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@cletusnow is correct. Here's an opinion piece that discusses the issue in detail and offers possible remedies. According to the article, the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) suggests that as many as 1 in 3 "excess deaths" are from deferred care rather than the virus.
It's worth pointing out that even if we opened everything back up and rolled back all guidance about masking, distancing, handwashing, etc., people would still choose to defer medical care. Deferral might even occur in greater numbers because the virus would almost certainly be more widespread in that scenario. It just goes to show there are no right approaches to this problem, just bad and worse approaches.
Incidentally, the article correctly notes that many people aren't getting needed medical care because they've lost their jobs and their employer-sponsored health insurance. This pandemic should be a wake-up call that it's long past time to ensure every American has access to healthcare services. This should not be a political issue.
It's worth pointing out that even if we opened everything back up and rolled back all guidance about masking, distancing, handwashing, etc., people would still choose to defer medical care. Deferral might even occur in greater numbers because the virus would almost certainly be more widespread in that scenario. It just goes to show there are no right approaches to this problem, just bad and worse approaches.
Incidentally, the article correctly notes that many people aren't getting needed medical care because they've lost their jobs and their employer-sponsored health insurance. This pandemic should be a wake-up call that it's long past time to ensure every American has access to healthcare services. This should not be a political issue.
We politicized beans
I think everyone can agree that beans are good for you. Well, except for those baked beans that those southern far right Nazis eat.
#cancelbushsbakedbeans
1 in 3 of 200,000 is still 132,000, so is Cletus really correct? I said it was from the pandemic, not necessarily covid19 illness itself. Shit happens in pandemics it is why you take them seriously.
Half his links about cancer deaths going up in the future. Future could be years in some of those cancer cases. I took this to mean @cletusnow thinks death from covid19 are largely overblown.
An interesting thing about that JAMA is that itwas from the early 8 weeks of March & April back when people were so freaked-out they were washing grocery store boxes.
I could see borderline heart-attack people avoiding ER back in those early weeks but not since.
So I doubt it's 1 in 3 now. We were around like 60 or 70k at time of that study.
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I read his comment to mean people are dying more frequently from treatable illnesses, which is contributing to excess deaths. That’s true. You read it to mean people dying from treatable illnesses are contributing more to excess deaths than COVID, which is not true. Does that help?
Yeah, I'm going to pass on a Russian vaccine that was made in a few months.
Stoli cures many ailments.
that shit is wayyyyy too smooth.
From what I've seen so far they are either ignoring it or saying it's sketchy as hell.
Don't you have to take into account the treatable illnesses that were counted Covid deaths that were people that died with Covid and didn't die from Covid?
You definitely have to take into account all the false reporting and the nursing homes strong-arming the families of deceased residents to agree to sign off on it being a COVID death even when it wasn't.
when you receive your vaccination, do you say "Za zdorovje" (to health) or "Na zdorovje" (cheers)? Or both?
The last two lines assume the entire population has been exposed. Misinformation should not be reported, not even on your uncle's facebook feed.
I will keep reporting it. Sorry if that offends you, lil fella.
“Your chances of not dying from covid” would be related to being exposed to covid then surviving. That number is like saying “chances of not being shark bit while swimming” and including swimming pools and freshwater lake stats.
yes except no, that's a very poorly-considered analogy, to the point of being silly. You might also be trying too hard. This is a viral pandemic, where exposure is a distinct possibility all the time and anywhere. Just existing under the condition of being surrounded by contagion makes one susceptible, and therefor the statistics of cases and deaths as they relate to general population is perfectly valid. You do understand why you parrot advice about wearing masks, don't you?
As even you point out, the shark threat isn't everywhere. In your shark analogy, you are only susceptible to being bitten if you intentionally go and mingle with sharks in the areas that they are restricted to. Your shark analogy only makes analogical sense if there actually are land sharks that you might run into in a grocery store or in your backyard. There aren't, BTW.
Umm ok, thanks, now please use your wonder-logic powers and explain the mortality rate of .04%
Analyzing the chances of getting shark bit by swimming is only valid if you Use a base population that swims where sharks are
analyzing the chances of dying from covid is only valid if You use a base population that’s been exposed to the virus.
Living in the us doesn’t mean you’re exposed to the virus. Hopefully masks and social distancing are keeping exposure numbers down. I would assume millions have been though. Prob tens of millions.
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still blows my mind, and i chuckle a bit, when i see patrons get turned away from businesses that require masks to enter.
then when i see them pull it out of their pocket to re-enter?
then when i see them pull it out of their pocket to re-enter?
please stop with the idiocy. You aren't exposed to sharks just because you swim in the ocean but the distinct possibility exists, whereas NOT swimming in the ocean precludes your inclusion in shark attack stats; therfore it's valid and correct to base shark attack statistics on the number who swim in the ocean. You aren't exposed to the Corona virus just because you live in the U.S., but the distinct possibility exists and no condition exists where one can exclude himself from that possibility of exposure. Therefor statistics based on cases and deaths relative to the population are valid and meaningful.
It's amazing to me that one who preaches about the need to wear a mask and social distance, etc., among people not known to carry the virus, can so easily forget the reasons for doing so for the sake of thinking he has an argument.
you want me to explain percentages to you? OK, you're 100% an idiot. That means that there isn't even a sliver of you that isn't an idiot. If you were only 50% idiot, you'd be heelman.
I'm surprised you can participate here with all of the parties and social gatherings you're invited to and attend.
No, seriously, you could hire yourself out as a Covid therapy. If people do gather, you show up and they all leave.
remember some time back when in reply to someone I said that you were at least interesting to argue with? I take it back.
you responded to mine, so I responded back That's how message board jibber-jabber works, dimwit, and whether you are interesting or not has nothing to do with it.
