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Also, inalienable rights, due process, freedom of speech and religion, equality under the law, etc,.... are all based on and arguably are "religious mythologies" as you use the term. I would argue they are not mythologies but true. Either way, you have nothing outside of religion for believing they are true things.

Wokism doesn't believe in them. Progressives today certainly don't. They stem from religion and specifically Christianity. No other modern political school of thought and movement on it's own accepts these basic things the nation was founded on.
Well... yeah... technically, everything that we have experienced is a part of who we are now. We can draw from our previous experiences to help determine "right" from "wrong" in a present context. But, that includes EVERYTHING in previous experiences.

This comment: "Either way, you have nothing outside of religion for believing they are true things." is exactly what a Christian Nationalist would think and then say out loud (or type). So, thank you for providing proof that they exist.
 
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You ****ing xtians can’t decide on dunking vs sprinkling without having to form a new branch of your cult to accommodate it. Any nation you nuts establish would destroy itself from within with bickering and legalism within months. First you’d banish the “fake” christians like Catholics and Mormon, then you’d go after the Methodists for being too liberal, then the Pentecostals for dancing in the aisles and speaking in tongues, then the Episcopalians for having women ministers. What you’d have left is a bunch of old white cuckholds like @randman1 clutching their bibles and trying to declare war on anyone that’s not a “real” american
 
You ****ing xtians can’t decide on dunking vs sprinkling without having to form a new branch of your cult to accommodate it. Any nation you nuts establish would destroy itself from within with bickering and legalism within months. First you’d banish the “fake” christians like Catholics and Mormon, then you’d go after the Methodists for being too liberal, then the Pentecostals for dancing in the aisles and speaking in tongues, then the Episcopalians for having women ministers. What you’d have left is a bunch of old white cuckholds like @randman1 clutching their bibles and trying to declare war on anyone that’s not a “real” american
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You can theoretically create a "religion" out of most anything.

But, "Christianity" is an an established religion for over 2000 years. If you want to argue that Christian Nationalism is a fantasy because people can create religion out of anything, in order to deflect from the truth, be my guest.

I wish I could agree that religious fundamentalists are not trying to hijack the GOP. But, they are!
aren't you the one deflecting? He was responding to your 'religious mythologies' in federal law comment. He stated that the mythologies you promote and want to see encoded in law constitute a religion just as much as the religion he promotes, and you deflected from acknowledging that he has a point...the point being that you have no special standpoint from which you can dictate that your religion gets a pass in that respect and others don't.

Your 'religion' is just as objectionable to some as Christianity is to you. He wasn't deflecting from the truth but rather showing you a truth you won't acknowledge.



I don't know. Did you?
I don't know; like I said twice now, I didn't watch the entire thing because at some point toward the end, it seemed repetitive.. I assume you did see it all since you posted it. You aren't deflecting again, are you? Is the threat to democracy revealed in the video real and ominous, or is your protest and the posting of the video just whining about something you don't care for?
 
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Your 'religion' is just as objectionable to some as Christianity is to you.
What is my "religion", exactly? I wanna know what religion and the religious policies I'm allegedly promoting.
I didn't watch the entire thing
Okay... lemme know if you when you do. In fact, it will answer your questions for you, I would imagine. Then you wouldn't need my version of what I saw/heard.
 
a 'single lane mindset' is the best description of that outlook I've heard. Nothing moves in the other direction or crosses, it all goesone way or it doesn't go. Excellent post otherwise as well.
I don’t believe I’ve ever seen someone so ecstatic to have the principles of a one-way street explained to them. You’re really broadening your horizons, blue.
 
You ****ing xtians can’t decide on dunking vs sprinkling without having to form a new branch of your cult to accommodate it. Any nation you nuts establish would destroy itself from within with bickering and legalism within months. First you’d banish the “fake” christians like Catholics and Mormon, then you’d go after the Methodists for being too liberal, then the Pentecostals for dancing in the aisles and speaking in tongues, then the Episcopalians for having women ministers. What you’d have left is a bunch of old white cuckholds like @randman1 clutching their bibles and trying to declare war on anyone that’s not a “real” american
You're actually onto something. There's always little subtleties that allow for divisions!

