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Mail-in voting is the excuse used by the Republicans whenever they lose an election. That was recently followed by a last-ditch effort to cheat themselves to undo what was done on election day (e.g.: the Stop the Steal rally and January 6 riot).
 
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I am all for the idea of one person, one vote with everyone taking part in the process. That's the ideal. However, I happen to think that the opportunity to vote and the decision to act upon that possibility also carries with it a responsibility.

Even with the most mundane task of driving a motor vehicle on our public highways, one has to take a class, and then get tested to show they have the basic knowledge of the rules of the road. Once on the roadway, one has to follow these rules and demonstrate an ability and compliance with those many random situations that we encounter. Yet, to vote, our absolute highest civic duty, all one has to demonstrate is they are 18 and not disqualified by some other factor. Not exactly high level thinkers on the whole.

I don't have the answer as to how to administer things on a practical level, but people should have to know more than a person on a ballot has a D or a R after their name. A "fringe" voter, of either party or no party at all, is likely to be the least informed voter there is - they just don't care and make no effort to even try to understand what's at stake. Why make it easier for the least caring, least informed to vote?

Driving is a privilege not a right. Voting is only measurable method of the average person having a smidgeon of a say.

And I agree, it would be ideal if people did know more about issues and the people they vote for other than having a D or R next to their name. I'd love to change that by emphasizing public civic education in this country. But that's beside the point. The point is access to voting and the ability to exercise it. I do not believe in restricting that to an unnecessary degree.

If we want more informed voters, that's a different topic. But to use that as a way of saying we should ban the practice of mail in ballots isn't an acceptable reason. If you can show any evidence that says it's less safe or reliable, do so. Otherwise, it's more fearmongering by the usual suspects on the far right.
 
There is nothing 'corrupt' about mail in voting. Republicans and Democrats alike rely on it in multiple states.
there's nothing harmful or corrupt about a gun. But the guy using a loaded one aimed at your head and squeezing the trigger while robbing you is a different story. If you're going to protest the abuses of gun possession, own up to the abuses of mail-in voting.

If you want to control the abuse of gun possession by controlling guns, it only makes sense to control the abuse of mail-in voting by controlling mail-in voting.

I go along with reasonable control of guns, but I don't suggest doing away with them because there is no alternative to having a gun for legitimate purposes. There is an alternative to mailing in your vote.
 
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Driving is a privilege not a right. Voting is only measurable method of the average person having a smidgeon of a say.

And I agree, it would be ideal if people did know more about issues and the people they vote for other than having a D or R next to their name. I'd love to change that by emphasizing public civic education in this country. But that's beside the point. The point is access to voting and the ability to exercise it. I do not believe in restricting that to an unnecessary degree.

If we want more informed voters, that's a different topic. But to use that as a way of saying we should ban the practice of mail in ballots isn't an acceptable reason. If you can show any evidence that says it's less safe or reliable, do so. Otherwise, it's more fearmongering by the usual suspects on the far right.
Don't play that game. Almost everyone has "access to voting and the ability to exercise it." The question is how those individuals rank it amongst their individual lists of "To Do's". If it is important to a person, they make the time and show up. It worked that way for decades and decades. Heck, people used to travel for days to vote because it was that important to them. Showing up for in person voting is considered a burden yet people will wait for days to score the next release of the latest and greatest iPhone or concert tickets. Now, people complain if voting is more time consuming than filing out a piece of mail that they didn't even request. If you think that doesn't have the potential for abuse, I don't know what to say.
 
Once again it's proven that some of our poasters are either old, stubborn or intolerant. Or purposefully ignorant, corrupt, and willing to be duped.

Weird. Why did you think I was talking about you? lol. Seems someone is insecure.

Anyway, I knew the answer before I even poasted the choices.

young, confused, naive, AND purposely ignorant, corrupt and willing to be duped.
 
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Driving is a privilege not a right. Voting is only measurable method of the average person having a smidgeon of a say.

And I agree, it would be ideal if people did know more about issues and the people they vote for other than having a D or R next to their name. I'd love to change that by emphasizing public civic education in this country. But that's beside the point. The point is access to voting and the ability to exercise it. I do not believe in restricting that to an unnecessary degree.

