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Yeah, they're pretty much the same. You would think that. Tomato tomato.
you are so irretrievably clueless. You can't tell the difference between rooting for a school and rooting for a pedophile, but here you are trying to give someone a hard time for not caring about the difference between schools that happened to be the location of some bad behavior.

And in our case, the school was actually involved in the bad behavior, moreso than that other school was..

Notching this one up to @gunslingerdick.
 
The saying is "who in the fvck equates giving easy classes to raping children?" You do. I love this ... it "affected" them. Good job. Euphemisms for rape and cheating if it helps you... those hot dogs are poisonous after all.
hell, as long as you're making shit up, why not throw your pet racism in there.

It's tomato, rutabaga and you think there's no difference. SMH and LOL.
 
You can't tell the difference between rooting for a school and rooting for a pedophile,
The school covered it up, too! It's not JUST one guy that created that legacy. It was at all levels. That whole institution should have been closed. And, of course, here you are passively defending the shit because it casts your teammate in a bad light. There's no bottom. Carry on!
 
The school covered it up, too! It's not JUST one guy that created that legacy. It was at all levels. That whole institution should have been closed. And, of course, here you are passively defending the shit because it casts your teammate in a bad light. There's no bottom. Carry on!
at the time it all happened, I was trying to point out to hysterical idiots like you that it was a police matter, and not an NCAA one. The NCAA has no rules against pedophilia simply because that sort of thing is not what the NCAA exists to police. So, the one individual who was actually a school administrator and who turned his back, is who in the school (other than coaches Paterno and Sandusky) should have gotten run through the courts and then whipped mercilessly forever for not stopping the disgusting activity.

The school did not and does not condone pedophilia. It was not 'involved at all levels'. To believe that it should be shut down because a few individuals either committed a crime or turned their back to one is sheer showboating virtue-signaling stupidity.

On the other hand, PSU fans defended their beloved coach Paterno...just as we would have defended Dean Smith. That's how the real world works. You should come out of your rabbit hole and see it every once in a while.

But good job virtue-signaling against pedophilia. I guess that's just another area that you're so virtuously ahead of the rest of us in. LOL.
 
at the time it all happened, I was trying to point out to hysterical idiots like you that it was a police matter, and not an NCAA one. The NCAA has no rules against pedophilia simply because that sort of thing is not what the NCAA exists to police. So, the one individual who was actually a school administrator and who turned his back, is who in the school (other than coaches Paterno and Sandusky) should have gotten run through the courts and then whipped mercilessly forever for not stopping the disgusting activity.

The school did not and does not condone pedophilia. It was not 'involved at all levels'. To believe that it should be shut down because a few individuals either committed a crime or turned their back to one is sheer showboating virtue-signaling stupidity.

On the other hand, PSU fans defended their beloved coach Paterno...just as we would have defended Dean Smith. That's how the real world works. You should come out of your rabbit hole and see it every once in a while.

But good job virtue-signaling against pedophilia. I guess that's just another area that you're so virtuously ahead of the rest of us in. LOL.
I really don't care what you were trying to do then, or now.

The school helped cover it up, or enough of them did. This shit went on for decades.

I would NOT defend Dean Smith if his assistant coach was raping children. And, if the athletic department, and administration officials, and whoever else was complicit... I'd be ashamed of ever having supported them on any level. Their fame and revenue from the fame afforded them a criminal activity that wrecked lives for generations. Is that virtue signaling? Good! I'll gladly carry that mantle. It's a fukton better than twisting myself in a knot to try and defend and deflect the consequences and passively condoning it and enabling it in the future.
 
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Sign stealing isn’t illegal, scouting in person is. You can only use tv broadcast coverage to scout opponents. If their signs are easy enough to pickup on gameday or in the broadcast coverage then it’s fair game.
Thanks for the clarification. Why? Is it simply economics where the big, monied programs would have an unfair advantage from a personnel standpoint?
 
Sign stealing isn’t illegal, scouting in person is. You can only use tv broadcast coverage to scout opponents. If their signs are easy enough to pickup on gameday or in the broadcast coverage then it’s fair game.
I think the whole thing is pretty overblown, but sending scouts to other games is weird to me. I'm firmly against sign stealing though and I think anyone in baseball should get thrown at when they do it. Not really sure what the football equivalent would be. They could just make it irrelevant and put communication tech in a QBs helmet like the NFL.
 
I really don't care what you were trying to do then, or now.
really? Then why did you make a point of saying I was just supporting my 'teammate'? That would be the now, and my rebuttal was pointing out the then, well before there was a 'teammate' to defend. I know this is pretty heady stuff for to follow, maybe you should just stick to mindless virtue-signaling.

