OOTB Carolina basketball discussion thread
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It's a crazy, crazy world we've been living in the past few years.
One of our heroes, supporters, and protectors is Jay Bilas, Duke graduate and basketball player. Meanwhile, we've been damaged ad nauseam by two UNC employees (Willingham and Smith), multiple former UNC athletes, AND we still retain Art fugging Chansky -- who hasn't even tried to hide his willingness to sacrifice football if it means basketball is protected -- on our fugging football pre-game show. What a time to be alive.
One of our heroes, supporters, and protectors is Jay Bilas, Duke graduate and basketball player. Meanwhile, we've been damaged ad nauseam by two UNC employees (Willingham and Smith), multiple former UNC athletes, AND we still retain Art fugging Chansky -- who hasn't even tried to hide his willingness to sacrifice football if it means basketball is protected -- on our fugging football pre-game show. What a time to be alive.
^^^ plus 1 million
As I've said many times, I don't even care what the fallout is from the NCAA. I just want to get back to normalcy. All I want to do is watch some sports without talking this crap into the ground.
As I've said many times, I don't even care what the fallout is from the NCAA. I just want to get back to normalcy. All I want to do is watch some sports without talking this crap into the ground.
State fans providing some more gold today. They have now decided that the best course of action would be to pull out of the ACC, pay the money that would be owed and join the SEC. This makes sense because the SEC has been trying for years to get state to join. 
State fans providing some more gold today. They have now decided that the best course of action would be to pull out of the ACC, pay the money that would be owed and join the SEC. This makes sense because the SEC has been trying for years to get state to join.
State couldn't get into the Southern Conference, let alone the Southeast Conference.
I just can't fathom having what goes on at another school affect me in such a deranged manner, but then again, we have those that are the same way about Duke and Lance Thomas.
Who is the Duke you speak of? You mean LTCC!!!!!!!!!!!!?????
But agreed, LOL. You know many times a year I think about Duke? About 10. Twice during regular season basketball, maybe once more if they're chasing a reg. season title; during the ACCT and NCAAT as I hope they don't win; once during football season when we play them, and I think about them if they're challenging for the Coastal crown. Then there's a couple miscellaneous times if we have a big matchup against them in one of the Olympic sports, which is usually the case.
Other than that, I don't pay Duke any attention. They have zero bearing on my life, nor do I care if their players are taking remedial classes at NCCU, accepting jewelry gifts, kicking babies, or anything else. Same exact thing applies to Moo except that I think about them whenever they lose in epic fashion, so a lot.
More gold from our friends at state. Apparently once they pull out FSU, GT and Clemson follows. Then the whole conference collapses. These guys are awesome.
"If NC State made that move, then FSU, GT and Clemson would surely follow. Even Swofford couldn’t keep that situation swept under the rug. The ACC cannot afford to lose 3 of the large state supported universities and 3 of the 4 tech/engineering schools. The conference isn’t viable with only the small private schools, UNC, UVA and the former Big East teams."
"If NC State made that move, then FSU, GT and Clemson would surely follow. Even Swofford couldn’t keep that situation swept under the rug. The ACC cannot afford to lose 3 of the large state supported universities and 3 of the 4 tech/engineering schools. The conference isn’t viable with only the small private schools, UNC, UVA and the former Big East teams."
don't they know any footprint the sec would want in nc begins and ends with carolina?
And don't they also know that they bring nothing of value because they aren't good at the two profit sports (see @Hark_The_Sound_2010 I didn't call them revenue sports) and they ARE NOT A HOUSEHOLD NAME! I don't know when they're going to figure this out but my guess is never. Those dumbasses don't realize that people think of them the same way they think of Washington State, Texas Tech, and Purdue -- random ass schools that are Power5, have regional rivalries with much more competitive and better-known programs, and are awful at football and basketball.
I think about them whenever I see some douchebag wearing a shirt or hat or maybe a car with a license plate. It's hilarious how much grief UNC gets for its Wal-Mart fans, because the ratio of Wal-Mart dookies is far, far higher than UNC. Incidentally, this is the one shred of respect I can muster for State fans. They are so absolutely dreadful that they have no bandwagoners. Those poor bastards come by their fandom honestly.
PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
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If the sanctions are light, here's what I'm going to do. When we host UNC in basketball this season, I'm going to arrive at he game, and put signs on my seats that say "We don't watch CHEATERS!" Then I am going to leave before tipoff. NCSU still gets ticket $, no UNC fans in my seats, and who knows maybe some others here will join in and do the same. Could send a message to NCAA that we think they were played by UNC Spin Machine.
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Re: The official NOTHING is going to happen to the tarholes t...
10:48 AM
If the sanctions are light, here's what I'm going to do. When we host UNC in basketball this season, I'm going to arrive at he game, and put signs on my seats that say "We don't watch CHEATERS!" Then I am going to leave before tipoff. NCSU still gets ticket $, no UNC fans in my seats, and who knows maybe some others here will join in and do the same. Could send a message to NCAA that we think they were played by UNC Spin Machine.
The disgust of the State fans is pretty extreme, but not surprising at all. We all know that we have people here and on THR that are extreme-minded. Imagine if we'd only beaten them twice in 13 years. Look at how keyser always refers to dook as LTCC.
This all comes down to sports rivalry. It's ALL about sports rivalry! It's ONLY about sports rivalry. Everyone knows full well that easy courses are offered at every school, and everyone knows that star athletes get an easier ride... EVERYWHERE! Not just in college, but in high school as well. The frequency and blatancy will vary, but it's a known fact. I used Brandon Ingram as an example in the recent past. The kid is a phenomenal basketball player. We all know the difficulty of being accepted into Duke University (correct spelling). Do you imagine Brandon Ingram finds himself in a Duke University classroom without his basketball ability? Of course not.
The NCAA showed they have limitations. They know that they cannot make these easy courses a memory and keep the cash-flow intact. This is why the NCAA is backing-off of this. I wish they'd left the Women's team alone, too. If they (the NCAA and the chain of beneficiaries that follow) want to continue with their minor-league-billion-dollar industry, then they'd better recognize their actual role and stop trying to create this illusion of amateur athletics to the degree that could have occurred if they'd tried to impose penalties on UNC. This has been going on ever since college sports started making big bucks. I'd venture to say that goes back to the 1940's, at least.
This all comes down to sports rivalry. It's ALL about sports rivalry! It's ONLY about sports rivalry. Everyone knows full well that easy courses are offered at every school, and everyone knows that star athletes get an easier ride... EVERYWHERE! Not just in college, but in high school as well. The frequency and blatancy will vary, but it's a known fact. I used Brandon Ingram as an example in the recent past. The kid is a phenomenal basketball player. We all know the difficulty of being accepted into Duke University (correct spelling). Do you imagine Brandon Ingram finds himself in a Duke University classroom without his basketball ability? Of course not.
The NCAA showed they have limitations. They know that they cannot make these easy courses a memory and keep the cash-flow intact. This is why the NCAA is backing-off of this. I wish they'd left the Women's team alone, too. If they (the NCAA and the chain of beneficiaries that follow) want to continue with their minor-league-billion-dollar industry, then they'd better recognize their actual role and stop trying to create this illusion of amateur athletics to the degree that could have occurred if they'd tried to impose penalties on UNC. This has been going on ever since college sports started making big bucks. I'd venture to say that goes back to the 1940's, at least.
By the way, congratulations to the Carolina women's tennis team for winning the ACC Championship this past weekend! The women's tennis program has been clowning ACC opponents for the past five years.
Here's another good one from the gift that keeps on giving (aka Pack Pride).
These jokers think the NCAA will be in a sticky situation if they let UNC off without punishment - whereas they don't realize they would be in a much stickier situation by having to police everyone everywhere if they got involved in the academic side of things. I also really like how he tries to spin it that UNC will somehow be worse off if they don't get a big hit, and how he thinks there would be a loud outcry from everyone, and the NCAA will essentially be afraid of Pack Pride.
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Re: Continuing to support NC State athletics?
