Yeah, what the hell is he thinking supporting the guy who coaches our favorite team? What a weirdo.
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Yeah, what the hell is he thinking supporting the guy who coaches our favorite team? What a weirdo.
Based on the 5 that were considered.. Hubert, Wes, Coach Rob, King Rice and Stack.. my order would be Coach Rob by a lot, then King Rice or Wes on a coin flip, then Hubert then Stack a distant, distant 5th. Now outside the UNC family would have been many over any of those 5.
If you are trying to compare Hubert to Matt then you seriously have no idea what was going on with Matt.
Actually, the reason we brought in a new coach is the old one retired.
Actually, It was Hubert's team that has got blown out in some games this season, I don't recall Hubert missing a single jump shot this season. If his team played with anything near the passion Hubert has for this sport or that school I don't think those blowouts would have occurred. As a player, your team gets blown out, that next game you come out on fire, you hit the floor for loose balls, you fight with all the fight you have in you because being embarrassed is not acceptable. Not only that but you do not forget those blow outs they drive you to not allow that to happen again, if you have pride in your self.
It is not about being blown out in games and it really isn't about how many blow outs we have lost this season, it is about what are you going to do about it, do you roll over or do you get right back up. Hubert saw adversity a lot in his career, he got back up and did not let it beat him, Sean May did as well. This team forgot the lessons the blow out taught them and allowed it to happen again, that is on the players rather than exclusive to Hubert. Hubert has made some calls, said some things I didn't agree with, same as Roy did but Hubert has surprised me in the things he has done that I do agree with as well. I am standing firm behind him until he has had a chance to get his players in there and they get some experience, I am on board for Hubert for at least another 3years.
WoW, you really have little respect for Roy, I mean Hubert is the guy that Roy felt was best able to get this program back on strong footing, not Steve. I have not forgot Steve coaching FSU, it was not good.
Well I could counter with lets compare Coach Rob with Hubert's record.. but.. he didnt have one. As far as Roy.. to me he is the most over rated coach in the history of basketball. Not saying he is bad, just not what most claim when it comes to actual coaching. Talent is important for any coach to win but Roy was very talent dependent. For the most part he got what the team had..20-10 talent was going to be around 20-10.
One of the winningest coaches in basketball history with 3 national titles and he is overrated?
Steve was 64-86 over all as head coach of FSU, he was 25-55 in the ACC. That is your guy?
Promise ya, I take the first time head coach with a record of 0-0 to what Steve's record was at FSU. Players loved him, they loved him here at UNC as well but as a head coach the bed stayed wet.
Scottie Pippen was a very good basketball player, won 6 titles. If you list him in the top 5 best players all time then he is over rated.
Excellent post. You and I have been on this board a long time and you always seem to have well thought out and reasonable takes.
The last time I rooted for Duke was in ‘78 when UK’s Goose Givens lit up Gminski, Spanarkel, etc… for 41 points. Before long, the vampire arrived and I’ve not rooted for them since.
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I grew up and still live in Southern Indiana. Probably 75% IU fans here, 15 % UK then everyone else at that time. I HATED IU because of the " Bob Knight can do no wrong" fanbase.
I rooted for the USSR national team vs IU while in Middle school during 80's Cold War. No regrets!😎
Here's some more numbers to compare Roy and Hubert's first year. I think a good conclusion to draw is that it's a bad comparison upon closer examination.
| Roy | Hubert | ||||||
| SOS | #5 | #27 | |||||
| Conference RPI | #1 | #7 | |||||
| ACC tournament teams | 6 (of 9) | 5 (of 15) projected | |||||
| Notable wins |
| Michigan | |||||
| Average margin of defeat | 5.4 | 18.6 |
No, man, we're GOOD. This team can go places!!! Don't let the fact that we've been curb stomped by every good team we've played fool you. We GOOD!! LMAO
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Why would you bring facts to the board? That goes against the narrative of some.
Got one poster over on IC premium with a history of good team intel who is saying that Garcia and his dad feel that Hubert misled them about his role on the team this season. There is also a post by Sherrell McMillan that kind of dances around the issue by saying multiple things can be true (i.e. there is an illness in the family, the family does feel misled by Hubert.)
There is a different poster who claims to have sources in Kinston, that says Styles feels Hubert misled him about what his role would be this season. That poster does not have the track record of credibility that the previous poster does.
So take it with a grain of salt, and we can address either/both of these rumors in the offseason if Garcia and/or Styles transfer.
There is a different poster who claims to have sources in Kinston, that says Styles feels Hubert misled him about what his role would be this season. That poster does not have the track record of credibility that the previous poster does.
So take it with a grain of salt, and we can address either/both of these rumors in the offseason if Garcia and/or Styles transfer.
put me in the styles needs more minutes column…it’s ridiculous the way hubert handles his lineups.
Yes it is, and rumors are swirling we are going to see several unhappy players transfer once the season ends.
I know I've seen people complain about Hubert's press conferences being full of hyperbole and lies. That he makes statements that are absurd, and other statements that he never follows through with. If you believe the "insiders" on the other site, Hubert made similar statements and promises to players before the season and while recruiting the transfer portal, and his refusal to live up to them is a big problem with certain players and their families.
Hubert slowly but surely running this into the ground. Sadly, I honestly don’t think he realizes it.
it might be a blessing…i know we all support the program, but the first gig at this point in the stage of cbb, it’s a lot to take on.
again, manek looks bent in the 2nd half, no relief…styles and dunn not playing, even play four guards, idgaf, just weird.
