good grief. It all comes down to numbers. Otherwise I’m not arguing feelings with anyone.
how many will be hospitalized?
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good grief. It all comes down to numbers. Otherwise I’m not arguing feelings with anyone.
how many will be hospitalized?
H1N1 wasn't even close to worse than this. That said, yes Democrats are sick for politicizing this. They say Trump is going too far and being racist for banning travel to China. Then they say he isn't doing enough. Then they say he is going too far banning travel to Europe.
Trump details his plan to help those affected by the crisis with paid sick leave, payroll tax cut, deferred corporate taxes, and small business help.
Dems block it to offer paid sick leave, snap benefits, and more unemployment insurance.
GOP blocks it for the first option and Dems say omg the GOP is against paid sick leave. Lol.
This isn't a bet, Rich. Who the hell knows? Why is it so important to you to be right? It isn't about being right, it's about preventing this from being as bad as it could be.
Again, I point to Italy. We cannot end up like those poor people.
I like when people are like who cares the average age of those dying is xx age. Yeah, I mean, who cares about human life because it's a demographic other than your own!
The companies that produce the kits are out of inventory... I don't see how the government could have planned differently in a way that would have prevented that
or don’t cut funding to research such...that is not even something to debate.
unless your name is rich?
Just for spitballing... here's some numbers I heard last night. IF we didn't take some of the measures that we've seen in the last few days (thankfully we are), but if not and 2% of the US population got the virus, that's ~6.5M people. Then even if only 5% of the infected were critical and hospitalized, that's over 300k. A recent John Hopkins study shows there are only about 160k ventilators available in this country. And a good number of those are already in use. We would be woefully unprepared to handle the overload of people needing treatment.
As I said, fortunately we are taking steps now in an effort to flatten the curve, so that we don't end up like Italy, where doctors are having to choose who they can treat and who is left to die.
As I said, fortunately we are taking steps now in an effort to flatten the curve, so that we don't end up like Italy, where doctors are having to choose who they can treat and who is left to die.
The companies could have - the government couldn't make them though. And research funding would help the eventual vaccine, but the kits don't need funding to make - these are public companies producing them.
I learned this morning according to this fine media that it is racist to imply that the coronavirus come from China!
You can't make this shit up but everyone need to keep drinking that media koolaid, and continue to panic!
2 weeks this will never be spoke of again outside of saying the sporting events are going to resume.
You can't make this shit up but everyone need to keep drinking that media koolaid, and continue to panic!
2 weeks this will never be spoke of again outside of saying the sporting events are going to resume.
i think it will take more like a month, but your point remains.
Well on one end of the spectrum there’s idiots hoarding toilet paper and keeping kids home from school. And on the other end there’s you. Whatever this becomes It won’t be over in two weeks.
Interesting read. What’s your take @UNC71-00 ?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...onavirus-its-called-flattening-the-curve/amp/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fo...onavirus-its-called-flattening-the-curve/amp/
I do understand flattening the curve, but flattening it through sheer panic is not the way to go about it.
What more would you like to have done? And what precedent is there to have known something more should have been done?
Ultimately, is it ever possible to prepare enough to satisfy everyone?
I hope we can look back in a few months, and see that the measures being taken were absolutely the right thing to do. I don't have a problem avoiding people as much as possible since I dont really like people much anyway.
And just think of the reduction in tourists during spring breaks, Easter weekend, etc!
At least people haven't figured out that they need to be loading up on booze- I just stocked up for the next 3 months. Would have been pissed if the ABC store was sold out of Woodford and Ketel One
From the article:
"There’s a good reason to “cancel everything.” All these decisions by public officials and businesses are aimed at one goal: slowing down the spread of the virus to avoid overburdening a healthcare system that doesn’t have the infrastructure to handle a sudden surge of tens of thousands of cases at once. Without mass closings, that surge is exactly what will happen, just as it has in Italy"
Without enough test kits, it was he wise thing to do IMO.
I've read articles like that before. One thing I haven't seen is what the long term impact will be on the economy, especially among the poor. I think Italy is going to be screwed for a long time because they shut down the whole country. We obviously haven't done that yet, but what has been done will most certainly hit the economy and the poorest will be hit the hardest.
