OOTB's Political Thread . ..

[strummingram]

Yeah, I'd much rather he die. An indictment would give the liberal pearl-clutchers too much ammunition against MAGA. So I'd rather a heart attack take Trump out. His legacy would be strengthened by something like that and the MAGA movement would strengthen also. That's good for most of America.

You might "rather he die"... but, that's not a solution to the problem. He's GOING to die, eventually. That will be good for America.

But, his genetics indicate a much longer life. And, when/if he loses the nomination, he's not going to just stop be a nuisance. When he runs as the agitator... which is his whole platform going back 7 years... and pulls votes from the R nominee, the Rs lose yet another election. Lindsey Graham was right many years ago. "We'll get destroyed and we'll deserve it."

 

[Heelicious]

But you still have a key problem even if DeSantis does win the nomination. Trump wouldn't go quietly in the night. He willingly concedes or backs down from no one.

The chances of him running as an independent are high if that happens.

yes - I fear this is true. At end of day DJT is primarily out for DJT. If this weren't true he'd have stepped away already. I was frankly a bit surprised he didn't announce this week as an Independent. That would have made it even more about himself than announcing under R ticket.

But yes he sure will run as an Indie if he doesn't get the R nomination, I fear. Because even at 78 or whatever and accomplishing quite a bit of financial success in life, he literally doesn't think anyone has ever lived or will ever live - that is half as good as him at any sort of topic or skill known to man. True definition of (unwarranted) ego / self-adoration, narcissism - and hatred, petty belittling of others proven to be smarter, better for country than him.

 

[strummingram]

I'm not sure he would run as an independent, because I don't think his ego would allow him to lose for the third time.

He's never lost, in his mind. That's the power of Norman Vincent Peale's magic. He was cheated. That's completely different. And, he can bullshit millions and millions of people into believing the same thing.

 

[Heelicious]

. He's GOING to die, eventually.

Wait - how do you know this? You make it sound like we all are going to die eventually. Crazy. DJT likely thinks he will never die. "so much LIVING, we'll get tired of living." /sarc

 

[bluetoe]

Ah, yes sending hundreds of vulnerable people without telling them where they are going, tricking them, and doing so for as a political stunt to appease their base.

Yeah, why would anyone have a problem with that?

it is nothing short of astounding what you are able to turn a blind eye to while you make your mountains out of little molehills. I can't tell if you are actually that myopic or if your tact is to play dumb so that you don't have to address real concerns seriously. Either way, it's funny and annoying at the same time.

 

[tarheel0910]

He's never lost, in his mind. That's the power of Norman Vincent Peale's magic. He was cheated. That's completely different. And, he can bullshit millions and millions of people into believing the same thing.

Ok. Well I guess I'll rephrase to his ego won't let him get cheated three times.

 

[gunslingerdick]

You might "rather he die"... but, that's not a solution to the problem. He's GOING to die, eventually. That will be good for America.

But, his genetics indicate a much longer life. And, when/if he loses the nomination, he's not going to just stop be a nuisance. When he runs as the agitator... which is his whole platform going back 7 years... and pulls votes from the R nominee, the Rs lose yet another election. Lindsey Graham was right many years ago. "We'll get destroyed and we'll deserve it."

Maybe. But maybe, just maybe, enough people are are fed up with the radical left agenda. And not just fed up with it and they want something different. Fed up to the point where they want to send a resounding message of "that shit is garbage." It happened before. It could happen again.

But I agree. What you say might come to fruition. So if that happens, I'll root for the total chaos that Trump could inspire. The establishment will get the message one way or another.

 

[strummingram]

Ok. Well I guess I'll rephrase to his ego won't let him get cheated three times.

I disagree 100%. Being cheated is perfectly fine... it's ideal, actually! He has made quite a healthy profit from being cheated, and, most importantly, he's gotten oceans of attention and exposure from being cheated. He'll continue to get that.

