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Americans are mostly fat people who are in shitty health. Nature doesn't need to bring its A game in order to impact this country. It amazes me how huge people have become. I've never understood obesity. No one ever got fat overnight, or when they weren't expecting it.

I was in a car wreck couple years ago and my mobility was severely limited for 6 mos. i put on 30 lbs just like that. Lack of exercise and eating out of boredom. I go through cycles of losing ten or so then gaining it back but it’s hard as hell to get rid of.
 
I was in a car wreck couple years ago and my mobility was severely limited for 6 mos. i put on 30 lbs just like that. Lack of exercise and eating out of boredom. I go through cycles of losing ten or so then gaining it back but it’s hard as hell to get rid of.
Being forced into immobility from an accident is a unique exception.

People are getting fatter and fatter, though. And, it's not from recuperating from an accident.
 
I know a fellow who was as big as a large bull. He had gastric bypass surgery. He went from eating a peck of food per meal to just over a cup full. We would be suprised at how little we really need to eat to survive. I lose weight, and gain it back. Food is very convenient. Unhealthy food is staple these days. It think it also has something to do with how foods are modified genetically as well
 
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I know a fellow who was as big as a large bull. He had gastric bypass surgery. He went from eating a peck of food per meal to just over a cup full. We would be suprised at how little we really need to eat to survive. I lose weight, and gain it back. Food is very convenient. Unhealthy food is staple these days. It think it also has something to do with how foods are modified genetically as well
I'm curious about this part - "It think it also has something to do with how foods are modified genetically as well".

Like calories/glycemic factors of the plant or animal or what?
 
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I'm curious about this part - "It think it also has something to do with how foods are modified genetically as well".

Like calories/glycemic factors of the plant or animal or what?
Some of the diet guru's label how corn, wheat, and other food items are modified to be pest free. They state that it changes how the body is able to process that food. Also in modified animals as well.
 
I know a fellow who was as big as a large bull.

Unhealthy food is staple these days. It think it also has something to do with how foods are modified genetically as well

curious about the first part as it had me picturing a bull with a human head...mostly because i have never heard that as a way to describe someone...really, that large of a human?

the second part is not only an issue, but should be a concern...we had a thread about this a couple of years ago and it was largely made fun of.
 

This is where i first read on this. The books dive deeper in the idea. Its a real thing. Maybe not conspiracy level stuff, but our food is designed. Ive heard our local farmers talk about tomatoes and how they have changed due to cross pollination with modified varieties. They would keep seeds for the next year, and as time wemt on, the taste and look of the tomatoes changed as well.
 
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This is where i first read on this. The books dive deeper in the idea. Its a real thing. Maybe not conspiracy level stuff, but our food is designed. Ive heard our local farmers talk about tomatoes and how they have changed due to cross pollination with modified varieties. They would keep seeds for the next year, and as time wemt on, the taste and look of the tomatoes changed as well.
Chemical/hormone impacts seem not good. I'm guessing the healthy-eating lobby will out-spend the food industrial complex lobby and get some trustworthy research on this soon.
 

This is where i first read on this. The books dive deeper in the idea. Its a real thing. Maybe not conspiracy level stuff, but our food is designed. Ive heard our local farmers talk about tomatoes and how they have changed due to cross pollination with modified varieties. They would keep seeds for the next year, and as time wemt on, the taste and look of the tomatoes changed as well.

i completely bought into this years ago...probably after seeing a show on netflix, ironically enough.
 




and a quick look at this site shows shows all 3 Naples hospitals above 90% at their their hospital bed count or their ICU. But sure, keep shitting on nurses who make $40K a year pulling 15 hour shifts to save the lives of these idiots who are too stubborn to put a piece of cloth on their face.
 




and a quick look at this site shows shows all 3 Naples hospitals above 90% at their their hospital bed count or their ICU. But sure, keep shitting on nurses who make $40K a year pulling 15 hour shifts to save the lives of these idiots who are too stubborn to put a piece of cloth on their face.

blonde top knot girl, probably just bought a bunch of sushi and gatorade propel, looks in the video like her space is being invaded.
 
