OOTB Carolina basketball discussion thread

[BillyL]

I post on pretty much every UNC Rivals board, more on THR because of the activity there, contest, etc. I loved that y'all started this thread (@Grayhead needed a place of refuge) and I understand why you did it (I'm probably part of the reason) but if you step back and take a look at it, you now sound like a bunch of 10th grade girls talking about the dorks down the hall, giggling and rolling your eyes.

What started out as a very good basketball discussion has turned into a super secret gossip club. Based on what you've said, it appears THIS thread should be on THR

I know I know: "GFY" "GMAFB" "LOL" ...just had to say it.

As opposed to the 8th grade girly and highly exclusive 'KEEP OUT . . . Roy does no wrong and he's my Hero' club thread . . ?

Nobody here on OOTB has started a 'KEY-POUT' thread on this board.

Having noticed that Grayhead has posted on THR pretty frequently, I seriously doubt he ever felt the need to run and hide.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

I do wish we kept the Parody thread alive. That way we could keep this thread to purely basketball discussion, where I can dare to say that we might, just might, not have the 10 best players in the country, and that our coach may, at least very occasionally, make a mistake or two - without being made to feel like I'm a closet dook fan.

Then we could have used the Parody thread for all of our Mean Girls gossip sessions, and haven for reconnaissance missions (which is equally important, don't get me wrong).

 

[tarheel0910]

As opposed to the 8th grade girly and highly exclusive 'KEEP OUT . . . Roy does no wrong and he's my Hero' club thread . . ?

Nobody here on OOTB has started a 'KEY-POUT' thread on this board.

Having noticed that Grayhead has posted on THR pretty frequently, I seriously doubt he ever felt the need to run and hide.

 

[tarheel0910]

I do wish we kept the Parody thread alive. That way we could keep this thread to purely basketball discussion, where I can dare to say that we might, just might, not have the 10 best players in the country, and that our coach may, at least very occasionally, make a mistake or two - without being made to feel like I'm a closet dook fan.

Then we could have used the Parody thread for all of our Mean Girls gossip sessions, and haven for reconnaissance missions (which is equally important, don't get me wrong).

You're trying to make my life way too difficult. It's easier for me to follow one thread. I don't have the time to follow two.

 

[bleeduncblue]

As opposed to the 8th grade girly and highly exclusive 'KEEP OUT . . . Roy does no wrong and he's my Hero' club thread . . ?

Nobody here on OOTB has started a 'KEY-POUT' thread on this board.

Having noticed that Grayhead has posted on THR pretty frequently, I seriously doubt he ever felt the need to run and hide.

Hey, at least those threads started and STAYED that way ... instead of the transformation of this thread. Stick to your roots, that's all I was saying.

And we were right about Roy, by the way. Again.

 

[UNC '92]

Hey, at least those threads started and STAYED that way ... instead of the transformation of this thread. Stick to your roots, that's all I was saying.

And we were right about Roy, by the way. Again.

What about Roy were you right about?

 

[bleeduncblue]

And to make sure we're on the same page, I started the thread titled "For those of us who are not quitting" .... and I would start it again tomorrow and the next day and the day after.

Seeing a bunch of grown men lose their marbles and claim to quit on the season/team/coach over ONE SINGLE LOSS was too much for me to handle, I'll admit

 

[bleeduncblue]

What about Roy were you right about?

Haha, okay I'll bite: he wasn't garbage, he didn't need to quit on the spot, we didn't need to find his replacement before sun-up, he did recruit and develop a pretty good team after all. (but yes, he was terrible in that dook game)

Those of us defending him after that game WERE RIGHT.

 

[tarheel0910]

Haha, okay I'll bite: he wasn't garbage, he didn't need to quit on the spot, we didn't need to find his replacement before sun-up, he did recruit and develop a pretty good team after all. (but yes, he was terrible in that dook game)

Those of us defending him after that game WERE RIGHT.

There is one thing you can't defend about Roy... those jackets. Man needs to get a mirror.