 
You ****ing xtians can’t decide on dunking vs sprinkling without having to form a new branch of your cult to accommodate it. Any nation you nuts establish would destroy itself from within with bickering and legalism within months. First you’d banish the “fake” christians like Catholics and Mormon, then you’d go after the Methodists for being too liberal, then the Pentecostals for dancing in the aisles and speaking in tongues, then the Episcopalians for having women ministers. What you’d have left is a bunch of old white cuckholds like @randman1 clutching their bibles and trying to declare war on anyone that’s not a “real” american
Amen..
 
you are a knee-jerk liberal. That means that in spite of any explanations you offer of what you do and do not actually believe, you will react instantly and predictably and consistently to defend any liberal cause that's being questioned and against any conservatively expressed assessment of the same..

Depends on the issue we’re talking about.
 
What are you saying? Let me tell you something. If you ever come around me or my family, I will shoot your redneck, white trash ass.
I didn't say it, you did ya ****ing moron. Stop running your damn mouth so much in public spaces if the mention of their names upset you.
Speaking of Seattle,

Years ago my wife had to go to Seattle often on business. On one trip we planned on me flying out later in the week when she was finishing up and we would spend a few days in the Northwest and come back home. My wife still had some work to do the day after I got there so I went downtown around the Space Needle area to look around. When I got there they were in the process of filming the 100th episode of the TV show Frasier at the base of the Space Needle and they asked me if I would be an extra and I said sure. The scene showed Kelsey Grammer and the guy that played his dad and the girl in the show that played Daphne talking to a group of people (I was in that group). Anyway when they finished the three of them started into the Space Needle to have lunch. I thought it would be nice to get Kelsey's autograph but they were surrounded by security guards so I shouted out "Kelsey, I came all the way from North Carolina to get your autograph for my wife". Well, Kelsey turns around asked me "did you really come all the way from N.C. to get my autograph?" and I said sure I did..lol Anyway he asked me for something to write on and a pen, I didn't have either but the girl that plays Daphne fished around in her pocketbook and found both and Kelsey asked me what my wife's name was and I told him and he wrote "To Jean, Cheers...Kelsey Grammer" and handed it to me and started into the Space Needle. Well I turned around with my autograph and a girl from the local NBC station in Seattle asked me If I really came all the way from N.C. and I said yes. Well, she wanted to interview me for the 6:00 news that night. She asked me a few questions and that was it. That night at the hotel I told my wife that I wanted to watch the news before we went out for dinner. When she saw me on the news she almost fainted.....end of story.
 
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You ****ing xtians can’t decide on dunking vs sprinkling without having to form a new branch of your cult to accommodate it. Any nation you nuts establish would destroy itself from within with bickering and legalism within months. First you’d banish the “fake” christians like Catholics and Mormon, then you’d go after the Methodists for being too liberal, then the Pentecostals for dancing in the aisles and speaking in tongues, then the Episcopalians for having women ministers. What you’d have left is a bunch of old white cuckholds like @randman1 clutching their bibles and trying to declare war on anyone that’s not a “real” american
You are projecting again. No, it's the Woke people who cancel each other with bickering and absurdities.
 
Well... yeah... technically, everything that we have experienced is a part of who we are now. We can draw from our previous experiences to help determine "right" from "wrong" in a present context. But, that includes EVERYTHING in previous experiences.

This comment: "Either way, you have nothing outside of religion for believing they are true things." is exactly what a Christian Nationalist would think and then say out loud (or type). So, thank you for providing proof that they exist.
Show me a current prominent political movement and theory in the US that believes in the Bill of Rights as true, for example, besides one favorable to Christianity.
 
Show me a current prominent political movement and theory in the US that believes in the Bill of Rights as true, for example, besides one favorable to Christianity.


