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OOTB Carolina football discussion thread

Being the ACC champion is a massive achievement for us and I'll love it more than a potential national championship in basketball this year, but we would be the tallest midget among P5 champs. A one loss runner-up in the other conferences would get the four seed, because they would have the better overall resume. A one loss OSU/UM or "insert SEC team" gets that spot.
Oh, without question... the tallest midget.

As we all know... the ACC is a basketball conference. I saw Texas ranked at #18 and they have 3 (now 4) losses. The SEC is the football conference... with a few Big 10s for good measure.
 
Oh, without question... the tallest midget.

As we all know... the ACC is a basketball conference. I saw Texas ranked at #18 and they have 3 (now 4) losses. The SEC is the football conference... with a few Big 10s for good measure.
The ACC isn't even a good basketball conference anymore. It's at best third, behind both Bigs. The SEC is probably right there with the ACC too. Basically the only thing the ACC has left is Olympic sports. Unless Clemson, FSU, Miami and UNC can be consistently in the top 10-15 for football, then the ACC won't exist in it's current form in the next 6-8 years.
 
Is it generally accepted that Josh Downs is going pro after this season?
I'd be pretty surprised if he comes back. From what I've seen he's projected to go no later than the third round. His biggest problem is his size, which probably won't improve by coming back. If he can't improve his position, then it doesn't make sense to come back.
 
Josh Downs is a first round pick. He is a carbon copy of Marquise “Hollywood” Brown. Downs has elite speed (acceleration and straight line), better than average hands and is an masterful route runner. His size is a bit of a knock on him but many other WRs of the same stature have been excellent pros.
 
The ACC isn't even a good basketball conference anymore. It's at best third, behind both Bigs. The SEC is probably right there with the ACC too. Basically the only thing the ACC has left is Olympic sports. Unless Clemson, FSU, Miami and UNC can be consistently in the top 10-15 for football, then the ACC won't exist in it's current form in the next 6-8 years.
Can't even vie for third best in the sport of babes anymore. UNC & FSU were dominant in the hot-coeds category, competing with ASU, USC, UCLA and UF.. But then we added BC, Pitt, Cuse.... wtf.
 
Josh Downs is a first round pick. He is a carbon copy of Marquise “Hollywood” Brown. Downs has elite speed (acceleration and straight line), better than average hands and is an masterful route runner. His size is a bit of a knock on him but many other WRs of the same stature have been excellent pros.
Above avg smack talker too
 
Need Baylor's D to make one more stop here. TCU loss at least opens the door for a 1 loss ACC champ to sneak into the 4 spot. Long odds but it would at least be possible

edit: fml
 
meecheegun finds a miracle, of course!

Fingers crossed that UNC brings their best today. I'll believe it when I see it.
 
well, it is Georgia Tech.

But then it is UNC.
I'll, frankly, just be relieved if UNC wins the game. The football team is winning, but they barely win every game. I just can't trust them beyond HOPEFULLY winning.
 
Imagine what would be if the squirter hadn't scored on the 1st carry. Let's see if the 4th quarter magic can happen
 
21 points just seemed like an omen to me. No friggin way is UNC ever that much of a favorite.
 
21 points was about right. Winning by a few touchdowns would’ve been an underwhelming performance at best. Losing took a spectacularly awful performance. Even as bad as they played tonight they still really should have won. Josh Downs is one of the most sure handed receivers in college football. Run that play 100 times and he catches the game winning TD on 99 of them.
 
they didn't
I'm not really surprised.

It's always felt like the other shoe was going to drop, just a matter of when. They squeak-by every game. They always have a WTF game (or severa). I wouldn't be surprised if this humiliation feeling carries-over to Friday. I don't expect them to ever win any game. When they do, I'm glad, but always cautiously optimistic. I never thought they'd win 9 games.
 
And, running those jailbreak rush-7 defensive plays always seems to wind up costing UNC 30-40 yards or more.
 