Are you keeping score? I'm not, but I know my half brain is kicking your complete brain's ass...so to speak.


The school helped cover it up, or enough of them did. This shit went on for decades.
there you go just making shit up again. That's what you have to do because you never have an argument otherwise. The school did not help cover things up, and I would love it if you identified the few who you say did. I'll gladly help you castigate them.

I would NOT defend Dean Smith if his assistant coach was raping children. And, if the athletic department, and administration officials, and whoever else was complicit... I'd be ashamed of ever having supported them on any level. Their fame and revenue from the fame afforded them a criminal activity that wrecked lives for generations. Is that virtue signaling? Good! I'll gladly carry that mantle. It's a fukton better than twisting myself in a knot to try and defend and deflect the consequences.
If there was a question of whether Dean handled it properly once he was informed of the possibility, the average human being who was a fan would defend him because he would seem to be above any wrongdoing. Paterno reported the rumor that he heard to the right authority, and then washed his hands of it all. His 'crime' was in not following up to make sure nothing was actually going on. I was at the top of the pile calling for his head, not that you care about then or now or anything but your opportunity to virtue-signal. VERY few people even knew that Sandusky MIGHT be committing horrible behavior.

THREE people beyond Sandusky and Paterno were involved in and charged with covering up and lying to investigators. That's an entire school in your deranged mind. You're just a virtue-signaling goofball.

LMAO at the notion you present that I am the one twisting myself into a knot, when you are the one struggling to justify condemning an entire school for nothing it was complicit in.
 
I really don't care what you were trying to do then, or now.

The school helped cover it up, or enough of them did. This shit went on for decades.

I would NOT defend Dean Smith if his assistant coach was raping children. And, if the athletic department, and administration officials, and whoever else was complicit... I'd be ashamed of ever having supported them on any level. Their fame and revenue from the fame afforded them a criminal activity that wrecked lives for generations. Is that virtue signaling? Good! I'll gladly carry that mantle. It's a fukton better than twisting myself in a knot to try and defend and deflect the consequences and passively condoning it and enabling it in the future.
I've always had difficulty with this entire series of events. It simply can't be justified at any level and I don't know what Joe Pa knew or didn't know specifically. I do know a couple of people that played for him and, to a man, they would do anything they could have for him and also attest to his values and virtue. Thus, it's a conundrum for me. That being said, I highly doubt that anyone who was actually associated with the entire situation is still there. Thus, I can't really hold the actions (or inactions) of individuals against that of the institution. I just hate them now due to my s-i-l and her zaniness.
 
really? Then why did you make a point of saying I was just supporting my 'teammate'? That would be the now, and my rebuttal was pointing out the then, well before there was a 'teammate' to defend. I know this is pretty heady stuff for to follow, maybe you should just stick to mindless virtue-signaling.

Are you keeping score? I'm not, but I know my half brain is kicking your complete brain's ass...so to speak.



there you go just making shit up again. That's what you have to do because you never have an argument otherwise. The school did not help cover things up, and I would love it if you identified the few who you say did. I'll gladly help you castigate them.


If there was a question of whether Dean handled it properly once he was informed of the possibility, the average human being who was a fan would defend him because he would seem to be above any wrongdoing. Paterno reported the rumor that he heard to the right authority, and then washed his hands of it all. His 'crime' was in not following up to make sure nothing was actually going on. I was at the top of the pile calling for his head, not that you care about then or now or anything but your opportunity to virtue-signal. VERY few people even knew that Sandusky MIGHT be committing horrible behavior.

THREE people beyond Sandusky and Paterno were involved in and charged with covering up and lying to investigators. That's an entire school in your deranged mind. You're just a virtue-signaling goofball.

LMAO at the notion you present that I am the one twisting myself into a knot, when you are the one struggling to justify condemning an entire school for nothing it was complicit in.
The success of PSU is forever-attached, and it was well-earned, to covering up multiple child rape. So... if you can manage to say "meh, it wasn't that bad, because blah, blah, blah..." Be my guest. That's your choice. Justifying and rationalizing is what human beings do best.
 
I've always had difficulty with this entire series of events. It simply can't be justified at any level and I don't know what Joe Pa knew or didn't know specifically. I do know a couple of people that played for him and, to a man, they would do anything they could have for him and also attest to his values and virtue. Thus, it's a conundrum for me. That being said, I highly doubt that anyone who was actually associated with the entire situation is still there. Thus, I can't really hold the actions (or inactions) of individuals against that of the institution. I just hate them now due to my s-i-l and her zaniness.
It reminds me of Malcolm X when he realized the "honorable" Elijah Mohammed" had really betrayed him. He would have died for the man. And, then, he found out he had been betrayed. He didn't have the capacity to process that. He found it, eventually. Of course, he was murdered himself.