Believing in celestial monarchies is your business. If it makes sense to you, that's fine. Stay out of secular government, please. Democratizing societies isn't something that aligns with ancient religions that promote and insist upon celestial Kings that reward and punish based on the church's disposition of what they BELIEVE the King in the Sky is thinking, or wants, or commands.

If you think that the framers of the original American government were fervent, obedient Christians... well, you're just wrong. They were influenced by people like Francis Bacon and John Locke. The Enlightenment period was not a "religious" experience, it was quite the opposite. There may have been religious tolerance, but it was a time when human beings were realizing they were not servants of a celestial monarch.
 
Believing in celestial monarchies is your business. If it makes sense to you, that's fine. Stay out of secular government, please. Democratizing societies isn't something that aligns with ancient religions that promote and insist upon celestial Kings that reward and punish based on the church's disposition of what they BELIEVE the King in the Sky is thinking, or wants, or commands.

If you think that the framers of the original American government were fervent, obedient Christians... well, you're just wrong. They were influenced by people like Francis Bacon and John Locke. The Enlightenment period was not a "religious" experience, it was quite the opposite. There may have been religious tolerance, but it was a time when human beings were realizing they were not servants of a celestial monarch.

Damn straight. A huge portion of the Founders were Deists. They were not these rabid, anti intellectual, right wing Christians randman loves to think they are.
 
Damn straight. A huge portion of the Founders were Deists. They were not these rabid, anti intellectual, right wing Christians randman loves to think they are.
I'm not saying, or even implying, that "Christian" teachings/values/guidance/suggestions/preferences were not present in their thinking, or their philosophies. I'm sure they were. But, being kind, treating others as you want to be treated, being fair-minded, etc., aren't exclusive to Jesus. We're taught behaviors from the time we're born. I don't think I need a King In The Sky watching me, to know that lying, stealing, cheating, murdering, and just generally "being an asshole" will probably have consequences that I probably won't like. I don't need the reward, or prize, of eternal paradise-- later on-- to entice me to do what's "right" while I'm residing in this human form.

I was exposed to theologies/religion in abundance when I was a child. I am actually quite thankful for that experience. But, I've come to understand a different existence that goes way beyond what I was taught/told as a child.
 
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You mean I quote things people on this board say and can remember things?
This means I can use the quote function when people forget about the things they've told us and it helps that I can remember things said.

Oh the horror! No one should have so much power.
This is me feigning outrage and fear of someone with such power.

Stop being such a bitch and take your Prevagen.
This is me telling @prlyles to stop being a bitch and take his memory meds.
 
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You are one sick fvck, but don’t forget what I said. I meant it..
you know, the whole time I've been calling you the village idiot here I've reserved a bit of doubt since I only see what you post, and I don't really know you. Well congrats, you just removed any trace of that doubt. You are a mindless fool.
 
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I don’t believe I’ve ever seen someone so ecstatic to have the principles of a one-way street explained to them. You’re really broadening your horizons, blue.
I don't believe I've seen anyone so interested in my horizons. Thanks for the interest, but don't plan on leaving anything under my pillow.
 
What is my "religion", exactly? I wanna know what religion and the religious policies I'm allegedly promoting.

Okay... lemme know if you when you do. In fact, it will answer your questions for you, I would imagine. Then you wouldn't need my version of what I saw/heard.
that would be the religion that @randman1 talked about in reply to you and that we have referred to since then. If you need expansion on that, please refer back to him. Try to keep up so we don't have to keep repeating.

I went ahead and finished the minute of video I hadn't watched and all I found was that same Baptist (I think) lady saying that her concern was over a threat to religious freedom, not democracy. As a matter of fact she ended by quelling any such concerns over democracy. I conclude that there is nothing is this video to raise doubts about the future of democracy due to any 'Christian Nationalism'. Furthermore, I don't think I really gathered that 'Christian Nationalism' was anything more than a scare word designation used by those opposed to political power garnered by Christian groups.

I suspect that the threat to democracy from Christianity or 'Christian Nationalism' is just another overblown leftist war cry voiced by @carolinablue34 with probably some personal hatred of Christianity thrown in.
 