Apparently, a lot of the big money donors have bailed on him. I dunno if that's true or not and I don't know how much that matters. They own it, always have owned it. And, they can turn the faucet back on if it benefits them. What I found interesting was Ivanka bailed on him. I didn't expect that.

 

[blazers]

He can win the R nomination, but he'll lose again in the general. I just wish his internal numbers team would tell him this.

Since when has Trump listened to an internal numbers team?

 

[strummingram]

Maybe. But maybe, just maybe, enough people are are fed up with the radical left agenda. And not just fed up with it and they want something different. Fed up to the point where they want to send a resounding message of "that shit is garbage." It happened before. It could happen again.

But I agree. What you say might come to fruition. So if that happens, I'll root for the total chaos that Trump could inspire. The establishment will get the message one way or another.

Yeah... cause you're really suffering, I'm sure! lol

Just can't catch a break. Let it all burn because it's not acceptable to be an asshole to the people you spent your life denigrating for kicks. Your "normal" is in disarray so blow up the board.

 

[gunslingerdick]

At end of day DJT is primarily out for DJT. .

This is a line parroted by the left. And my response is always - "so what?" Why would that bother me if my life was also better off WHILE Trump was bettering his? Why would most Americans care if their lives were better off under Trump? It's just so bizarre. "No, I don't want extra money in my pocket because the President doesn't really care about me." I mean, WTF?

 

[bluetoe]

Calm down...

There's no strawman. You claim to not care and then go on and on showing you do care based on your prejudices, as always.

and you just continue with your strawman, completely and purposely ignoring the simple truth I provided. Why don't you try to be something? I think you could if you really tried and stopped being afraid of what would happen to an honest argument from you.

And you might want to try to understand the word PREjudice. What you say is pre-judging is nothing of the kind. I have gained experience from actual observation and interaction and I share those. It isn't prejudice if you have experience with it.

Prejudice, however, is a normal human trait. Even those who think it's some sort of fault have their own prejudices, even while claiming in true virtue-signalling form, that only others do. A great deal of the idiocy that is taking us down the path to looney land is the result of not understanding human nature, or acting like our very nature is some sort of miscue. You should try to distance yourself from such a mentality. Instead you wrap yourself up in it. I think you probably know better.

 

[blazers]

This is a line parroted by the left. And my response is always - "so what?" Why would that bother me if my life was also better off WHILE Trump was bettering his? Why would most Americans care if their lives were better off under Trump? It's just so bizarre. "No, I don't want extra money in my pocket because the President doesn't really care about me." I mean, WTF?

You STILL believe the pres has power over the stock market, national and global economics?

 

[gunslingerdick]

Yeah... cause you're really suffering, I'm sure! lol

Just can't catch a break. Let it all burn because it's not acceptable to be an asshole to the people you spent your life denigrating for kicks. Your "normal" is in disarray so blow up the board.

It is acceptable. I can be an asshole to whomever I want. I'm frequently an asshole to you and you just sit there and take it.

But you know that's not the point. This is just your way of trying to take a shot at me. And that's fine. I support you being able to do so regardless of what my skin color is or who I like to sleep with or how I worship. You can hate me and frankly, I kind of hope you do. Makes me feel like I'm on to something when I rankle the sheep.

But yeah, if we can't all subscribe to that, then bring on the Trump mayhem.

 

[strummingram]

Prejudice, however, is a normal human trait.

More of that "normal" shit. I should have been more direct. Your bigotry is part of why you care. I guess bigotry is a "normal human trait." It sure is for some humans, I guess. They seem to embrace it, nourish it and wield it/weaponize it. It doesn't mean it has to be normal for everyone.

ETA: But, if it is "normal"... do me a favor... stop pretending you don't care. Embrace your bigotry/prejudice/normal traits and own it. Stop with this "I don't care if people do whatever they want." You're lying.

 

[strummingram]

It is acceptable. I can be an asshole to whomever I want. I'm frequently an asshole to you and you just sit there and take it.