 

[UNC '92]

Haha, okay I'll bite: he wasn't garbage, he didn't need to quit on the spot, we didn't need to find his replacement before sun-up, he did recruit and develop a pretty good team after all. (but yes, he was terrible in that dook game)

Those of us defending him after that game WERE RIGHT.

Haha, who in this thread said that? I don't want to go back over 32 pages but I don't remember it being said here. I don't think any of the regulars that post over here are or have called for Roy to quit. I do remember some here pointing out the mistakes he has made with lineups and other things. I have no problem with that. It's what fans do when they discuss the games or vent. I, for one, wouldn't trade ole Roy for nothing. Even with all his flaws.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Haha, who in this thread said that? I don't want to go back over 32 pages but I don't remember it being said here. I don't think any of the regulars that post over here are or have called for Roy to quit. I do remember some here pointing out the mistakes he has made with lineups and other things. I have no problem with that. It's what fans do when they discuss the games or vent. I, for one, wouldn't trade ole Roy for nothing. Even with all his flaws.

Geez dude, focus ... I never said anything about Roy being discussed in THIS thread. Those threads were on THR. The "not quitting" thread (on THR) was in reference to all the "i'm quitting" and "Roy needs to go" and "I hate this team" threads (again, on THR). Make sense?

Roy has and will continue to MAKE MISTAKES ... this just in: he's HUMAN. But that dook collapse caused A LOT of regular and non-regular posters to lose their minds and scream for him to check out.

 

[UNC '92]

Geez dude, focus ... I never said anything about Roy being discussed in THIS thread. Those threads were on THR. The "not quitting" thread (on THR) was in reference to all the "i'm quitting" and "Roy needs to go" and "I hate this team" threads (again, on THR). Make sense?

So wtf bring it up over here? go to that thread and tell everyone in it how right you are. You trying to pick a fight here or something?

 

[bleeduncblue]

Roy has and will continue to MAKE MISTAKES ... this ju

So wtf bring it up over here? go to that thread and tell everyone in it how right you are. You trying to pick a fight here or something?

If you're not willing to back-read threads to determine intent, then I'm not going to discuss it anymore. GO HEELS

 

[UNC '92]

Roy has and will continue to MAKE MISTAKES ... this ju

If you're not willing to back-read threads to determine intent, then I'm not going to discuss it anymore. GO HEELS

Geez dude, focus ... I never said anything about Roy being discussed in THIS thread. Those threads were on THR. The "not quitting" thread (on THR) was in reference to all the "i'm quitting" and "Roy needs to go" and "I hate this team" threads (again, on THR). Make sense?

Roy has and will continue to MAKE MISTAKES ... this just in: he's HUMAN. But that dook collapse caused A LOT of regular and non-regular posters to lose their minds and scream for him to check out.

If you agreed it's not in this thread then there is no reason to worry about it right? Talk about me focusing? You probably need to go rub one out more than you think. Maybe it will help you relax and focus better.

 

[tarheel0910]

If you agreed it's not in this thread then there is no reason to worry about it right? Talk about me focusing? You probably need to go rub one out more than you think. Maybe it will help you relax and focus better.

Don't run off @bleeduncblue. We need a radar person on this thread to keep things interesting.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

FWIW I fully agreed with blue's sentiment in that particular thread. It was ridiculous to see people actually saying Roy should hang it up, that the game had passed him by, or that they were done with the team just because of one frustrating loss. Enjoy the ups and downs of the season, enjoy the fact that this team has a great chance of doing big things (and has now tallied a couple pretty good things), and don't verbally tar and feather the college kids who make up the team after a loss.

But this thread's been fun too, and its premise is also valid; that there's some ridiculousness that goes on over there in terms of piling on people who don't toe the line.

 

[UNC '92]

Don't run off @bleeduncblue. We need a radar person on this thread to keep things interesting.

True. Their regulars provide me with some good laughs. And I'm not wanting bleed to run away. I have no problem with him.