The point is, letting your zeal and favor of traditions deny recognition of a larger, more damaging truth, has serious consequences.
 
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The success of PSU is forever-attached, and it was well-earned, to covering up multiple child rape. So... if you can manage to say "meh, it wasn't that bad, because blah, blah, blah..." Be my guest. That's your choice. Justifying and rationalizing is what human beings do best.
of course it's forever attached, because there are far more mindless idiots out there who don't bother to inform themselves of the facts, than there are those who can actually think and care about the truth and aren't looking for a reason to signal their virtue.

And in any case, you can't even open your mouth without lying in order to make your case. The school wasn't complicit, only a very few individuals were involved and mostly not directly. And nobody is saying 'IT' 'wasn't that bad'. I have made it clear that the pedophilia that occurred was horrendous. So is your need to minimize others' feelings toward it just so you can virtue-signal.

Most human do rationalize, but some simply explain and reveal the facts as I have tried to do here. YOU are the one rationalizing and trying unsuccessfully to justify your wayward and IRrational POV.
 
I have made it clear that the pedophilia that occurred was horrendous.
No... actually you've done your damnedest to deflect away from that and minimize what happened. You even tried to claim that UNC fans would do the same with Dean Smith. You keep doing it over and over. I forgive you, sweetie.
 
Thanks for the clarification. Why? Is it simply economics where the big, monied programs would have an unfair advantage from a personnel standpoint?

I think that’s it. Plus there’s a lot of grey area with new technology. A blanket ban does create the simplest most level playing field with regards to scouting and film.
 
I think the whole thing is pretty overblown, but sending scouts to other games is weird to me. I'm firmly against sign stealing though and I think anyone in baseball should get thrown at when they do it. Not really sure what the football equivalent would be. They could just make it irrelevant and put communication tech in a QBs helmet like the NFL.

I grew up playing baseball and it was always considered part of the game. But we weren’t using cameras or anything like that. If a coach wasn’t good enough to put a good system in for calling pitches then just let the catcher call the game. Certain things were always taboo though. If a hitter is trying to steal a glance back while he’s in the box, then yeah he’s gonna wear one.

That said I never needed much of an excuse to throw at people lol.
 
The saying is "who in the fvck equates giving easy classes to raping children?" You do. I love this ... it "affected" them. Good job. Euphemisms for rape and cheating if it helps you... those hot dogs are poisonous after all.

I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. But please don't try to explain. I have a feeling it will make it worse.

No one equated the two. Only a moron that's obsessing about me and is looking for a purposeless argument would attempt to draw that conclusion. So it's no surprise that's what you did.
 
Sign stealing isn’t illegal, scouting in person is. You can only use tv broadcast coverage to scout opponents. If their signs are easy enough to pickup on gameday or in the broadcast coverage then it’s fair game.

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That's helpful to have an answer on this. However, I still might track down the language on such just to see how that's written. Because is attending a game in person only illegal for staff? What if a Michigan student went to a MSU game and then sent coach an email? Can coach read the email? Or is that a violation also? Also, that seems like an incredibly stupid rule. I'm sure there are holes all over the way it's written.
 
I think the whole thing is pretty overblown, but sending scouts to other games is weird to me. I'm firmly against sign stealing though and I think anyone in baseball should get thrown at when they do it. Not really sure what the football equivalent would be. They could just make it irrelevant and put communication tech in a QBs helmet like the NFL.

I have thought for my entire existence of being a football fan that the signs teams use at games are unique to that game and are changed from week to week. To learn that teams use the same ones repeatedly stuns me. You're inviting people to learn your shit. Just be better. Be more creative and use different signs. Baseball teams change them from inning to inning.
 
The success of PSU is forever-attached, and it was well-earned, to covering up multiple child rape. So... if you can manage to say "meh, it wasn't that bad, because blah, blah, blah..." Be my guest. That's your choice. Justifying and rationalizing is what human beings do best.

Do we have to hate their other athletic teams too or just football? I have a friend that went there for school. Should I defriend him on social media? That lousy sonofabitch tried to better himself by giving money to that damned institution.
 
No... actually you've done your damnedest to deflect away from that and minimize what happened. You even tried to claim that UNC fans would do the same with Dean Smith. You keep doing it over and over. I forgive you, sweetie.
I guess you just have to lie to fuel your combative homosexual delusions.