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and a quick look at this site shows shows all 3 Naples hospitals above 90% at their their hospital bed count or their ICU. But sure, keep shitting on nurses who make $40K a year pulling 15 hour shifts to save the lives of these idiots who are too stubborn to put a piece of cloth on their face.

I doubt there is a single RN in America that only makes $40k.

Also, I stayed at the Ritz Carlton in Naples once. The Concord flew right over our heads on the beach one day. Pretty neat.

Carry on.
 
I doubt there is a single RN in America that only makes $40k.

I took the average of nurses assistants (26k) and nurses (66k) average salary in Florida and got ~40K. Fine, you want to bump to 50K, go for it. (Source: https://nursinglicensemap.com/resources/nurse-salary/). Now since they are making $50K it's ok that both sets are working 15 hour shifts to save the lives of idiots in the ICU because they won't put a piece of cloth on their face?

Carry on.
 




and a quick look at this site shows shows all 3 Naples hospitals above 90% at their their hospital bed count or their ICU. But sure, keep shitting on nurses who make $40K a year pulling 15 hour shifts to save the lives of these idiots who are too stubborn to put a piece of cloth on their face.
Who's shitting on nurses?
 
I took the average of nurses assistants (26k) and nurses (66k) average salary in Florida and got ~40K. Fine, you want to bump to 50K, go for it. (Source: https://nursinglicensemap.com/resources/nurse-salary/). Now since they are making $50K it's ok that both sets are working 15 hour shifts to save the lives of idiots in the ICU because they won't put a piece of cloth on their face?

Carry on.

Over the summer, when riots were happening and I was bemoaning those criminals needlessly putting LEOs’ lives in danger, I was told that the LEOs made the choice to go in that profession.

Another story from that Naples trip: my family almost had a head on collision with an octogenarian driving the wrong way on a pretty busy road. Those old folks are dangerous!
 
Who's shitting on nurses?

People who say "**** it I'm not going to wear a mask and if I get sick I get sick but it's my freedom to not wear one so I am not going to despite everything actual doctors say."

We got a few crawling around these parts and hundreds of thousands in that place inhabited by super intelligent people called Florida.
 
Over the summer, when riots were happening and I was bemoaning those criminals needlessly putting LEOs’ lives in danger, I was told that the LEOs made the choice to go in that profession.

Those criminals are also idiots. What does that have to do with the video from yesterday in the grocery store? Oh, nothing, you're deflecting.
 
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Certain professions are dangerous. We can choose to work in those fields or not.

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People who say "**** it I'm not going to wear a mask and if I get sick I get sick but it's my freedom to not wear one so I am not going to despite everything actual doctors say."

We got a few crawling around these parts and hundreds of thousands in that place inhabited by super intelligent people called Florida.
That's weird logic. If that's your standard, then anyone who does something that could result in a hospital trip is shitting on nurses. And not just nurses. You would have to include doctors, PA, orderlies, etc. So next time you think about driving instead of walking just remember that you could potentially be shitting on nurses if you get in a wreck.
 
That's weird logic. If that's your standard, then anyone who does something that could result in a hospital trip is shitting on nurses. And not just nurses. You would have to include doctors, PA, orderlies, etc. So next time you think about driving instead of walking just remember that you could potentially be shitting on nurses if you get in a wreck.


I get the point you're making and I agree with it. But I don't like the example you used. Because a person who comes in the ER from a car accident isn't potentially endangering the health of a nurse. They can't transmit car accident injuries, which I think is the point that @dadika13 is making when he says people are shitting on nurses.

With that said, those people entered into the profession knowing they are going to be, at times, putting themselves in harm's way. It was a conscious decision they've made. I applaud them.

But the beef I have with dadika's argument that nurses are getting shit on by people who don't wear masks is that no one can say with certainty that they wouldn't have gotten the virus if they were wearing a mask. And if someone wears a mask and they still get it, are they shitting on the nurse because they chose to go to the hospital?
 