But you know that's not the point. This is just your way of trying to take a shot at me. And that's fine. I support you being able to do so regardless of what my skin color is or who I like to sleep with or how I worship. You can hate me and frankly, I kind of hope you do. Makes me feel like I'm on to something when I rankle the sheep.

But yeah, if we can't all subscribe to that, then bring on the Trump mayhem.

Just say "Yes, you're right"... it's easier.

 

[gunslingerdick]

More of that "normal" shit. I should have been more direct. Your bigotry is part of why you care. I guess bigotry is a "normal human trait." It sure is for some humans, I guess. They seem to embrace it, nourish it and wield it/weaponize it. It doesn't mean it has to be normal for everyone.

And every day the government tries to quell it, it only gets stronger. But the Dems are playing chess and they know this. That's why they're pushing it so hard - to make things worse so they can act like they're on the side of righteousness and save the day.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Just say "Yes, you're right"... it's easier.

Then I wouldn't get to be an asshole to you that I like being so much and that there's nothing you or anyone else can do about it.

 

[strummingram]

And every day the government tries to quell it, it only gets stronger. But the Dems are playing chess and they know this. That's why they're pushing it so hard - to make things worse so they can act like they're on the side of righteousness and save the day.

Yeah... that damned government is out to get you and all the other normal people.

 

[bluetoe]

Yeah, I'd much rather he die. An indictment would give the liberal pearl-clutchers too much ammunition against MAGA. So I'd rather a heart attack take Trump out. His legacy would be strengthened by something like that and the MAGA movement would strengthen also. That's good for most of America.

not to mention that Melania would then be back on the market, and she'd be loaded. With money, I mean.

 

[gunslingerdick]

Yeah... that damned government is out to get you and all the other normal people.

I didn't say that. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

I simply said that the more the government pushes the left's DEI stuff, the more pushback you will have. And I'm certainly pleased that's the case. You may not be but that's only because you're not smart enough to recognize that one day you'll be on the other side and it will be because people stood up to it now that you won't be forced to submit.

 

[Heelicious]

not to mention that Melania would then be back on the market, and she'd be loaded. With money, I mean.

LOL
+1
Stacked. Loaded. The whole package.

 

[strummingram]

I didn't say that. Why are you trying to put words in my mouth?

I simply said that the more the government pushes the left's DEI stuff, the more pushback you will have. And I'm certainly pleased that's the case. You may not be but that's only because you're not smart enough to recognize that one day you'll be on the other side and it will be because people stood up to it now that you won't be forced to submit.

DEI stuff???

 

[gunslingerdick]

DEI stuff???

Well, they call it Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. But it's far from diverse and inclusive. Maybe it's diverse on the surface. I mean, they can put 27 different races and genders into a room and call it diverse. But not in thought or values. What it really means is "if you are a part of a race/religion/gender/sexual preference that has been part of the power structure in the past, then you are a problem and we will include any and everyone except for you."

 

[blazers]

I wonder if running for Pres is also a way to try and cool down some of the never-ending investigations and charges.

 

[bluetoe]

More of that "normal" shit. I should have been more direct. Your bigotry is part of why you care. I guess bigotry is a "normal human trait." It sure is for some humans, I guess. They seem to embrace it, nourish it and wield it/weaponize it. It doesn't mean it has to be normal for everyone.

ETA: But, if it is "normal"... do me a favor... stop pretending you don't care. Embrace your bigotry/prejudice/normal traits and own it. Stop with this "I don't care if people do whatever they want." You're lying.

yeah more of that 'normal' shit, because normal is apparently something to be strictly shunned in the minds of the unhinged.

If you think I'm lying, you're just an idiot. But of course I came to that conclusion long ago. And it wasn't prejudice or bigotry that made me form such a conclusion. You truly are an idiot and I've experienced you being so. For example you take a word that by defintion defies subjectiveness, and you claim that it is fully subjective, just because you want that to be the case. That's because in your mind, words mean whatever you need them to mean for the sake of you seeming to have some credibility. Sadly, you have little if any, especially when you try to say that the word 'normal' somehow doesn't mean exactly that.