If we want more informed voters, that's a different topic. But to use that as a way of saying we should ban the practice of mail in ballots isn't an acceptable reason. If you can show any evidence that says it's less safe or reliable, do so. Otherwise, it's more fearmongering by the usual suspects on the far right.
There's no legit chain of custody with mail in ballots and time and time again, they have been shown to enable fraud. Things like thousands mailed to an address that isn't even a home and all sorts of other shenanigans.
Same with electronic voting machines, which is why Europe doesn't use them.
 
One of the main reasons Florida was such a massive blow-out is that the state enacted measures to prevent election fraud.

Of course, DeSantis has done a great job and is very popular but winning by 20 points? Some of that likely has to do with stopping election fraud.
 
There's no legit chain of custody with mail in ballots and time and time again, they have been shown to enable fraud. Things like thousands mailed to an address that isn't even a home and all sorts of other shenanigans.
Please refer to post #45,482 above regarding Republicans using mail-in voting as an excuse whenever they lose.
 
Don't play that game. Almost everyone has "access to voting and the ability to exercise it." The question is how those individuals rank it amongst their individual lists of "To Do's". If it is important to a person, they make the time and show up. It worked that way for decades and decades. Heck, people used to travel for days to vote because it was that important to them. Showing up for in person voting is considered a burden yet people will wait for days to score the next release of the latest and greatest iPhone or concert tickets. Now, people complain if voting is more time consuming than filing out a piece of mail that they didn't even request. If you think that doesn't have the potential for abuse, I don't know what to say.

I'm not saying people are being oppressed. I'm saying that to ban mail in voting because it could 'potentially' be abused makes no sense, especially when no one has given any demonstrable evidence that it has been abused. It's a solution in search a problem.

And on the voting aspect of things, if we want a more engaged citizenry, we have to act like it. Maybe make Election Day a national holiday. Maybe instead of gutting public education, we invest more money into it, especially in rural and poor areas. We need to actually walk that walk. But until then, it's just pure anxiety to create a giant fuss around mail in voting.
 
You apparently think of yourself the same way. Congratulations. It’s the first time you’ve been correct.

Lol you think you're actually good at twisting my words around? Lame. Don't flatter yourself.

Hasn't there been mail in voting since the American civil war?

Yes, it allowed soldiers to vote at the front. But don't tell that to the pearl clutchers who deliberately distort the discussion.
 
Lol you think you're actually good at twisting my words around? Lame. Don't flatter yourself.



Yes, it allowed soldiers to vote at the front. But don't tell that to the pearl clutchers who deliberately distort the discussion.
I've got no issues with soldiers overseas voting by mail just not everyone else. Case closed. Good discussion.
 
Hey man, it's okay. It sucks being a miserable, middle aged, prick in Middle America who can't handle anything that isn't Southern, conservative, or white.

You have my pity.

Whatever dude. I’m not gonna get in a dick measuring contest with you.


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Well it's always cheating, unless you win. That's why your perspective on it doesn't matter.

I’ll admit that my guy has won by cheating before. In fact, I’d argue that every election that’s ever happened in this country at every level has had cheating occur. But yeah, I care less when my guy wins. That’s not much of a revelation.
 
I’ll admit that my guy has won by cheating before. In fact, I’d argue that every election that’s ever happened in this country at every level has had cheating occur. But yeah, I care less when my guy wins. That’s not much of a revelation.
They have had mail in voting at least since the 1864 election. Somehow they managed to keep it in place for 160 years. It must not be that compromised.

I guess it's difficult, when your ideas and perspectives are obsolete and archaic, to accept that you're losing elections because your ideas are obsolete and archaic. So, it's just as likely that you would cry about being cheated no matter what voting process was allowed, if you kept losing elections.

You got your supreme Court justices, so I would say sit back and enjoy that while it lasts.
 
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See, now you're just just losing it. Oh well, I guess that's what happens when you become a stale, 50 year old dinosaur.

No, you must not understand. Let me explain it. See I said that a teenage girl might think so. But then I said a 30 year old man that thinks he’s a teenage girl might as well. See because you’re the latter, not the former. Get it now?

I told you I was undefeated. Yet you chose to continue on.
 
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