What I claimed about Dean Smith is that if he was accused of not reacting strongly enough to a rumor of pedophilia (as Paterno was), fans would defend him just as PSU fans defended Paterno, because our hero just couldn't have done anything wrong. No one said he or I or anyone defended pedophilia or even deflected from it. But you would have nothing to piss and moan your virtue-signals over if you didn't lie and create your false scenario. That's kind of your well known MO.

My words are there, you can lie about them but you can't change them.

And they are simply true. But you try to turn it into something more than that so you can continue to piss and moan your virtue-signals. You try to make it sound as if someone is defending pedophilia or deflecting from it and you know that isn't the case. Or maybe you are actually that stupid.

Dude, we get it. You're a homosexual, lying, virtue-signaler and you don't care who knows it. Fine with me.
 
I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. But please don't try to explain. I have a feeling it will make it worse.

No one equated the two. Only a moron that's obsessing about me and is looking for a purposeless argument would attempt to draw that conclusion. So it's no surprise that's what you did.
stop trying to divide his attention. But you are exactly right.

Only an idiot would suggest an entire and very fine school be eliminated because of the neglectful wrongdoing of a handful of associated people. He is all but suggesting that the school itself is pedo.
 
Sign stealing isn’t illegal, scouting in person is. You can only use tv broadcast coverage to scout opponents. If their signs are easy enough to pickup on gameday or in the broadcast coverage then it’s fair game.
Is this just football or baseball too?
 
I grew up playing baseball and it was always considered part of the game. But we weren’t using cameras or anything like that. If a coach wasn’t good enough to put a good system in for calling pitches then just let the catcher call the game. Certain things were always taboo though. If a hitter is trying to steal a glance back while he’s in the box, then yeah he’s gonna wear one.

That said I never needed much of an excuse to throw at people lol.
I grew up playing baseball too and in my area it was understood that all bets are off if you tried to steal signs. You can do it, but don't expect to get it for free.
 
The point is, letting your zeal and favor of traditions deny recognition of a larger, more damaging truth, has serious consequences.
and for the people actually guilty of that, it did. But let's try to make it more sinister and far-ranging than that so you can virtue-signal some more.
 
I guess you just have to lie to fuel your combative homosexual delusions.

What I claimed about Dean Smith is that if he was accused of not reacting strongly enough to a rumor of pedophilia (as Paterno was), fans would defend him just as PSU fans defended Paterno, because our hero just couldn't have done anything wrong. No one said he or I or anyone defended pedophilia or even deflected from it. But you would have nothing to piss and moan your virtue-signals over if you didn't lie and create your false scenario. That's kind of your well known MO.

My words are there, you can lie about them but you can't change them.

And they are simply true. But you try to turn it into something more than that so you can continue to piss and moan your virtue-signals. You try to make it sound as if someone is defending pedophilia or deflecting from it and you know that isn't the case. Or maybe you are actually that stupid.

Dude, we get it. You're a homosexual, lying, virtue-signaler and you don't care who knows it. Fine with me.
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Finally. We've found the root cause of your problems.
like I only have one root cause of my problems. The problems I have, one root cause isn't nearly enough to explain them all.

Baseball is OK, I just could never get into it like I could with all the other sports. Some years ago though, I did learn a lot about all the strategery involved and that is very interesting. Gives baseball a flavor to make up for the slow pace.

It's funny how those retaliations are just generally accepted as part of the game.

As little as I care about watching a baseball game, I could watch highlights all day long, both hitting and fielding and the incidental stuff.
 
2023 is Carolina's primetime showcase season. Another 8pm game. Feels like the 4th or 5th night game this season. ACCN isn't really a national network.
 
Who else finds this whole Michigan sign stealer thing to be a big nothing burger? I cannot believe how this is getting the coverage it is. If you don't want people who attend games to know your signs, disguise them better. Mix them up. Stop using the same signs. Seems ridiculous to me that a team would be in trouble for such. Is that not just scouting?
If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying!

No but really it is ridiculous. Stealing signs and scouting etc has always been part of the game. We got coaches covering their mouths while talking for chrissakes.
 
If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying!

No but really it is ridiculous. Stealing signs and scouting etc has always been part of the game. We got coaches covering their mouths while talking for chrissakes.
Michigan is supposed to get on a plane at 1:00 PM to fly to Happy Valley for tomorrow's game. The BIG is supposedly responding to Michigan in the "early" afternoon. I predict a court filing by Mich., asking for an immediate injunction against the BIG if it's anything that derails this season. Their whole game here will be to delay all of this until after the playoffs and let khaki boy ride his horse back to the NFL.
 
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