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I will say, the mental disorder is probably a competitive disadvantage but does it outweigh the advantage of being a man competing against women?
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USA Powerlifting must let transgender athletes compete in women’s division after losing discrimination case
USA Powerlifting will be forced to allow transgender people to compete in its female competitions after losing a discrimination case earlier this week.
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This needs to be shared
The simple fact is the GOP is a cult of Donald Trump. The Dems gave the party every opportunity to dump him, but instead of doing that they stuck by him. Why? Because they are all scared shitless. They know their constituents would suck a fart out of his ass if he asked, so they can't step out of line.
The simple fact is the GOP is a cult of Donald Trump. The Dems gave the party every opportunity to dump him, but instead of doing that they stuck by him. Why? Because they are all scared shitless. They know their constituents would suck a fart out of his ass if he asked, so they can't step out of line.
Now adopting disadvantaged kids and trying to give them a better life is...(checks notes)...genocide? Lol.
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Minnesota legislator: 'I'm sick of White Christians' adopting Native American babies, continuing 'genocide'
A Democratic Minnesota lawmaker is facing criticism for posting online she is "sick of White Christians" adopting Native American babies because it "means the genocide continues."
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Let's argue about your level of insecurity. I think it's off the charts.
I would prefer we toss around your obsession with me but we can do this first.
Why do you think my level of insecurity is off the charts? State your case and then I will respond.
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Mostly peaceful.
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Atlanta's future police training facility 'Cop City' set ablaze
Atlanta law enforcement officials responded to the future Atlanta Public Safety Training Center where equipment was on fire and protesters were clashing with police.
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I just read the story but I don't see where it mentions anything about overturning an election or overthrowing our government. Did I miss something?
you might have missed the part about a cop getting shot in the stomach...but I doubt you did.
Trump is a cancer on the GOP and if they don’t get rid of him he will destroy the party if he hasn’t already.
Transition if you wnt to but your insurance company shouldn't have to foot the bill. I don't know of any other insurance company that covers cosmetic surgery.
Other than you exhibiting symptoms of your extreme TDS, what here were you actually sharing? Was there an article or news link or something that failed to show up on your post?
You don't think that attacking the police and/or police facilities (an illegal act itself), the government entity charged with the responsibility of upholding and enforcing the laws of the government, isn't a form of "overthrowing our government"?
I'm not saying they have to, but they should be able to if they so desire. There are bills in certain states trying to make that illegal. Not just surgery but anything.
Transition is not purely cosmetic. And many need insurance to be able to afford it.
It is cosmetic. You do it to change your appearance. That is what happens with cosmetic surgery. If you neuter your male dog does it change him from being your male dog?
Crude and idiotic remark aside, you don't need to go after insurance companies.
They shouldn't be forced obviously to cover what they don't want to, they shouldn't be banned from helping trans folk transition if they want.
More freedom for everyone. Win win.
This one is tough for me. I'm pro "be whatever the hell you want to be" when you're an adult. Want to be trans? Go for it. Want to get the surgery? Go for it.
However...
I'm not super comfortable with insurance premiums going up because they need to cover this surgery, which I consider to be very elective. I see it the same way with breast implants, which are mostly not covered by insurance (however, I am in favor of insurance covering them if a woman has had breast cancer).
Sure, you can say the insurance companies have a choice but if my insurance company decides to cover it and thus raise my premiums to cover their cost for it, then I'm against it. Most people who get insurance through their job also do not have the ability to shop for a new provider who doesn't cover trans transition.
I get both sides...I'm just not personally willing to pay more so insurance can cover what I see as an elective surgery.
Wait, since when are premiums going up because trans people get surgery? And does that make it lawful or right for a state to ban insurance companies from covering it?
Furthermore insurance isn’t just for surgery, it’s for hormones, blood tests, medical checkups, which are also needed. I feel like that’s getting lost here. Transition isn’t some vanity project to get big tits, it’s helping us feel comfortable mentally and mentally physically.
Where is the "Medical Need"? Pay for that stuff out of your own pocket. Government shouldn't be paying for it either.
Can't you argue breast augmentation is a way for certain women to feel comfortable mentally and physically?