 

[Hark_The_Sound_2010]

Anyone who said Roy should quit or be fired at any point this season, is clearly wrong. I'm fairly certain I never said either of those -but if anyone did I'm sure they'll admit they were wrong on that now.

Bleed, you may very well have been right in what you said about Roy, I'm not sure what you did/didnt say about him, so I can't really speak to that. I remember after the dook loss I had 3 points of emphasis for Roy - things I thought were costing the team games and could be relatively easily remedied. 1) was to cut down the rotation, or at least give significantly less minutes to the Joel James and Luke Maye's of the team 2) was when subbing in the bench guys, to do it sporadically, and maybe sub 2 out at a time - not to do a full blown 5 man "platoon" which opens us up to stretches of devastating performance and 3) use a damn TO every once in awhile.

There were several posters over on THR that were saying that what I and others said regarding Roy's strategies and decisions was garbage. But lo and behold, it seems like Roy has now started doing all of the 3 I mentioned above (but unlike many THR posters who think there's a direct telepathic link between us posters and the coach/team, I'll simply chalk it up as coincidence that Roy adopted the 3 things I mentioned). So - I was 100% right in what I was saying about Roy, and even Roy made adjustments saying the same. Then after he makes the adjustments, the sunshiners over there rip on posts such as mine and say it was ludicrous to question Roy... when Roy essentially admitted those were faults!!!!!

 

[UNC '92]

FWIW I fully agreed with blue's sentiment in that particular thread. It was ridiculous to see people actually saying Roy should hang it up, that the game had passed him by, or that they were done with the team just because of one frustrating loss. Enjoy the ups and downs of the season, enjoy the fact that this team has a great chance of doing big things (and has now tallied a couple pretty good things), and don't verbally tar and feather the college kids who make up the team after a loss.

But this thread's been fun too, and its premise is also valid; that there's some ridiculousness that goes on over there in terms of piling on people who don't toe the line.

It's why I just don't post in game threads and immediately after losses. Just not the time for me and I'd likely show my ass. However I'd never agree that Roy is past his prime. Not yet anyway, he's still got a few good years left.

 

[tarheel0910]

but not sure if anyone "reputable" said that

We have reputable people on this board?

 

[bleeduncblue]

True. Their regulars provide me with some good laughs. And I'm not wanting bleed to run away. I have no problem with him.

No problem with you either! I just wanted to clarify things but I think I made it worse. My original point was that THIS thread started out as a good refuge from the craziness on THR but has turned into finger-pointing and whining, just like THR. That's all I meant. Constructive criticism, of sorts. GO HEELS

 

[gteeitup]

And to make sure we're on the same page, I started the thread titled "For those of us who are not quitting" .... and I would start it again tomorrow and the next day and the day after.

Seeing a bunch of grown men lose their marbles and claim to quit on the season/team/coach over ONE SINGLE LOSS was too much for me to handle, I'll admit

similar to "grown men" unable to decipher criticism from attack?...or frustration from abandonment?...what about ranking fandom?...you wanna talk about childish bs, tell someone they aren't a good enough fan.

you keep on keepin' on, though.

and just so you know, i still think roy is overmatched at times during games even with superior talent...i still think roy's health is failing him and that is more important than any game...and i will still challenge his rotations, his timeout use, and his philosophy...and if you're such a large fan, you'll hear him criticize himself for the same things after games.

 

[bleeduncblue]

Anyone who said Roy should quit or be fired at any point this season, is clearly wrong. I'm fairly certain I never said either of those -but if anyone did I'm sure they'll admit they were wrong on that now.

Bleed, you may very well have been right in what you said about Roy, I'm not sure what you did/didnt say about him, so I can't really speak to that. I remember after the dook loss I had 3 points of emphasis for Roy - things I thought were costing the team games and could be relatively easily remedied. 1) was to cut down the rotation, or at least give significantly less minutes to the Joel James and Luke Maye's of the team 2) was when subbing in the bench guys, to do it sporadically, and maybe sub 2 out at a time - not to do a full blown 5 man "platoon" which opens us up to stretches of devastating performance and 3) use a damn TO every once in awhile.