Well, he kinda pulled him down on top of him! lol
I'm not sure the refs really know how to call holding unless a player reaches out and grabs a player running away from him, and even then that goes uncalled half the time.. If you block somebody to the ground and fall on top of him either through your own momentum or because he has you in his grasp, they'll call holding more often than not. Why is that holding? If you block him to the ground but don't happen to fall yourself, holding isn't usually called but sometimes even then it is. Why?

In the case at hand, it is legal to grab the jersey and latch on to it as long as the pair of shoulders is more or less lined up...and they were about as lined up as lined up could be on that play. How is it holding if the players both happen to go to the ground like that? How does the ref know that it wasn't due to the impetus of the guy being blocked?

It was pretty clear that the latter was the case. The blocked guy practically bent our guy in two backwards, before he pushed him to the ground. The movement was in the direction of our guy falling. TERRIBLE call. Should have been a no-call. The ref can't see it in replay like we do, but if you aren't absolutely sure you saw what you are thinking about calling, and the play is not subject to review, swallow the damn whistle. Something should be changed because the holding call is the most erratically called play there is, and more impact plays are affected by it, with the possible exception of PI. Make it subject to review if nothing else. I suspect they won't do that because of how embarrassing it would be to see how often that get it wrong or miss it completely.
 
I'm not sure the refs really know how to call holding unless a player reaches out and grabs a player running away from him, and even then that goes uncalled half the time.. If you block somebody to the ground and fall on top of him either through your own momentum or because he has you in his grasp, they'll call holding more often than not. Why is that holding? If you block him to the ground but don't happen to fall yourself, holding isn't usually called but sometimes even then it is. Why?

In the case at hand, it is legal to grab the jersey and latch on to it as long as the pair of shoulders is more or less lined up...and they were about as lined up as lined up could be on that play. How is it holding if the players both happen to go to the ground like that? How does the ref know that it wasn't due to the impetus of the guy being blocked?

It was pretty clear that the latter was the case. The blocked guy practically bent our guy in two backwards, before he pushed him to the ground. The movement was in the direction of our guy falling. TERRIBLE call. Should have been a no-call. The ref can't see it in replay like we do, but if you aren't absolutely sure you saw what you are thinking about calling, and the play is not subject to review, swallow the damn whistle. Something should be changed because the holding call is the most erratically called play there is, and more impact plays are affected by it, with the possible exception of PI. Make it subject to review if nothing else. I suspect they won't do that because of how embarrassing it would be to see how often that get it wrong or miss it completely.
I'm all for sending that footage to whomever it will benefit. Holding calls have always been subjective and suspect.
 
We can’t….will never…have nice things


On a more cheerful note thanks this week to field hockey I think every four year student at unc since 1977 has been able to celebrate a unc sports team nattie during their stay. As opposed to $tate who’s students get one every 50 years.
Depends on how you define nice. We have "nice" things. We don't have great things. Not in football, anyway.
 
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At least I got to enjoy seeing the team with LT and Amos Lawrence and kelvin Bryant when I was there. Prob the best unc fb team all time. Even had the best Punter. If only they had a qb….
 
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At least I got to enjoy seeing the team with LT and Amos Lawrence and kelvin Bryant when I was there. Prob the best unc fb team all time. Even had the best Punter. If only they had a qb….
Steve Streater? Jeff Hayes? Hayes and Bryant played for Washington. Streater was signed with Washington and then was in that car wreck.

Famous Amos! I remember Kelvin and LT. I was only 12 or 13, but those were fun times.
 
At least I got to enjoy seeing the team with LT and Amos Lawrence and kelvin Bryant when I was there. Prob the best unc fb team all time. Even had the best Punter. If only they had a qb….

Steve Streater? Jeff Hayes? Hayes and Bryant played for Washington. Streater was signed with Washington and then was in that car wreck.

Famous Amos! I remember Kelvin and LT. I was only 12 or 13, but those were fun times.

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we're going to have to pony up bigtime to keep Drake. rumors are Tenn is going to offer him $10m.
 
we're going to have to pony up bigtime to keep Drake. rumors are Tenn is going to offer him $10m.
Wow... maybe pro football is better. At least when they're getting paid to play in the NFL, they can't quit on the team in a big game.
 
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