Let us give Hubert credit for the design of the game winning play. Hubert remained composed during the final few minutes and showed something. Growth
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That final offensive possession was awesome. I fully expected Love to go up for a layup, but that assist to Manek was perfection.
Why would we do that when so many are having so much fun calling for Hubert to be fired?
It is comical reading the posts after squeezing out a 2 point win against a horrible team. Yes, they did win, but it this the new norm? Excited over that?
Same i dont get it. This clemson team would have trouble in the big south this year
Not sure about Hubert, but you’re still a blinder-wearing baiter, so there’s that.
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Sort of like when a child learns to use the big boy toilet the first time.. cool for the parents but in the whole scope of things.. really not a big deal.
This Clemson team almost beat Duke at Duke and anyone in the country would take PJ hall, just needs a few mor pieces around him.
Sorry, I “misremembered”. It probably did cost UK another title though, they were the two best teams. IU was pretty dang good though.
Just a reminder for those needing it: it's Hubert's first year, 24 games into the season, taking over a team that the past two years combined to lose 30 games.
He may be a great coach, he may be trash, but it is really too early to conclusively know one way or the other.
He may be a great coach, he may be trash, but it is really too early to conclusively know one way or the other.
Ouch! That was a painful reminder. The coach of that team chose his successor. I hope he knows how to spot great coaches as well as he won championships!
Nope, I never wear blinders to bait, I prefer to see all around the boat!
You not sure about Hubert now all the sudden? You have been conducting the fire Hubert train, why stop now? Hey, you took the positions you took and yet you do not like being called out for it? Man up and either stand by your words or admit they were incorrect. I am not the guy that has been bashing our head coach at every opportunity, I have been the guy that is supporting our head coach, I do not believe I have said anything negatively personal towards you, I will continue to make my case for Hubert.
So again I ask, is FIRE Hubert still a thing?
Watching Hubert's post game, when he spoke about telling Caleb during that last TO, "it is OK to go out there and make a shot" both gave Caleb the op to smile and know his coach was still in his corner, that his coach trusted him to go make a play. Reminded me of what Dean told Jordan in that natty game's last TO, "if you get the shot, knock it down" and that is exactly what Jordan did. In that moment greatness was born, in that moment Jordan went from Mike Jordan, a nice looking freshman to the GOAT, his Airness, Air Jordan, and the Jordan brand! Even dukies wear Jordan's apparel.
Actually I haven't been the conductor, merely a passenger who doesn't let scraping by to beat bad teams lull me into thinking we're a good team.
It is funny seeing the Hubert supporters getting excited about beating another non tournament team by 2 points lol. I will wait patiently when someone tells me how many teams we have beaten that will make the NCAA Tournament. I guess that answer is exciting!
Right now we are tied with Wake for 3rd place in the ACC and a half of game out of first place in the ACC. Shared this on another thread but it fits this, Roy's first season back at UNC as our head coach was 19-11, was knocked out of the NCAAT in the second round. The very next season he won the natty with the same core players with Marvin being the only real addition. Hubert now has us at 17-7 in his first season as our head coach, in his first season as a head coach. Roy was certainly no rookie head coach when he took the job, this is Hubert's first season as a head coach anywhere.
Yet folks celebrate Roy as a hall of famer and are calling for Hubert to be fired? It is the kind of thinking that to many are using to down grade Hubert that inspired UNC fans to scream for Dean to be fired, duke fans screaming that K needs to be fired, and programs not listening to those lunes that has allowed 2 great programs to flourish. Will Hubert be the next Dean, K, or Roy? I don't know, no one else does either but I am darn sure going to support him until he has had the chance to get this program back to where it should be, if 3 or 4yrs from now we are still struggling then I may be willing to listen to those saying we need another coach, no where close to that point now.
I actually rooted for Dook in that game because I hated IU more than Dook at that time. IU woukd have beaten UK in the FF and won it all that year. I needed Dook to beat IU.
WOW has time shifted over the years.
Dude its a weak conference! Dont act like its hard to do this year.