Why is this so difficult to understand?

1. @tarheel0910 Comparing spreading a virus and a car ACCIDENT is different by the very word, accident. Texting and driving, yeah, you're an asshole that could kill someone and you could have avoided it. I compare that to not wearing a mask in a crowded place. Studies show in both cases that you're more likely to end up in the hospital if you do that.

2. @gunslingerdick - because someone chose to be in this profession (which we both agree should be applauded) then it's ok to just say F em, let's make their life hell? 90%+ capacity isn't normal. That's not what they signed up for. If you take precautions and still get Covid, then that happens, like a car accident you probably couldn't avoid. If people ignore the extremely simple science that says if you wear a mask you are less likely to get Covid (and thus less likely to be in the hospital with it) then you're shitting on someone who has to take care of your ignorance. That is texting while driving.

This logic shouldn't be this difficult for you to understand.
 
I get the point you're making and I agree with it. But I don't like the example you used. Because a person who comes in the ER from a car accident isn't potentially endangering the health of a nurse. They can't transmit car accident injuries, which I think is the point that @dadika13 is making when he says people are shitting on nurses.
My purpose for using that example was because it could be avoided, just like him saying something could be avoided by wearing a mask. But I'll cede your point. I'll modify and add that he has gonorrhea and his wound from the crash is on his balls. In that example, he's put the nurse in harm's way of catching gonorrhea.
 
1. @tarheel0910 Comparing spreading a virus and a car ACCIDENT is different by the very word, accident. Texting and driving, yeah, you're an asshole that could kill someone and you could have avoided it. I compare that to not wearing a mask in a crowded place. Studies show in both cases that you're more likely to end up in the hospital if you do that.
It's an accident that could have been avoided though. Just like wearing a mask can help with the rona, walking can help with car crashes. Studies show that you're more likely to get in a wreck if you are in a car.

But I was obviously using an extreme example. I could have used smoking or drinking or STDs. There are easy ways to avoid the side effects of smoking and drinking. You could also wear a condom to reduce your chances of getting an STD.
 
It's an accident that could have been avoided though. Just like wearing a mask can help with the rona, walking can help with car crashes. Studies show that you're more likely to get in a wreck if you are in a car.

But I was obviously using an extreme example. I could have used smoking or drinking or STDs. There are easy ways to avoid the side effects of smoking and drinking. You could also wear a condom to reduce your chances of getting an STD.

I think the condom example is a good one. If you bang some chick you don't know without a condom, which I'll compare to being in a close indoor space these days with someone you don't know, then you get an STD it makes you the idiot.

My main point is when your local hospital is getting crushed you should be doing everything in your power to keep yourself out of it...for your sake, for the hospital workers sake, for small businesses sake, for everyone. That point seems to be argued here and I don't get why.
 
I think the condom example is a good one. If you bang some chick you don't know without a condom, which I'll compare to being in a close indoor space these days with someone you don't know, then you get an STD it makes you the idiot.

My main point is when your local hospital is getting crushed you should be doing everything in your power to keep yourself out of it...for your sake, for the hospital workers sake, for small businesses sake, for everyone. That point seems to be argued here and I don't get why.


Where does that stop? One could argue that choosing to go into the store instead of ordering your groceries online and having them delivered is "not doing everything in your power". Or one could argue that choosing to send your child to school instead of choosing 100% online learning is "not doing everything in your power". There are many decisions that individuals make where the opposite decision would be "safer". Why do you only focus on the mask decision?
 
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Where does that stop? One could argue that choosing to go into the store instead of ordering your groceries online and having them delivered is "not doing everything in your power". Or one could argue that choosing to send your child to school instead of choosing 100% online learning is "not doing everything in your power". There are many decisions that individuals make where the opposite decision would be "safer". Why do you only focus on the mask decision?

Because it's the easiest one. Schools, sheltering in, etc. are complicated and require doing things that I agree some people just can't do or it really freaking sucks to do.

My main argument against people that won't wear masks is that it's just so freaking simple to wear one. This is such an easy thing. Your star spangled freedom will still be there, I promise.
 
