/.167/.610 shooting line, 2 threes made all season, 6.3 / 5.4 A/TO per 40, 7.1 rebounds and 2.7 steals per 40. 309 total minutes
Seventh really struggled to score from two and turned the ball over, which at least Trimble's avoided. But even Seventh was able to score more often and showed a lot more passing ability. He also popped much more athletically, with more than twice as many rebounds and triple the steal rate. It's early, but I just really don't see much with Trimble. He's got a long way to go to even be an adequate reserve, and I think expectations need to come down. He's not starting next season.

Dunn: Similar to Trimble, I think we need to lower expectations. Dunn has hit a few threes, and that's about it. People might want to compare him to Kenny Williams as a low usage, limited athlete 3 and D guy. So far though Dunn is pretty far off what Kenny achieved his first two seasons:

  1. Dunn: 10.1 points per 40, .476/.283/.636 shooting line, 1.4/ 1.4 A/TO per 40, 2.7 rebounds and 0.8 steals per 40. 341 total minutes
  2. Williams (first two seasons, approximate avgs): 10 points per 40, .558/.301/.694 shooting line, 3.4 / 1.7 A/TO per 40, 5 rebounds and 1.4 steals per 40. 739 total minutes
There's not a single stat that Dunn equals Williams at except for total points, and he doesn't have Kenny's defensive reputation. He's a limited player who hopefully can further improve his shooting to where he's reliable there and can be a shooter off the bench for us.

Wings

Leaky
: Have heard a lot of people say he's the least of our problems; while Leaky's defense deserves all the praise it gets, his (and the rest of the wings') lack of offense is making it much harder on the other players. Bacot gets doubled even before the catch, and wings dig hard on every Davis/Love drive. You can't really afford to have multiple non-scorers playing at the same time, but this unfortunately describes too many of our players. We've had recent successful low usage players like the aforementioned Kenny Williams or Theo Pinson, but they both brought some offensive skill to the table.

Kenny could shoot, which spaced the floor for others, and averaged almost 15 points per 40 minutes in his best season. Theo was a good ball handler who could pass, averaging a PG-like 6.3 assists per 40 for his career and almost 14 points per 40 as a senior. Leaky has never even averaged 10 points per 40, is under 30% from three this year and for his career, and is down to 3.2 assists per 40 for his career, falling to under 2 this year. It's one thing to be limited on offense, but it's another still to not add much value at all there. That pretty much negates all his positive defensive value.

Nance: more of a big, but fits in this section. Unfortunately Nance's SR year at Northwestern seems to be mostly empty calorie stats on a bad team, as he's been underwhelming. Doesn't really space the floor, shooting under 50% from 2, low rebounding numbers for a hybrid big, assists have been cut in half from last year, and not strong/quick enough to be a defensive plus. Not providing spacing has been killer for our offense compared to Brady, and he's not making up for it on the defensive end.

Puff: three seasons in, Puff has dealt with a lot of injuries but I think we can safely conclude he's a role player at the ACC level. 11.2 career points per 40 minutes and a 26% career 3-pt shooter whose not a great rebounder and is a foul machine, he doesn't stand out on either end. He rarely looks horrible, but is not a scorer and doesn't excel on defense either on-ball or off-ball.

Styles / Nickel: hard to say with these two as they've gotten so little time. Thing is though, when the rest of your wings aren't great their lack of time likely portends really poorly. If they were better they'd be getting run. Styles doesn't have offensive skills for this level and his negative 6.5 BPM in his very limited minutes is about as bad as you'll see. NIckel looks fine offensively, but i can only assume gets blown by all the time in practice to make Hubert think he's mostly unplayable defensively.

Bigs

Bacot: clearly our best player. Offensive and rebounding stud. He holds his own but is not terrific defensively, due to lack of foot speed and leaping ability mostly.

Washington: showed some flashes as a scorer, though not gotten many minutes. Comparing Wash to some recent UNC centers as freshman:

  1. Washington: 15.9 points per 40, .571 2-pt %, .647 FT %, 9.3 RB per 40, 0.4 blocks per 40
  2. Bacot: 15.7 points per 40, .469 2-pt %, .645 FT %, 13.5 RB per 40, 1.8 blocks per 40
  3. Garrison Brooks: 12.4 points per 40, .528 2-pt %, .587 FT %, 9.5 RB per 40, 0.8 blocks per 40
  4. Kennedy Meeks: 18.6 points per 40, .548 2-pt %, .586 FT %, 14.9 RB per 40, 1.9 blocks per 40
There's clearly offensive skill there, as Washington has the best shooting of the bunch. The concern is the rebounding and defense, where he's the worst of the group by far, and Brooks was a bit undersized to play center. We don't know the extent that injuries are continuing to limit Washington's explosiveness, but there's a danger of similar issues as RJ Davis. It's possible Washington may struggle to find a position if he's not actually a center, but also not quick enough to defend 4s on the wing. You can't afford to have a center provide so little rim protection. Nonetheless, Washington is showing the most promise of the young players and the only one who really profiles as a potential starter in the future.

Overall

If you read all that you can see that we really only have one player without major flaws, so it shouldn't be too surprising we're a bubble team. The roster is simply deficient relative to Carolina standards: we have a thin group of guards that can't defend, no offensive talent on the wing, and no solid bigs behind Armando.

Next year

We have High and Wilcher coming in. Wilcher could be Coby White, I really have no idea, but the #30 recruit in the class is not typically a hugely impactful player as a freshman. I expect at least one of Cadeau/Jackson to reclass, both because we have little offensive talent and because reclass rumors tend to turn into actual reclasses. So one of them could be starting alongside Davis, though I think absent them being fully ready we need a top flight lead ball handler to relieve Davis of PG duties and a two way wing (potentially two... who is starting there next year?). That's assuming Davis and Bacot return. If not we need a starting center to pair with Washington (who could have more injuries or otherwise not be fully ready) and potentially another guard/wing.
ADVERTISEMENT

Filter

ADVERTISEMENT