Biden snubbed at the Queen's funeral.
So what if the Bidens were seated on the 14th row for the Queen's funeral? I doubt the arrangements were made based on any sort of favoritism.

Your bitterness over Biden defeating Trump is sweet music to my ears. 😛
 
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What is my "religion", exactly? I wanna know what religion and the religious policies I'm allegedly promoting.
You appear to worship absurdity.
Depends on the issue we’re talking about.
It sure doesn’t seem that way. You’re no different than @blazers and @prlyles in your political beliefs, although you do at least go through the pretense of trying to appear plural. But that’s all it is, a pretense. @strummingram is the worst but he’s just crazy as a loon. Even he doesn’t know what he really believes, he’s just likes to rail against religion and play devil’s advocate.
 
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You are losing a lot of money, about 10% plus a year, maybe 15%, regardless of whether you are invested, and that's due to inflation.
The old inflationary tax. It primarily affects middle to lower income people, not that Dems give a damn. They’re the ones causing it with their profligate spending. Basic economic principle, too much money chasing too few goods and services is the recipe for inflation. Another basic economic principle, you can’t spend yourself out of inflation, you have to stop printing so much money.

Many Dems know this but simply don’t care. They’re in power and they’re going to push their Green New Deal policies through while they are, the consequences for the American people be damned. Many people around the world are going to freeze to death this winter. Many, like myself, have been forced to un-retire and get a job to make ends meet and protect our meager savings. This, like the border crisis(even MSNBC is now calling it a crisis after denying it for 20 months), could have been averted.
 
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I'm not saying, or even implying, that "Christian" teachings/values/guidance/suggestions/preferences were not present in their thinking, or their philosophies. I'm sure they were. But, being kind, treating others as you want to be treated, being fair-minded, etc., aren't exclusive to Jesus. We're taught behaviors from the time we're born. I don't think I need a King In The Sky watching me, to know that lying, stealing, cheating, murdering, and just generally "being an asshole" will probably have consequences that I probably won't like. I don't need the reward, or prize, of eternal paradise-- later on-- to entice me to do what's "right" while I'm residing in this human form.

I was exposed to theologies/religion in abundance when I was a child. I am actually quite thankful for that experience. But, I've come to understand a different existence that goes way beyond what I was taught/told as a child.

I would never suggest the Founders weren't Christian or that Christianity played no role in their lives. Right wing folk often over state it. Left wing folk understate it.

But I think what is clear, is that the realms of government and religion were intended to be separate to a large degree. Decisions in government should not be made based on theocracy but what is most prudent for the nation in a given circumstance.
 
I would never suggest the Founders weren't Christian or that Christianity played no role in their lives. Right wing folk often over state it. Left wing folk understate it.

But I think what is clear, is that the realms of government and religion were intended to be separate to a large degree. Decisions in government should not be made based on theocracy but what is most prudent for the nation in a given circumstance.
See, we can agree on something.
 
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I would never suggest the Founders weren't Christian or that Christianity played no role in their lives. Right wing folk often over state it. Left wing folk understate it.

But I think what is clear, is that the realms of government and religion were intended to be separate to a large degree. Decisions in government should not be made based on theocracy but what is most prudent for the nation in a given circumstance.
Factually correct.

“Congress should not establish a religion, and enforce the legal observation of it by law, nor compel men to worship God in any Manner contrary to their conscience.” - Madison

"The subject of religion, a subject on which I have ever been most scrupulously reserved, I have considered it as a matter between every man and his maker, in which no other, and far less the public had a right to inter-meddle.” - Jefferson

"Government has no right to hurt a hair of the head of an atheist for his opinions. Let him have a care of his practices" - Adams
 
you know, the whole time I've been calling you the village idiot here I've reserved a bit of doubt since I only see what you post, and I don't really know you. Well congrats, you just removed any trace of that doubt. You are a mindless fool.
Haha! @prlyles likely went right over to his son's, the only one of the two that served voluntarily, for shooting lessons.
 
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