Because it's the easiest one. Schools, sheltering in, etc. are complicated and require doing things that I agree some people just can't do or it really freaking sucks to do.

My main argument against people that won't wear masks is that it's just so freaking simple to wear one. This is such an easy thing. Your star spangled freedom will still be there, I promise.

I'm not going to argue it anymore with you. This will be my last poast on this today. But it seems to me that you're assigning what's easy for you to everyone else.
 
I'm not going to argue it anymore with you. This will be my last poast on this today. But it seems to me that you're assigning what's easy for you to everyone else.

Aside from those with medical conditions that are impacted by a mask, which is basically less than 1% of the population, how is it not easy?

Being mad about wearing a mask is such fake mad. It's Karen type shit.
 
Found out today that my oldest daughter is now a close contact. Apparently someone in her class has the rona, so she has to get tested on Monday.
 
Aside from those with medical conditions that are impacted by a mask, which is basically less than 1% of the population, how is it not easy?

Being mad about wearing a mask is such fake mad. It's Karen type shit.
I think so many feel like they are being played, like lab rats being poked, by the mask medical experts / intelligentsia.

First from people like Fauci/ Birx / WHO / CDC: "masks don't work. Don't wear them". Then it shifted to "masks work. Always wear them." Then admission by any true scientist that most masks or face coverings absolutely can't stop the small microns from passing through the mask. All the masks really can stop is if someone has liquid spit or saliva leaving your mouth or nose.

And then, its been proven to be only transmittable by adult humans with symptoms. Not spreadable by kids or by asymptomatic adults.

Now - we're back to "wear two masks or maybe three - we'll update you on the correct number, based on how we feel week to week. Science! "

Was it Fauci or CDC or WHO who told Biden to say recently "nothing we do can stop the trajectory of the virus". Viruses gonna virus - which is the most accurate, scientific thing these "experts" have said yet.

They see these same experts blatantly and openly defy their own rules and mandates on mask wearing and lockdowns - which is so hypocritical - and again leads to people thinking they are owned sheep, with rules applying to them, but not to their master overlords.

I think people would be more willing to wear the masks if they knew there was a defined end in sight. Once this passes, then we can go back to mask free. Now the "experts" are saying, "nope. Continue to wear masks indefinitely - even if you've had COVID, recovered, and built up immunity. Even if you've had two doses of the vaccine. Enjoy - masks now, masks FOREVER MFERS!!!!" WTF?!

This control game, not based in science, but seemingly to many- is based in control, dehumanization, submission of animals, sheep - in their experiment - is what makes people defiant I think.

Obviously the virus is real. Nothing in any of the data in any state showing when mask mandates have gone in place - with even 95+% mask wearing compliance, have made a difference. In our state of MN, we have super high mask wearing compliance. The COVID cases spiked upward well after mandates were in place. Closely following nationwide second outbreak pattern, with no variation due to high mask wearing. Wearing the masks did nothing to mitigate, or reduce the spike, compared to more open, mask free states. MN over-tested in the state, and used a way too high cycle count in testing, leading to extremely high false positives, but recently that has been rectified - a story for a different day.

Is the 90% capacity higher than normal? I've seen data and stories saying hospitals need to be at 85-95% of capacity to make money. I don't think the 90% of capacity is such a problem. Nationwide, hospitalizations and deaths from (not "with") COVID have plummeted.

Again - I think you'd see mask wearing by the ones who don't wear them - if there were some clearer proof/ statistical evidence that they work and make a difference in reducing serious cases (there isn't) - and if the authorities could give a defined measure - if reached - where we could go back to normal, mask free (they won't).

FYI - by basically every measure, the more populous, older inhabitants in open FL / DeSantis have fared better then locked down, masked up, fkd up NY under Cuomo's regime.
 
i keep seeing this in this thread, so can someone please find the quotes from the experts involved that say these two things:

1) “masks don’t work”
2) “you must wear two masks”

i’ll hang up and take the answer off the air
 
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