Rumors can be on the mark or completely off base. I don’t like to speculate about specific players transferring beforehand. I still believe Kessler would have been here if not for Roy’s blinders when it came to Brooks, but it’s water under the proverbial bridge.
Nonspecifically, I do believe the Stargate portal will play a major role in the off-season. Unfortunately, that’s college sports in 2022. Little to no school loyalty, show me the money. It’s eroded most of the enjoyment I used to get from being a fan.
Nonspecifically, I do believe the Stargate portal will play a major role in the off-season. Unfortunately, that’s college sports in 2022. Little to no school loyalty, show me the money. It’s eroded most of the enjoyment I used to get from being a fan.
The only reason Roy played Brooks so much is because Brooks was a social justice warrior.
I like most of your poasts and we often see things the same way. But you will alienate me and many others if you continue with this nonsensical Roy bashing. I mean, this one isn't so bad and I get what you're driving at even though I think you're wrong. Roy played Brooks because he fit next to Armando/Sharpe better than Kessler did. And Kessler's defensive positioning was terrible last year and because Brooks had been in the program a while, he did things the way Roy liked. That's why Roy played Brooks over Kessler - better fit and Brooks played the way Roy wanted. That's it. I can almost guarantee it had little or nothing to do with Brooks being a SJW.
But that comment about Roy being overrated is not only ridiculously stupid but seemed like something you said in an effort just to troll. No one believes that. Literally no one. And certainly no Carolina fan believes that. You mentioned Roy having to have talent, well, duh. Every coach needs talent. But if you dig further into things, you'll see Roy has done a lot of winning with second tier talent. How many of Roy's guys went on to be NBA stars? Zero. Roy was maximizing second tier talent and beating teams with future NBA all-star level talent with second tier talent.
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You're making some of the most ridiculous comments I've seen in a while.
If there was ranking of the top 200 ncaa basketball coaches of all time, most would put Roy in the top 5. Based on his coaching decisions I would have him in the 12th to 15th range. People read my post and take it as me saying Roy was a terrible coach.. I just dont think he was as good as most think when it comes to in game coaching.
You mentioned guys not becoming NBA stars.. that could be on player development while in college. Several players came to UNC highly ranked and just didnt seem to improve over their career.
Sharpe should have been getting Brooks minutes in my opinion. If I recall Sharpe averaged about the same points per game as Brooks in 10 less minutes.
Roy has really been a system coach and team coach vs. Individual. One can argue that the success he's had WITHOUT NBA stars shows he's actually a better coach.
His in game adjustments and stubbornness probably left some wins on the table, but you can argue his stubbornness led to success and numbers too. He's in a rare group of coaches that have won 3 national titles, so that makes him elite in and of itself. Yes, he should have more, but that only says how good of a coach he is to have teams competing.
K is the most accomplished coach and he's choked in the tournament with far superior talent.
K, Wooden, Dean, Knight, and Rupp. I’ll allow those. Please name the others you think would even be in the discussion and I will happily lay out why they are not.
And while some of the recruits Roy has brought in were “highly ranked”, none were seen as generational talents or sure fire NBA guys. Maybe BWright? He left after one year. How much development can there be? Maybe Barnes? He’s been an above average player for a decade and a starter on a world championship team. Who else? Felton? He was borderline All-Star level at his peak and played over 15 years in the NBA. Not all recruiting classes are created equal. And Roy never signed the uber elite. It just didn’t fit his system.
I maintain that Roy did more with less.
In regards to last year, was Sharpe going to chase stretch 4s around while on the court with Bacot? Brooks was more suited for that.
It's pretty challenging on who are the top 5 coaches. I guess it really depends on what your metric is for top coach. Wins? Championships? Coaching tree? Influence on the sport?
I don't hear many say Roy is a top 5 coach - in fact, I don't think I've seen anyone say that. He's widely respected and an all time great, but I think most have him in the top 10-20.
Roy is Top 4-5 in wins, Final Fours, Titles and winning %. His results are there. We aren’t talking about a sport that is 300 years old either. Most of the success in college basketball as we know it has been seen in the last 60-70 years. Most before that the game was in its infancy.
He will be remembered as one of the best as time fades. He did leave wins on the table, but all
If the greats have.
I would say his biggest weakness comes down to a tie of in game adjustments and stubbornness (borderline arrogance). He never took criticism well, but many don’t.
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You must be listening to the wrong people, because he's mentioned pretty consistently in the top 10.
He might not be top 5, but he sure as Heel is top 10.
Roy has more wins and championships than Dean.
Roy has more wins than Wooden.
Roy has more Final Fours and wins than Knight.
Roy has more Final Fours and wins than Rupp.
I think it’s pretty clear that Roy is EASILY a top 7-8 coach of all time and an argument could be made for top 4. To attempt to rank Roy outside the top 10 is flat out ridiculous. Absurdity.
Roy has more wins than Wooden.
Roy has more Final Fours and wins than Knight.
Roy has more Final Fours and wins than Rupp.
I think it’s pretty clear that Roy is EASILY a top 7-8 coach of all time and an argument could be made for top 4. To attempt to rank Roy outside the top 10 is flat out ridiculous. Absurdity.
This exactly. Roy is a great coach all time, no doubt about it. But would someone rank him above, say, Henry Iba, who has fewer wins but arguably a greater impact on the sport?
It's subjective and a fun 'over beer' discussion.
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