There were several posters over on THR that were saying that what I and others said regarding Roy's strategies and decisions was garbage. But lo and behold, it seems like Roy has now started doing all of the 3 I mentioned above (but unlike many THR posters who think there's a direct telepathic link between us posters and the coach/team, I'll simply chalk it up as coincidence that Roy adopted the 3 things I mentioned). So - I was 100% right in what I was saying about Roy, and even Roy made adjustments saying the same. Then after he makes the adjustments, the sunshiners over there rip on posts such as mine and say it was ludicrous to question Roy... when Roy essentially admitted those were faults!!!!!

I will never have a problem with basic criticism of a coach/player, we have that right. What pushed me over the edge was the fans who "gave up" and wanted him fired --- again over ONE SINGLE GAME.

Your coaching points were and are still valid. We can certainly agree that Roy (typically) improves as we near the post season - his teams are often peaking as we enter the last 2 weeks of the regular season (hence the reason he reaches Sunday of the ACCT so often and rarely loses early in the NCAAT). So I'm willing to be patient with him as he tries things out in December/January/February ... even if it means we lose a couple head scratchers, which we always do.

 

[bleeduncblue]

similar to "grown men" unable to decipher criticism from attack?...or frustration from abandonment?...what about ranking fandom?...you wanna talk about childish bs, tell someone they aren't a good enough fan.

you keep on keepin' on, though.

and just so you know, i still think roy is overmatched at times during games even with superior talent...i still think roy's health is failing him and that is more important than any game...and i will still challenge his rotations, his timeout use, and his philosophy...and if you're such a large fan, you'll hear him criticize himself for the same things after games.

Fair enough ... so here you go, these are statements that I believe:
1) sometimes Roy sucks, so did Dean ... and Kay owns Roy ... Kay is a better coach than Roy when they're head-to-head.
2) find my post where I told someone they aren't a "good enough fan" .. would never say that.
3) you may defend "I quit" .."this team is done" .. "Roy needs to retire" - but I won't defend it. Those are the things I had a problem with, nothing else.
4) yes Roy's health is a problem and he may not return in 2016-17, for a variety of reasons. I've had private conversations with different posters in more detail on this stuff that I'm not going to share here.
5) I talked with Roy 2 weeks ago and he said TO MY FACE "yeah I probably should have called a timeout with 40 seconds left..." (my first thought was "no, you should have called timeout with 2 minutes left)

Carry on bro. GO HEELS

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

Gotta repost this tidbit from John Tobben:

Final Four: North Carolina beats Michigan State
He cannot beat them at his home. He cannot beat them in a dome. He cannot beat them when they dip. He cannot beat them on a ship. Izzo cannot beat them worth a damn. He cannot beat Carolina, Sam I Am.

 

[tarheel0910]

Ok, I think I'm going to give up over there. I'm getting tired and you guys suck at support.

 

[gunslingerdick]

I haven't really been in on the dogging of regulars over there or the threads they post. I have enjoyed this thread simply because it makes for easier reading and posting. I used to post at Radar quite a bit and I'd be in many different threads. I like the idea of having one thread and everybody touching on different basketball related topics in that one thread. And I've enjoyed the hilarity that derailed this this thread too. Honestly, I haven't even bothered to stop in and read at Radar in the past 2 weeks. So all these jokes about what's going on over there are missing the mark with me.

Anyway, I guess I'm just saying that I'm perfectly happy with the way things are.

 

[Raising Heel]

I haven't really been in on the dogging of regulars over there or the threads they post. I have enjoyed this thread simply because it makes for easier reading and posting. I used to post at Radar quite a bit and I'd be in many different threads. I like the idea of having one thread and everybody touching on different basketball related topics in that one thread. And I've enjoyed the hilarity that derailed this this thread too. Honestly, I haven't even bothered to stop in and read at Radar in the past 2 weeks. So all these jokes about what's going on over there are missing the mark with me.

