It is obvious, and you haven't pointed that out. I'm not sure why you think no one is aware of his criminal record.
Is Mr. Floyd's Death Being Used To Change All Of Society?
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You're rambling on. Stay focused now.
You said you won't let him become a beacon of light (idol) in the black community. I quoted this.
You then said you can't force someone to be an idol.
I'm genuinely curious as to which part of your double speak is the accurate piece.
I haven't immortalized anyone. Your anger and triggered-ness is taking a terrible toll on you.
Cool - look forward to seeing you on the news down at the protests doing your best to remind people of this, let me know how that works out for you.
I think you've created something that isn't there.
George Floyd is immortalized no matter what I say or do. All I've done is help you eagerly demonstrate that it's more important to focus on Floyd's criminal past than the police's inhumane treatment of him when he was arrested. That's all you're doing.
Relax over there - you're a little fired up, you just quoted me 3 minutes ago and gotta actually work at least a little bit every now and then.
Have at it man - I'd love to hear your stories if you go down there and try to talk about George Floyd being a criminal.
In all seriousness, most people protesting things in general are incredibly uninformed so you'd be banging your head against the wall. I lived on Wall St during Occupy Wall Street and tried to talk to a few of them about their goals for the sit in at the park. No one gave me anything close to a coherent answer.
I already did. If you can’t figure it out, that’s a you problem, not a me problem.
It's been a while since we've had a @Terror Beard vs @strummingram argument. I always enjoy those.
Every person I've heard speak about this killing said it was a disgrace, everyone! Literally nobody is denying that. But it's not wrong to point out that this guy who's being martyrized is anything but a good guy. It's not wrong to point out that he's a career criminal who had meth, cocaine, and fentanyl in his system.Those facts are just as true as the fact that he was wrongfully killed. So let's paint an accurate picture here.
It's also a fact that twice as many unarmed white citizens than black citizens were killed by LEO's in 2019, according to the Washington Post. So let's not make this a racial issue when it's a issue of excessive force by a LEO. Floyd was killed because Chauvin was a power hungry POS, not due to his race.
Again, less than 1% of the black citizens killed yearly are killed by cops. When a killing is unjustified, punish the cops involved to the fullest. As I said, make all cops wear cameras at all times for complete transparency. But let's not blow every incident totally out of proportion and act like it's an everyday occurrence instead of an isolated event.
And let's not let anarchist groups like Antifa and BLM hold our country hostage to their divisive agendas.
Floyd just happens to be the person, or the flashpoint this time. It's sort of transcended HIM, if you will.
I'm trying to think of others to compare him to. John Brown, who raided Harper's Ferry, is an example. He was a failure at nearly everything he did. He formed a band of people to raid the armory in Harper's Ferry to incite a slave rebellion. It failed, too. He was convicted and hanged for treason. But, it was the spark that led to the Civil War. Brown, himself, is kind of a footnote.
I don't see Black Lives Matter as a anarchist group. This "Antifa" organization is too shady for my liking. I don't trust it.
Blowing it out of proportion is subjective. And, apparently, it was needed because it's happening.
as far as i know, no one has ever floated the idea of naming a national holiday after John Brown or called him "the most important public figure" of his generation.
Maybe it was “a” spark, but it certainly wasn’t the spark. I’d have it down much further on my list of sparks that led to the Civil War.
Brown was just some dude who had an idea and did it without thinking at all on how to execute it properly.
...much like Trump, it was needed because it’s happening.
Absolutely! That's affirmative! He, and whatever he has brought into American politics and culture, was needed! It was practically begged-for!
Sorry I missed this earlier. Thanks for sharing that you have all of these people you're related to that are black. Have them join in the discussion here and share their perspectives and attitudes so we can better understand.
Your contributions here don't convince me that you are far more informed or that you have any more expertise than anyone else.
Acting morally outraged at the deaths of a minuscule number of black Americans killed by LEO’s, while acting completely unconcerned about the killing of hundreds more every year, just because those hundreds weren’t killed by LEO’s, is the epitome of hypocrisy. It is selective outrage. BLM should change their name to CBLM, Certain Black Lives Matter.
The bigger issue is why black Americans are killing themselves in record numbers. Is it socioeconomic? Is it cultural? Is it a bit of both? Most likely. But that issue is taboo, too hot to openly discuss. And that’s a shame because addressing that issue would do much more to reduce black homicides than dwelling on the 1% caused by LEO’s, not to say they shouldn’t be addressed as well.