Do you think we would be only a half game behind in past years with this team? Half game out of 1st place yet in question about making the tournament. That should tell you how weak the conference is.
So if it's so easy, how many of the 15 teams are a half game out or better? Of the teams that are not a half game out, would you switch coaches with any of them or are all their coaches terrible too?
I see we have a Hubert supporter on board.. Why are the other 15 teams so bad? Because they arent North Carolina. We should always be at the top or near the top. This year the only reason we are is because the conference is so weak. Those other teams are always at the bottom anyways.
I know what you're going to say.. well why aren't we as bad as they are then? Number 1, because we have way more talent than those teams and we have a lot more experience this year than we have had the last few years.
But here's the thing.. we should NOT be in question about making the tournament or not. We are way too talented to get blown out by every tournament bound team we play. Do you honestly think our record would be this good in the Big 12, SEC, or other years in the ACC right now? No way.
But here's the thing.. we should NOT be in question about making the tournament or not. We are way too talented to get blown out by every tournament bound team we play. Do you honestly think our record would be this good in the Big 12, SEC, or other years in the ACC right now? No way.
So now there are " Hubert Supporters" that you guys are railing against?
I can't imagine how difficult it must be for some of you " Carolina fans" to sit through a basketball game and actively harbor feelings of glee when things don't go our way. How can your disdain for this current Coach/ Staff allow you to watch with any joy?
There has been numerous instances where my stress levels have been through the roof watching my beloved program struggle, I can't fathom watching and looking for instances to make a point on a forem.
At what point do you back away from what many of you have imposed on the rest of us for months now? If this Coach goes to a FF in next 3 years? If he brings in the #1 recruiting class? What is your level of success that you need to reach to enjoy being a Carolina fan again? I honestly don't think there is a level high enough for this staff to reach for some of you, and that is a you problem.
I'm actually undecided on Hubert - I'm just not going to be a bomb thrower the second I see anything I don't like.
The fact is the ACC is down, but Hubert is also taking over a program that is several years from being nationally relevant. When Roy was losing, did you think he was a terrible coach and should be fired? Yes, he has a winning history, but what he handed off to Hubert was a program that was years from being legitimately good.
I've watched sports enough to know rarely do you have a coach that comes in his first year and crushes it. Most take at least a couple of years to get 'their' players in, 'their' staff, and create 'their' environment.
No one knows how Hubert will be, but what I do know is the people crying for him to already be fired are way overreacting and have wildly unrealistic expectations.
Doherty brought in huge classes and still couldn't win. So if Hubert is the same way, no I wont be happy. The whole reason we brought a new coach in here was to try to win, right? If you call this winning and you are happy with it, fine! But I am not happy with any coach that gets blown out by every tournament bound team they play whether they are new or not. That's inexcusable. Losing is one thing, getting blown out 5 times and barely beating the bottom feeders is another.
When Roy started losing the last couple years, yes I told myself its time for him to go. Being Roy and winning 3 National Championships doesn't exclude you from getting fired. It will for a while, but you obviously have to keep producing. UNC is too big of a name and program to keep losing multiple seasons in a row.
In 1992, UK was a good team, but better in 1993 when adding Mashburn. I wouldn't say that cost Pitino a championship as the Michigan team (Fab 5 as FR), Indiana, Kansas (blew it in the tournament) were all really good teams. UCLA was relevant then with Harrick too. Even Huggins made a run with Cincy.
The Duke/UK game was an all-time game and I loved that UK team. That UK team helped put them back on the map for a run in the 90's that would deliver 2 Titles. I'm a UNC fan through and through, but love college basketball and respected programs like Kansas, Kentucky, etc. and want all of the blue bloods to be good.
There are polarizing views on this topic for sure. Winning at Clemson hasn't always been a cupcake win, even when we had the streak in Chapel Hill. Good UNC teams have won close games there and even Ellington hit a late shot in OT and Barnes hit one at the buzzer to win with VERY good UNC teams. Like I said, UNC has a number of one possession or single digit wins at Clemson...as well as some other ACC programs that aren't powerhouses.