Anyway, I guess I'm just saying that I'm perfectly happy with the way things are.

Same

 

[Grayhead]

Well now that someone from radar has made their way over here to tell everyone how wrong they are to have a thread like this, then we will feel quit at home.

Bleed, I have always respected what you post for all the years I have know you, (in an internet way). You have more on-site and connections to the program than most, and I respect that.
Bit when I started that thread that night, it was after what I viewed a terrible and almost unforgivable letdown. You have never saw me post anything of the sort before that game. Yes, I am very dissatisfied with how that game turned out and how it was coached. Did I get over it, yes. Winning some key games will cure many things. Noatter how far they go this season, the sting of that game at that time will never go away. They corrected alot in the game at dook. If you will note, everything I went off on that night has been things the team needed to correct and they have done most of them. I still think roy is on the back side of his career . And I also know that there are many variables he has had to overcome in recruiting. I would not trade him for anyone who could have safely navigated us thru this mess.
He is stubborn as the day is long. And unfortunately it took a game like that to get him back in line. The past several years have been harder to enjoy mainly because I know the trouble the program has faced has been a difficult one to overcome.
So pardon me if I lost it for the first time ever on a message board. I will not apologize because I don't feel I did anything wrong. But you get a pass for creating a thread that excluded anyone who didn't fit the bill for what you felt was a fan. Also, noone is willing to call out those who insist on baiting people who are willing to be vocal about the program in what you guys feel is a negative way. I've tried to post over there several times since only to have some imply I am being pessimistic. I have found it impossible to voice a differing idea or opinion over there because several are ready to pounce on someone who does. You find it troublesome that a thread would exist like this one. There has been some comic relief strewn about here, but also many truths as well.
If you would like to know, the team has restored my confidence in them. Called being a fan. Sorry that doesn't fit your definition as to what a fan should be.

 

[UNC71-00]

Well now that someone from radar has made their way over here to tell everyone how wrong they are to have a thread like this, then we will feel quit at home.

Bleed, I have always respected what you post for all the years I have know you, (in an internet way). You have more on-site and connections to the program than most, and I respect that.
Bit when I started that thread that night, it was after what I viewed a terrible and almost unforgivable letdown. You have never saw me post anything of the sort before that game. Yes, I am very dissatisfied with how that game turned out and how it was coached. Did I get over it, yes. Winning some key games will cure many things. Noatter how far they go this season, the sting of that game at that time will never go away. They corrected alot in the game at dook. If you will note, everything I went off on that night has been things the team needed to correct and they have done most of them. I still think roy is on the back side of his career . And I also know that there are many variables he has had to overcome in recruiting. I would not trade him for anyone who could have safely navigated us thru this mess.
He is stubborn as the day is long. And unfortunately it took a game like that to get him back in line. The past several years have been harder to enjoy mainly because I know the trouble the program has faced has been a difficult one to overcome.
So pardon me if I lost it for the first time ever on a message board. I will not apologize because I don't feel I did anything wrong. But you get a pass for creating a thread that excluded anyone who didn't fit the bill for what you felt was a fan. Also, noone is willing to call out those who insist on baiting people who are willing to be vocal about the program in what you guys feel is a negative way. I've tried to post over there several times since only to have some imply I am being pessimistic. I have found it impossible to voice a differing idea or opinion over there because several are ready to pounce on someone who does. You find it troublesome that a thread would exist like this one. There has been some comic relief strewn about here, but also many truths as well.
If you would like to know, the team has restored my confidence in them. Called being a fan. Sorry that doesn't fit your definition as to what a fan should be.

Dont stress it Gray. Everyone here has the measure of Radar. And Bleed is good people- no reason to argue with him.

 

[UNC71-00]

Ok, I think I'm going to give up over there. I'm getting tired and you guys suck at support.

Dude, you have been going at them like the Yosemite Sam on a coke binge. Once someone asks you to define gravity, the battle is won.