All Lives Matter! If you think it’s racist to say that, then you are the racist. That should be the least offensive thing you could say, something all of us should agree on.
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i think it's actually a very complex issue that is being addressed using a hammer. It's not like ALL black people have identical, universal experiences and attitudes about American society. I know I have heard black celebrities like Denzel Washington and Morgan Freeman state that the system is rigged, but it's not rigged like many people assume, or think. From what I could tell, they will say that American society offers all people a chance. Your level of commitment is a lot more important than your ethnicity. Also, your upbringing- having both parents as positive influences- helps, and matters, as do genetics!
I think America's police/law enforcement institutions have come to look, act, and conduct themselves more like military, or para-military organizations. I don't think that's something we want or need, as a society.
You might run into problems with "All Lives Matter" for more reasons than just race. "All" is pretty vague. I would be inclined to agree with you that saying "All Lives Matters" is not racist aat all. I believe that they all should. But, it doesn't take very long before there are unique circumstances that force us to rethink that. And, it seems like we have still not recognized all of us as equals, so the All Lives Matter label isn't genuine, maybe. I dunno.
Are you over your fear of blacks already? Are you the right white guy to tell us other white guys how to better understand blacks? You'll forgive us then if we don't take your contributions seriously either. Unless of course George Carlin can help you get your message across.
Why do you feel the need at this point to point that out, who is fighting you on this?
If you show up at a hospital for an emergency heart transplant does the doctor go "well this isn't about your heart, all hearts matter."
Like, when you see someone raising money for breast cancer do you yell "ALL CANCER MATTERS!"
And that's exactly how black society has said they see racism, as a cancer.
This isn't about you Arch. This isn't about any of us. Thinking that Black Lives Matter means that white lives don't is the incorrect way to view this. I haven't heard one black leader in the past few weeks say that any other life doesn't matter. They are simply saying that they want issues in society toward the black community corrected, not at the expense of the white, hispanic, asian, etc. community.
But I'm sure if a "Old Southern White Guys Matter" campaign started you'd be on the front line. So why can't they defend their own race against injustices?
"Blowing it out of proportion is subjective. And, apparently, it was needed because it's happening"
the mindlessness in this paragraph is mind-boggling. I guess Floyd's killing also was needed because it happened. What an idiot.
But why don't you believe that? I'm genuinely curious.
I find it hard to believe that black people are just making this up. That my friend is making up the 3 times cops have asked him what he's "doing in this neighborhood" or "where ya headed son" when he's literally been filling his tank up or in the gas station store. He says you'll never know the feeling of being looked up and down when you enter a store. They did none of this to the dozens of white people in the store.
I don't know man, why are they wasting their time protesting something that they don't think exists? There are really smart, really rational black people who have numerous first-hand experiences to where they weren't treated equally.
Why do you think they are making it up?
Well, see... that's another falsehood. Why are you projecting?
I have shared that experience. But, it doesn't make me any more, or less, qualified to comment on the situation. I have had several black girlfriends. I only lived with one. And, since we're offering our "black credentials" in detail, her family (especially her father) were hardcore republicans! She was about as liberal as they come. But, her mom and dad were very conservative. They lived in a pretty affluent neighborhood near Stone Mountain, where she grew up.
I don't spend 75% of the year in third world countries, helping the 99.99% black people there.
So... big fukking deal.
We just disagree and I just don't get how a middle aged southern white guy can assume so many things about how black people actually feel. You're making some huge assumptions on something you have no first-hand knowledge about and basically calling people liars/frauds. And I'd argue your black friends having no experience of being treated differently is the isolated event.
P. S. White people in the 60s said the same thing. Man, these blacks are don't have it bad, the ones in the 30s had it bad. While I agree with you that racism has gotten better generation to generation, does that mean it's still not a "legit claim"? I go back to the point that it's really hard to believe that all these people, some of which are really rational and intelligent are just "conditioned" and it's not actually happening to them.
No, as I mentioned, I think those who haven't experienced any type of prejudice are the isolated incidents. Most rational black people would consider them fortunate and probably want to buy real estate to where they live and where they travel.
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Hard to feel that Trump is trying to unite the country he's supposed to be leading.
And in reality:
Hard to feel that Trump is trying to unite the country he's supposed to be leading.