That really isn't relevant as much as some think. Winning on the road in the ACC is good, because even when UNC is down that brand still gets people's best effort. It's why we see so many people set career highs against us. It's not a fluke, it's getting extra pumped for playing that UNC jersey and brand.
I've found over the years that it's hard to change someone's mind once they have an opinion....unless the result changes. Right now we are all waiting to see what happens. I've also learned you can't tell someone who they feel is wrong as they are processing their feelings with real emotion. I would hope no true UNC fan wants Hubert to fail. Some, myself included, thought the hire wasn't the best hire. I expressed it at the time. This is a premium brand and I felt the search should not be limited to someone that played at or coached at UNC only.
For Hubert, you won't find someone that loves UNC much more than he does. Would I want my son (or daughter) to be mentored (life in general) by him, heck yeah. He's a Christian and seems as genuine as they come. But, so is my Mom and she wouldn't be a good UNC coach. Being a great man and having a love of UNC doesn't mean it's the right hire. It's a great addition part of it, but not the end all. I don't want a slimy guy at all, but the coach doesn't have to have played or coached here to ultimately love the school and win games.
It's easy to pick apart the things Hubert doesn't do well, but even Roy (and Dean) had their faults too. No human is perfect. I hope it works out for sure. When I look at the record, I can say he's doing better or at the level I expected. When I look at the state of the ACC and how good teams are, I can say I think he's underachieving. I don't expect UNC to get blown out by 20+ very often and we have the talent that unless we play the absolute best teams, that should not happen. That's a mix of coaching and execution and both have been failures at points of the year.
I do think Hubert will be given a chance to see what he can do and that's probably fair. I just don't like being mediocre/bad like we've been the last 3 years. That's not UNC basketball.
That really isn't relevant as much as some think. Winning on the road in the ACC is good, because even when UNC is down that brand still gets people's best effort. It's why we see so many people set career highs against us. It's not a fluke, it's getting extra pumped for playing that UNC jersey and brand.
I've found over the years that it's hard to change someone's mind once they have an opinion....unless the result changes. Right now we are all waiting to see what happens. I've also learned you can't tell someone who they feel is wrong as they are processing their feelings with real emotion. I would hope no true UNC fan wants Hubert to fail. Some, myself included, thought the hire wasn't the best hire. I expressed it at the time. This is a premium brand and I felt the search should not be limited to someone that played at or coached at UNC only.
For Hubert, you won't find someone that loves UNC much more than he does. Would I want my son (or daughter) to be mentored (life in general) by him, heck yeah. He's a Christian and seems as genuine as they come. But, so is my Mom and she wouldn't be a good UNC coach. Being a great man and having a love of UNC doesn't mean it's the right hire. It's a great addition part of it, but not the end all. I don't want a slimy guy at all, but the coach doesn't have to have played or coached here to ultimately love the school and win games.
It's easy to pick apart the things Hubert doesn't do well, but even Roy (and Dean) had their faults too. No human is perfect. I hope it works out for sure. When I look at the record, I can say he's doing better or at the level I expected. When I look at the state of the ACC and how good teams are, I can say I think he's underachieving. I don't expect UNC to get blown out by 20+ very often and we have the talent that unless we play the absolute best teams, that should not happen. That's a mix of coaching and execution and both have been failures at points of the year.
I do think Hubert will be given a chance to see what he can do and that's probably fair. I just don't like being mediocre/bad like we've been the last 3 years. That's not UNC basketball.
In Roy's first season the ACC had 6 teams (out of 9) that finished season in Top 20. Definitely more of a meat grinder than today.
Hubert was not my first choice ( UNC failed to ask my preference) but I will support him for a reasonable time to right this ship. I certainly don't think 24 games and yet to have his first recruiting class take the floor, is a reasonable time.
If he has not made substantial strides and has this program competing for the ACC Championship and a possible FF by 2024, then my mind may change.
I can still have things in the program that bother me, like his glowing endorsement of his players regardless of reality. But that is hardly a reason to call for his head in year one.
You are right. They were still very blue collar with Woods, Pelphrey and the others. I really liked Travis Ford on that team.
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