 

[Grayhead]

Im not.stressing. but when I get named specifically, I do have to say something. I have the utmost respect for.bleed. Envy his connection to the program. I just don't understand all the judgement for someone having a rant. I mean, read the game threads. It's all said there as well

 

[bleeduncblue]

Im not.stressing. but when I get named specifically, I do have to say something. I have the utmost respect for.bleed. Envy his connection to the program. I just don't understand all the judgement for someone having a rant. I mean, read the game threads. It's all said there as well

Seriously? You don't get why some of us got upset? I don't believe that you were surprised by some of the reactions to the separate thread you started.

And by the way, my 65 year old father sent me multiple texts after that game ... same stuff: "I quit" "team is a disgrace to the program" "Roy needs to retire" etc etc etc. And I told him the same thing that I said on THR: bigger perspective here PLEASE ... it's one game ... one game.

Anyhow, I'm not going to talk about it anymore - I "internet like" 99% of the folks who post on the NC Rivals boards and am not looking for arguments or to piss folks off. Peace, brother and GO HEELS !!!

 

[Grayhead]

Bleed, there are no issues between you and I. I guess posting 30 seconds after a horrible game is not a good idea. My expectations this season has been much higher than the product we have witnessed. Marcus, Meeks, and Jackson's struggles and line up changes had frustrated me like no other season. After that game, I fully believed that any will from this team was lost. Thankfully, the decline of the team ended with that game. I guess that is why I went off like I did. And you witnessed it from your own flesh and blood. I can relate. To be honest, the dook games usually are a bigger highlite for me than any other game or tourney. Winning the acc or the national tourney is wonderful. But handing it to your rival is something I can relish and flont till the next season. Had that game have happened to any other team besides them, then I would not react that way. And trust me on this, I am glad they have righted the ship. If they had tanked the rest of the season, I would have never went to gloat that i was right.
So all is good. Maybe you can add some hilarity to the fray that this thread has been. And keep giving updates. You speaking with roy personally about things like that is awesome. I am extremely jealous

 

[gteeitup]

imo, the reaction post-duke is a microcosm of the frustrations from fans since the nit trip a few years ago.

it's not all about one game, not from me anyway...and if that makes me less of a fan, kiss my ass.

 

[JuleZ '02 HEEL]

Random NCAA opinion. I think it's a travesty for teams that earn an NCAA Tournament berth by winning their conference championships to have to play in the play-in games.

If you get an automatic bid you should get to play in an actual first-round game. Let the last eight at-large bids earn their way to the first round with a play-in game. (If you're going to insist on having them at all.)

 

[tarheel0910]

Random NCAA opinion. I think it's a travesty for teams that earn an NCAA Tournament berth by winning their conference championships to have to play in the play-in games.

If you get an automatic bid you should get to play in an actual first-round game. Let the last eight at-large bids earn their way to the first round with a play-in game. (If you're going to insist on having them at all.)

I understand your point, but there have been teams in the past that won the automatic bid that had a loosing record or close too it. I don't think they should be able to skip the play in games if they are not better than some of the other teams. Maybe you could do that, but have some kind of minimum win percentage that you must meet.

 

[UNC71-00]

Agree with Jules on play ins.

Bilas had a great idea on how to handle who gets in and seeding.

Prior to conference tourneys, the committee ranks the top 68 teams. Each time an AQ gets in that is not in the top 68, the lowest team on the list gets bumped.

Rerank when conference tourneys finished, then to seed, snake it. 1st overall and 8th overall in same bracket, 2nd and 7th, so on and so forth.

 

[gteeitup]

Agree with Jules on play ins.

Bilas had a great idea on how to handle who gets in and seeding.

Prior to conference tourneys, the committee ranks the top 68 teams. Each time an AQ gets in that is not in the top 68, the lowest team on the list gets bumped.

Rerank when conference tourneys finished, then to seed, snake it. 1st overall and 8th overall in same bracket, 2nd and 7th, so on and so forth.

another reason to like bilas...he just gets it

 

[tarheel0910]

kiss my ass.