Premiums go up when more risk is added to an individuals profile. When insurance companies add on more things that they will cover, every other premium goes up to offset that new potential risk that they now have for every single one of their consumers...since technically, any one of them could choose to transition.
Should a state ban insurance companies from covering it? I generally would say no to that simply because I don't think government should be too involved in banning things from healthcare. But do I want my insurance company covering it? I do not because it will mean at some point I pay for that new risk they've added.
My big argument for any type of ban on it would be that most Americans don't have a choice in insurance. You have to choose who your company provided coverage chose. So when I don't have a choice, I don't want any of them doing it in the sense that it could be my insurance that did it.
A lot of people can’t afford to. That’s the point. It saves lives. That’s the medical need.
how many would satisfy you? Is there an upper limit? None is what I prefer, but then I'm not a mindless anarchist bent on mayhem and destruction just for the sake of disrupting the status quo.
You know the type...they call the little skirmish at the Capitol an insurrection and an attempt to overthrow the governmentr while making excuses for the REAL malefaction. The worthless dregs, in other words.
I would argue there's a slight difference on the first point. Trans women often get breast augmentation just to have them, not to make them bigger, perkier, whatever. Cis women aren't going through an entire process to change their bodies, just one thing they already have. But as with many things, there's nuance to this and it depends often the circumstances of the individual.
Regarding premiums and surgeries. There's a few things here. The first is that most insurance companies already don't pay for what I would refer to as the major surgeries- the face, SRS, breast augmentation, etc. and if they do it's only partially not in full. I haven't met a single person who had their SRS covered by insurance which is why many go to other countries to get it.
Second, the vast majority of the population isn't trans. So it's not as if suddenly people will be jumping in line to get a bunch of surgeries covered. I don't think you have much to worry about with your premiums.
The issue is a state trying to ban ANY sort of coverage, surgical and non-surgical, the latter being the most crucial. There's a bill in Texas that was filed with that exact language and I have no doubt DeSantis's Florida will try something similar.
as per ususal, when the government sticks it's nose iwhere it doesn't belong, things that the private sector has successfully worked out become quandaries.
I don't understand how you can argue it's ok for insurance to not cover a woman's breast implants but it's ok to cover a trans person's gender surgery. You realize women also have to take medication before/after breast implants and that's not covered either. So we have a precedent for elective surgery and the medication not being covered. You still haven't explained why you think the two things I'm comparing are any different. They're both elective.
Yes, and I agree with this as I've said in previous poasts.
That's fair. However, that number is still going to go up. And if my premium goes up a dime over it then I'd be against it. Sorry man, just how I see it and it's mostly because I don't have the choice to go to another insurance provider. That's my key sticking point. If I don't have a choice then I understand the blanket refusal of it.
Again...I don't necessarily agree with a ban because I don't believe in government in medicine (at least of adults...I'm 10000000000% against any transition, surgical or non-surgical, in minors).
What I said was I could understand it because most (many? I don't actually know the % of people with employer provided insurance but I'm assuming it's high) people don't have the option to go somewhere else for their coverage.
I'm not saying one's okay and one isn't. I'm saying the insurance company should have the choice to cover it if they want to. Or not to. Without interference.
But is that number going up because of trans people getting surgeries? Has that been established? Is it going up at all? Trans men and women have been transitioning for years without this heightened scrutiny, it's only a big deal because it's become an easy punching bag to use in national media for the far right. I feel like you're under the impression you're going to be paying for another person's surgery and that's not the case.
Well, insurance premiums have gone up. So the answer to that question is categorically yes. They've gone up $700 a year on average in the past 20 years (it's something like 6x the inflationary rate).
Is it because of trans people? Surely not most of it, but it without a doubt has an impact.
Let's look at the stats:
The sex reassignment industry was $1.9B in 2021, $2.1B in 2022 and it's expected to be $5B in 2030. There was a 15% rise in breast or chest procedures in trans people from 2019 to 2020.
You think insurance companies don't know these numbers?
Again, I don't agree with a government ban...but I certainly understand why some would want it and my reasoning is mostly because I do not have the ability to choose my insurance provider.
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