 

[strummingram]

Well, they call it Diversity, Equity and Inclusion. But it's far from diverse and inclusive. Maybe it's diverse on the surface. I mean, they can put 27 different races and genders into a room and call it diverse. But not in thought or values. What it really means is "if you are a part of a race/religion/gender/sexual preference that has been part of the power structure in the past, then you are a problem and we will include any and everyone except for you."

Soooo... change.

I've never heard of DEI. I'm sure it's a hot-button thing that needs to be monitored and added to the list of things to be afraid of and stop. If it really is a hollow, pretentious endeavor, then it probably won't actually last regardless of the fear conjured-up over it.

 

[strummingram]

yeah more of that 'normal' shit, because normal is apparently something to be strictly shunned in the minds of the unhinged.

If you think I'm lying, you're just an idiot. But of course I came to that conclusion long ago. And it wasn't prejudice or bigotry that made me form such a conclusion. You truly are an idiot and I've experienced you being so. For example you take a word that by defintion defies subjectiveness, and you claim that it is fully subjective, just because you want that to be the case. That's because in your mind, words mean whatever you need them to mean for the sake of you seeming to have some credibility. Sadly, you have little if any, especially when you try to say that the word 'normal' somehow doesn't mean exactly that.

I know you're lying when you claim "I don't care what people do..." and then follow that with a caveat based on your ... um... normal human traits. You do care, and you care a lot.

 

[bluetoe]

I know you're lying when you claim "I don't care what people do..." and then follow that with a caveat based on your ... um... normal human traits. You do care, and you care a lot.

as I said, you're just an idiot. Because I have said repeatedly that I did NOT say I didn't care in any general sense. But in the mind of an idiot, that needs to be ignored in order to harp on the nonsensical. Well, have at it. I'll just sit back and watch.

And BTW, I like how you mention some caveat but fail to identify and point it out . It's imaginary.

 

[strummingram]

as I said, you're just an idiot. Because I have said repeatedly that I did NOT say I didn't care in any general sense. But in the mind of an idiot, that needs to be ignored in order to harp on the nonsensical. Well, have at it. I'll just sit back and watch.

Just watch??? Say it ain't so!

 

[bluetoe]

Just watch??? Say it ain't so!

And BTW, I like how you mention some caveat but fail to identify and point it out . It's imaginary.

OK watching. Waiting...

 

[prlyles]

Maybe. But maybe, just maybe, enough people are are fed up with the radical left agenda. And not just fed up with it and they want something different. Fed up to the point where they want to send a resounding message of "that shit is garbage." It happened before. It could happen again.

But I agree. What you say might come to fruition. So if that happens, I'll root for the total chaos that Trump could inspire. The establishment will get the message one way or another.

I agree, people are fed up. They showed that in the mid term election…..

 

[Heelicious]

I've never heard of DEI.

Seriously? How is this possible? It has been woven in the fabric of every business, corporation, institution (military, legal, judicial), college, media org in the US. It’s akin to not having heard of BLM.

Or ESG - another virtue signaling social and environmental scam, which picks / favors woke companies but in reality serves as a cancer or a tax or unfair restriction on “unwoke” companies and investors and investment companies

 

[Heelicious]

I agree, people are fed up. They showed that in the mid term election…..

Glad you agree and saw the light. 6M more R than D votes in 2022.

Florida and Texas are perfect examples of where they said they are fed up with the woke BS, the open border, high crime BS, the COVID response oppression BS.

The leaders who spoke out and fought this BS were richly rewarded like we’ve never seen before.

 

[strummingram]

Seriously? How is this possible? It has been woven in the fabric of every business, corporation, institution (military, legal, judicial), college, media org in the US. It’s akin to not having heard of BLM.