Exactly. Are poor people better off evicted or exposed to a virus that almost certainly won't affect them?
Looks like we need those evil meanie pharma and life science companies to bail us out of this one by ramping production of the testing kits.
Of course once this is all over, we'll also demand they give back any profits they made from making and selling the kits.
Ya, closing things down will disproportionately impact the poorer population. The middle and upper class are more likely to be in jobs that they can easily do from home with everything closed, and are more likely to have cash reserves to get them through a slower economy and god forbid any layoffs as a result of the shutdowns.
The poor population is more likely to be in jobs that require them to be onsite and unable to do from a remote location, and also more likely to be living paycheck to paycheck and thus less prepared to weather a storm of a slower economy and potential layoffs.
I'm looking forward to watching their long-running show, "Center."
The irony is: The more successful these seemingly drastic public health measures are, the more people will say it was all blown out of proportion.
I hope that if the hoarding sons-a-bitches try to return cases of lysol, wipes, etc after this settles back down, they are told to GF themselves.
I haven't seen anything indicating inventory issues. Where are you hearing that?
My understanding is that the shortage of test kits has two causes. One, rather than adopt the test kits developed by the WHO, the CDC chose to develop its own. The kits they developed had an issue that resulted in inconclusive results, which caused a delay in production. Secondly, the CDC and FDA initially discouraged hospitals and private manufacturers from creating their own test kits because they would have required FDA approval before use. The CDC/FDA have since relaxed that rule but the damage has already been done because time is of the essence.
I think most of the confusion centers around the fact that the political parties haven’t decided what serves their interests best in a response.
Thank you. You're exactly correct, and this is why any attempt to compare illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths to H1N1 will be meaningless (I see @UNC71-00 has liked your poast).
my reason for comparison to H1N1 is to show that full blown panic does no one any good.
for starters, don’t cancel things months down the road.
The message should be “we are pausing (this activity) while our experts assess the best way to move forward in dealing with the Wuhan Flu. Although we don’t exactly know when this will be, we are confident in this country’s medical experts and look forward to proceeding when they deem fit”
I think most rational people can agree that buying ten years worth of toilet paper is probably panic though.
Here's an explanation why that's happening. I'm not buying it (ba dum tiss):
But why toilet paper? A simple scroll through my social media pages shows many are asking the same question: COVID-19 doesn't cause gastrointestinal symptoms, so why the need for excess amounts of toilet paper?
Dimitrios Tsivrikos, a lecturer in consumer and business psychology at University College London, told CNBC's Taylor that toilet paper is an "icon" of widespread panic. "When you enter a supermarket, you're looking for value and high volumes," and people are drawn to toilet paper's large packaging, Tsivrikos said.
And that's likely not the only reason toilet paper is flying off the shelves.
Steven Taylor, a professor and clinical psychologist at the University of British Columbia who specializes in the psychology of pandemics, told NBC News' Manning-Schaffel that panic buying occurs "when people worry about the scarcity of supplies."
Bloomberg's Ari Altstedter and Jinshan Hong report that, when the new coronavirus first emerged and began spreading throughout mainland China, "rumours started that Hong Kong's supply of toilet paper would be affected" because "the city imports most of its goods" from China. That triggered some people in Hong Kong to begin stockpiling the product.
From there, so-called "fear contagion" likely played a role, Sander van der Linden, an assistant professor of social psychology at Cambridge University, told Taylor. "When people are stressed their reason is hampered, so they look at what other people are doing. If others are stockpiling it leads you to engage in the same behavior," he explained.
And sure enough, Altstedter and Hong write, "It wasn't long after coronavirus cases started appearing in Singapore that toilet paper started disappearing. In Australia, a growing number of people have racked up charges related to toilet paper induced fighting, as hashtags #toiletpapergate and #toiletpapercrisis have trended."
The practice has gotten so pervasive that Andy Yap, a professor of organizational behavior at the Singapore campus of INSEAD business school, told Altstedter and Hong, "Even people who were queuing up in the supermarket line to buy toilet paper … have no idea why they are buying toilet paper. … They just see other people doing it and start doing it themselves because they are afraid they might lose out."
https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/03/13/weekly-line
sure. But the people who lead and report on this country have a moral obligation not to panic.