Yesterday at 8:39 PMLast edited Yesterday at 8:58 PMby goturbackpack66
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I think it still may be premature to say there won't be harsh punishment for UNC. I surely get it, yesterday we were expecting harsher wording and we saw absence of earlier allegations. The idea of WBB taking the brunt end of punishment is ludicrous. MBB is the biggest thing at UNC, and they cheated like hell, and everyone should know it. I'm willing to wait for the final decision on punishment. Most here think the big revenue sports will skate, and I don't blame them for feeling that way. Been there and done that, Right? Here's what I see in my little crystal ball. (lol) The NCAA could really be in a real sticky situation here on so many issues, if they let UNC basically skate. There will be a loud outcry from many if this occurs. Not only from PackPride, but anyone that is interested to keeping integrity in the college game. This could become very ugly, not in the best interest of UNC who really wants this to go away ASAP. For UNC, it would probably be better for them to take a big hit, say we screwed up and will correct all this stuff. Their road to recovery would probably be so much faster. In other words, for them to skate may make it miserable for their future.
These jokers think the NCAA will be in a sticky situation if they let UNC off without punishment - whereas they don't realize they would be in a much stickier situation by having to police everyone everywhere if they got involved in the academic side of things. I also really like how he tries to spin it that UNC will somehow be worse off if they don't get a big hit, and how he thinks there would be a loud outcry from everyone, and the NCAA will essentially be afraid of Pack Pride.
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Re: Continuing to support NC State athletics?
Yesterday at 8:39 PMLast edited Yesterday at 8:58 PMby goturbackpack66
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I think it still may be premature to say there won't be harsh punishment for UNC. I surely get it, yesterday we were expecting harsher wording and we saw absence of earlier allegations. The idea of WBB taking the brunt end of punishment is ludicrous. MBB is the biggest thing at UNC, and they cheated like hell, and everyone should know it. I'm willing to wait for the final decision on punishment. Most here think the big revenue sports will skate, and I don't blame them for feeling that way. Been there and done that, Right? Here's what I see in my little crystal ball. (lol) The NCAA could really be in a real sticky situation here on so many issues, if they let UNC basically skate. There will be a loud outcry from many if this occurs. Not only from PackPride, but anyone that is interested to keeping integrity in the college game. This could become very ugly, not in the best interest of UNC who really wants this to go away ASAP. For UNC, it would probably be better for them to take a big hit, say we screwed up and will correct all this stuff. Their road to recovery would probably be so much faster. In other words, for them to skate may make it miserable for their future.
The UNC mafia gets even bigger. We have now infiltrated the political system in NC. I think we should start calling ourselves the League of Shadows. Swofford can play the part of Ra's Al Ghul.
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Re: Link: NOA Released
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Ok... since I have not contributed in a significant way on the investigation, I have decided to take on a role that I hope will help people understand the situation in North Carolina. Over the years, I have come to realize that our alumni and supporters do not understand the politics and organization of the governing organization - The UNC BOG. Likewise, our folks do not understand how the individual 16 universities fit in with the BOG. We have folks bashing NC State people for some, imho, silly and impractical things.
Let me give you some excitement before I go on. Effectively, the Rams Club is running NC State University!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll state my case.
You see, the BOG works with the legislature to develop the overall funding for the university system. As I understand it, each school submits their funding needs to the BOG and gets what they get. The system was organized this way to avoid each school going to the legislature separately. Theoretically, it was to be more fair and equitable and make the overall system stronger.
Each of the 16 campuses have a (12?) member board of trustees. Researched this during the Valvano witch hunt because I saw disturbing things. As I understand it, each schools BOT members serve a three year term. Three rotate off every year. The governor appoints a replacement and the BOG appoints the other two. The 13th member is the sitting student body president.
Chancellors are selected by each school forming a search committee, interviewing candidates, and recommending two people to the President of the BOG who normally picks from the two. Except in the case of Larry Monteith. He was not recommended by the committee. Spangler picked him instead. Why? My belief is to unleash the anti-athletic folks on our campus and to get rid of Jim Valvano. Mr. Spangler was successful in that regard.
As everyone should realize, Randy Woodson does not work for the NC State board of trustees or alumni and students. His boss is the President of the BOG, who is currently Margaret Spellings. Who appoints the president is where I am still a little fuzzy. I am also fuzzy about how the chairman and vice chair man are appointed.
This article filled in the missing pieces on how the BOG members are buying their seats.
ncpolicywatch.com/2015/03/18/politicians-took-in-more-than-1-million-from-unc-board-of-governor-hopefuls
The individual board members are appointed by the legislature. And guess what? Here is where the chapel cheat money and influence comes in. Seats on The Board are being purchased by chapel cheat contributions to the individual legislator's re-election campaigns. So it makes no difference whether Democrats or Republicans are in charge. The color of the board is light blue with sycophants and fan boys and fan girls.