Or ESG - another virtue signaling social and environmental scam, which picks / favors woke companies but in reality serves as a cancer or a tax or unfair restriction on “unwoke” companies and investors and investment companies

I've heard of BLM, never heard of DEI. I've never heard of ESG, either. Just a quick Google of both and I get a lot of university website affiliations.

 

[prlyles]

Glad you agree and saw the light. 6M more R than D votes in 2022.

Florida and Texas are perfect examples of where they said they are fed up with the woke BS, the open border, high crime BS, the COVID response oppression BS.

The leaders who spoke out and fought this BS were richly rewarded like we’ve never seen before.

Well, I’m glad you liked the outcome.

 

[Heelicious]

Well, I’m glad you liked the outcome.

I'm disconnected from the outcome. I really don't like how large and important politics and elections have grown to be, year-after-year, never ending cycle, including now weeks before - and after - election day .

I don't think elections were ever meant to be life and death to so many. Each person should be free to govern him/herself for the most part. Or be governed more at a state / local level, not so much at a federal govt behemoth level. The federal government trying to "fix" the stupid people or states that don't necessarily bend the knee to the federal government overlords.

Regardless of party, sadly most pols are the same - the uni-party of out of touch career politicians, never leaving, never accountable, getting rich and seizing power over individuals and states.

Federal government and all the agencies and bureaucracies and power-overreach - wasn't the intention.
The power in US Senate and US House of Representatives, and the lobbying, corruption - wasn't the intention.
The importance of who sat on the US Supreme Court, as a life or death battle - wasn't the intention.

I want government and elections to matter less. The end.

 

[prlyles]

I'm disconnected from the outcome. I really don't like how large and important politics and elections have grown to be, year-after-year, never ending cycle, including now weeks before - and after - election day .

I don't think elections were ever meant to be life and death to so many. Each person should be free to govern him/herself for the most part. Or be governed more at a state / local level, not so much at a federal govt behemoth level. The federal government trying to "fix" the stupid people or states that don't necessarily bend the knee to the federal government overlords.

Regardless of party, sadly most pols are the same - the uni-party of out of touch career politicians, never leaving, never accountable, getting rich and seizing power over individuals and states.

Federal government and all the agencies and bureaucracies and power-overreach - wasn't the intention.
The power in US Senate and US House of Representatives, and the lobbying, corruption - wasn't the intention.
The importance of who sat on the US Supreme Court, as a life or death battle - wasn't the intention.

I want government and elections to matter less. The end.

Can’t really argue with any of your post.

 

[pooponduke]

So there was nothing else to talk about in Sept & Oct than crime?

You act as if there was no other coverage. I guarantee there were plenty of stories on crime, inflation, the economy, the border, schools, covid, gas prices, the red wave, polls, etc. - all the election issues. Which is exactly what you would expect in the two month run up to the elections. I'm sorry that CNN and MSNBC didn't cover anything beside trump's movements, who he endorsed, who was or wasn't an election denier and crack developments coming out of the J6 committee. I guess you didn't realize there were other issues out there.

 

[pooponduke]

I'm disconnected from the outcome. I really don't like how large and important politics and elections have grown to be, year-after-year, never ending cycle, including now weeks before - and after - election day .

I don't think elections were ever meant to be life and death to so many. Each person should be free to govern him/herself for the most part. Or be governed more at a state / local level, not so much at a federal govt behemoth level. The federal government trying to "fix" the stupid people or states that don't necessarily bend the knee to the federal government overlords.

Regardless of party, sadly most pols are the same - the uni-party of out of touch career politicians, never leaving, never accountable, getting rich and seizing power over individuals and states.

Federal government and all the agencies and bureaucracies and power-overreach - wasn't the intention.
The power in US Senate and US House of Representatives, and the lobbying, corruption - wasn't the intention.
The importance of who sat on the US Supreme Court, as a life or death battle - wasn't the intention.

I want government and elections to matter less. The end.

Don't go and get all reasonable and originalist on us. Don't you understand that the government - big, federal government - is the only answer to everything?????