Dr. Yow works for Chancellor Woodson who works for President Spellings. So.... Spellings can be pressured by chapel cheats fanboys and fangirls on the board to say- reduce NC States academic funding if Woodson and Yow choose to speak out. Simply put... the light Blue Rams club money is running NC State's funding through power brokers on the BOG. My understanding is that during the Valvano years, NC State was threatened by the BOG..... do what we want ore we will change your BOT make-up and reduce your funding.
I am sure I have some errors in this. PM be with corrections and I will edit.
sc
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Re: Link: NOA Released
1:12 PMLast edited 1:15 PMby thescwolf
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Ok... since I have not contributed in a significant way on the investigation, I have decided to take on a role that I hope will help people understand the situation in North Carolina. Over the years, I have come to realize that our alumni and supporters do not understand the politics and organization of the governing organization - The UNC BOG. Likewise, our folks do not understand how the individual 16 universities fit in with the BOG. We have folks bashing NC State people for some, imho, silly and impractical things.
Let me give you some excitement before I go on. Effectively, the Rams Club is running NC State University!!!!!!!!!!!! I'll state my case.
You see, the BOG works with the legislature to develop the overall funding for the university system. As I understand it, each school submits their funding needs to the BOG and gets what they get. The system was organized this way to avoid each school going to the legislature separately. Theoretically, it was to be more fair and equitable and make the overall system stronger.
Each of the 16 campuses have a (12?) member board of trustees. Researched this during the Valvano witch hunt because I saw disturbing things. As I understand it, each schools BOT members serve a three year term. Three rotate off every year. The governor appoints a replacement and the BOG appoints the other two. The 13th member is the sitting student body president.
Chancellors are selected by each school forming a search committee, interviewing candidates, and recommending two people to the President of the BOG who normally picks from the two. Except in the case of Larry Monteith. He was not recommended by the committee. Spangler picked him instead. Why? My belief is to unleash the anti-athletic folks on our campus and to get rid of Jim Valvano. Mr. Spangler was successful in that regard.
As everyone should realize, Randy Woodson does not work for the NC State board of trustees or alumni and students. His boss is the President of the BOG, who is currently Margaret Spellings. Who appoints the president is where I am still a little fuzzy. I am also fuzzy about how the chairman and vice chair man are appointed.
This article filled in the missing pieces on how the BOG members are buying their seats.
ncpolicywatch.com/2015/03/18/politicians-took-in-more-than-1-million-from-unc-board-of-governor-hopefuls
The individual board members are appointed by the legislature. And guess what? Here is where the chapel cheat money and influence comes in. Seats on The Board are being purchased by chapel cheat contributions to the individual legislator's re-election campaigns. So it makes no difference whether Democrats or Republicans are in charge. The color of the board is light blue with sycophants and fan boys and fan girls.
Dr. Yow works for Chancellor Woodson who works for President Spellings. So.... Spellings can be pressured by chapel cheats fanboys and fangirls on the board to say- reduce NC States academic funding if Woodson and Yow choose to speak out. Simply put... the light Blue Rams club money is running NC State's funding through power brokers on the BOG. My understanding is that during the Valvano years, NC State was threatened by the BOG..... do what we want ore we will change your BOT make-up and reduce your funding.
I am sure I have some errors in this. PM be with corrections and I will edit.
sc
^^^ fuggin classic lol. He starts out by stating his frustration at other Pack fans' ignorance about how the BOG / BOTs operates/is formed, then he posts a bunch of junk that clearly demonstrates he lacks a fundamental understanding of the roles of the BOG and BOTs
PLEASE LET THIS HAPPEN, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
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Re: The official NOTHING is going to happen to the tarholes t...
10:48 AM
If the sanctions are light, here's what I'm going to do. When we host UNC in basketball this season, I'm going to arrive at he game, and put signs on my seats that say "We don't watch CHEATERS!" Then I am going to leave before tipoff. NCSU still gets ticket $, no UNC fans in my seats, and who knows maybe some others here will join in and do the same. Could send a message to NCAA that we think they were played by UNC Spin Machine.
what a bunch of idiots
They think such a stunt would make them look noble and admirable. What they don't realize is it will just make them look petty and dumb. Even the most overbearing of writers -- be it Forde, O'Neil, et al -- stops caring about scandals within a month of the final punishment being handed down. The national conversation, once it gets over the fortnight-long anger over the lax punishment, will be on the next issue by then and no one will care (except Pack fans).
I like the suggestions that their athletics teams boycott all competitions against UNC-Cheat.
Hey, morons. That's an automatic W for us and L for you. Plus you sabotage your own gate fees, concession sales, etc.
Buncha MENSA members over there.
Hey, morons. That's an automatic W for us and L for you. Plus you sabotage your own gate fees, concession sales, etc.
Buncha MENSA members over there.
They also think that this boycotting plan will INCREASE donations to the Wolpfack Club.
LOL.
That's actually not a bad idea since they usually get an L anyway. The results stay the same, but they don't have to get embarrassed on the court/field. Gives them more time to fish too.
God, I love these people. Emphasis added by me.
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Re: UNC-CH Scandal: If you don't want to discuss it, then don't
Yesterday at 10:41 PMLast edited Yesterday at 10:43 PMby PersesContractor
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Remember the email a few weeks ago about Dean Smith. I sent that to the SACS. As it turns out it was a department dean whose last name was Smith. It happens. PackPride can be ruthless to some of their members.
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Re: UNC-CH Scandal: If you don't want to discuss it, then don't
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I vote to put into action whatever it takes to leave the Nazi ACC. Join ECU's conference and make the NCSU-ECU football game the biggest sporting event in the state.
Also, we should refuse to take the field/court against the cheaters, we should never play them again until the playing field is level.
And try to get other schools, like WF, Clemson, VT, UVA, etc, to follow our lead.
Heil Swoffy !!
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Re: UNC-CH Scandal: If you don't want to discuss it, then don't
9:29 AM
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The more embarrassing thing in this state is not HB2, it is this scandal. Now you have a self proclaimed "flag ship" implementing institutional sexism (on top of racism) to save a men's basketball program.
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Re: UNC-CH Scandal: If you don't want to discuss it, then don't
Yesterday at 10:41 PMLast edited Yesterday at 10:43 PMby PersesContractor
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Remember the email a few weeks ago about Dean Smith. I sent that to the SACS. As it turns out it was a department dean whose last name was Smith. It happens. PackPride can be ruthless to some of their members.
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Re: UNC-CH Scandal: If you don't want to discuss it, then don't
8:12 AM
I vote to put into action whatever it takes to leave the Nazi ACC. Join ECU's conference and make the NCSU-ECU football game the biggest sporting event in the state.
Also, we should refuse to take the field/court against the cheaters, we should never play them again until the playing field is level.
And try to get other schools, like WF, Clemson, VT, UVA, etc, to follow our lead.
Heil Swoffy !!
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Re: UNC-CH Scandal: If you don't want to discuss it, then don't
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The more embarrassing thing in this state is not HB2, it is this scandal. Now you have a self proclaimed "flag ship" implementing institutional sexism (on top of racism) to save a men's basketball program.
LOL the Dean Smith he's talking about is a snarky journalism law professor. He was a dick but I learned a TON from him in the course I took from him.
Join ECU's conference and make the NCSU-ECU football game the biggest sporting event in the state.
OMG
OMG
Bro, why COULDN'T it become the biggest sporting event in the state? Nevermind that each has tiny geographic footprints and nevermind that no network would ever put that game on national TV, and nevermind that neither team is ever in the Top 25. Besides all that, it's fugging BIG-TIME dude. ECU and State has BALLERS
It's true. I've seen the documentation.
Wayne Ellington wins the Walter Kennedy Citizenship Award.
Congrats, Wayne. Continuing to make Heels fans proud.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...-nets-wins-j-walter-kennedy-citizenship-award
Congrats, Wayne. Continuing to make Heels fans proud.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/1...-nets-wins-j-walter-kennedy-citizenship-award
@Raising Heel That was a brilliant idea in the Visiting Fan thread on Blitz. There is some truly valuable information being collected there.
Hey @UNC '92 , you need to get over there and delete/modify your post pronto. You're the last holdout in these shenanigans.
https://northcarolina.forums.rivals...isiting-fan-to-chapel-hill.38274/#post-549432
You too, @tarheel0910
https://northcarolina.forums.rivals...isiting-fan-to-chapel-hill.38274/#post-549558
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