Paraphrased: "Don't make any predictions/assumptions of future outcomes where there is a possibility of doubt"
Paraphrased: "Here's a prediction/assumption of a future outcome in which I'm assuming everyone feels the way I do"
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Paraphrased: "Don't make any predictions/assumptions of future outcomes where there is a possibility of doubt"
Paraphrased: "Here's a prediction/assumption of a future outcome in which I'm assuming everyone feels the way I do"
I’ve just been waiting for trump supporters to admit they don’t actually care about innocent people getting killed over an idiot decision made by trump. It’s obvious they don’t give a shit about the Kurds. Or anyone else for that matter. Being an asshole has become a point of pride for these people.
I'm not a Trump supporter. The point I was trying to make is that when it comes to voting for president no one, not just Trump supporters, are going to care. Voters aren't going to say to themselves, "well, I was going to vote for Trump but the Kurds." You're fooling yourself if you think that will happen.
The only reason, since Hoover in 1932, that a President hasn't been relected is because the economy went to shit their first term. I wonder if impeachment changes that.
Got impeached during his second term, never ran for reelection.
Yeah, like always the economy is the key. The wildcard being impeachment. It will be an interesting case study. If the economy is doing well and he doesn't get impeached, then I'm not sure if anyone currently running can beat him.
Well, there's 15 months left in Trump's 1st term. Let's see if the Dems can get their ducks in a row in that amount of time. Right now they're a little preoccupied putting their thumb on the scale of yet another election per Tulsi Gabbard.
I know you're not. I was agreeing with you about Trump supporters not giving a shit about the Kurds.
According to what I've learned about the field of public choice, the two primary factors are the economy and security, which is measured by the public confidence in the president's ability to manage a military conflict. This situation should cause that confidence to take a hit for any rational voters who aren't already committed to trump.
It's expected that record numbers will turn out to vote in the next election, and in one fell swoop you have narrowed down potentially 160 million Americans to one single mindset.
As uncboy points out, many Trump supporters probably don't give a shit if genocide is committed against these faceless American allies, of course most Trump supporters don't have any common sense to begin with. However, I'll bet there are moderate Republicans and more than a few independents who will be kicked in the gut watching those who fought alongside us against ISIS being wiped out thanks to Donald Trump and Donald Trump alone.
You're talking about like 0.1% of the voting population.
I like to think I'm more informed than 95% of Americans (as most of us in this thread are) and I honestly won't think twice about the Kurds when I go into a voting booth. Plus, I'm a moderate Republican that you mentioned.
Economy, economy, economy.
I don't know how you came up with that number but I would argue it's a tad bit conservative. And there's more to this than just the blood of Kurdish victims. Consider the 12,000 or more imprisoned ISIS soldiers who may be freed, essentially erasing much of the progress made over the last several years.
Remember, Trump made this decision after consulting one person, the President of Turkey. Talk about a loose cannon.
I think you're overestimating the knowledge and intelligence of the average American voter.
Which is kind of strange considering the president isn’t running the economy. And the president enabling genocide seems like a pretty big red flag.
You won’t catch me overestimating the intelligence of the average voter. But I thought you were saying that’s the issue that you’re going to vote on.
No, I said I won't be thinking about the Kurds when I step into the booth. Then said economy economy economy for the average voter.
For me, I vote usually Republican because fiscal ideals is my most important issue. I'm very much against a liberal plan that includes taking more of my money to give it to people who don't work as hard as I do.
That said, I'm also a history guy so when I see someone deface the election process and then the oval office, that really clouds my mind. So I left my Presidential ballot blank then I voted mostly Republican (although I actually really liked Hakeem Jeffries as my congressman so I voted for him) for things I didn't know as well (State Assembly people, etc.).
With that said, I voted for Obama in 2012. I thought he did a good job and deserved the second term. McCain before him. Then Bush before him.
I generally want young people in office (40-55). I think younger people are generally more willing to compromise which is vital to being President. I also think new blood is always good. My favorite President is the youngest of all time, Teddy.
Not sure what I'll do in 2020. Similarly to Hillary, I hate all the dem front runners so that's not an option. Probably leave it blank again.
Unless something weird happens, I'm probably going to write in Homer Simpson again. I feel obligated to vote for someone instead of leaving it blank.
Gotcha.
I’m not sure why people act like the GOP is the party of fiscal responsibility. Deregulating Wall Street doesn’t exactly scream fiscal responsibility. Neither does subsidizing firms by deregulating them and allowing them to externalize costs like pollution.
Also the whole “taking my money to give it to lazy people” bit is a tired cliche to me. People repeatedly ignore the data and fixate on the welfare queen caricature. Most people who take public assistance are on it for a short period of time. The lazy people benefiting from the social safety net are a minority.
I think it’s nice to get young people in office because in general they seem to be more in touch with current issues. But it’s not really an issue that I consider when I’m voting. I care more about the issues. If their platform reflects an outdated attitude then I’m not interested anyways.
@heelmanwilm is a good man, but he isn't "down the middle". At some point you'll have to prove that.
Oh, I don't care about trolls. I just respond to posts. You have to anger someone in order to troll them. Nobody can anger me.
I'm my own man. I respect almost everyone on this board. I don't hate anyone on this board. I'm just here to argue the facts. If you knew me in real life, you would understand. Nothing on this board is going to get me angry.
One of us is confused. First you say you're in the top 95% of American voters, but then you suggest the average voter equates the president to the economy. Which is it, are you above average or just pretending to be?
We agree there.
So, since Trump, and his family realized that Vietnam was an abomination the guys can't respect those who were forced to give their lives by the same "deep state" that he's fighting against? You, sir...are either a hypocrite, or a moron. I'll let you decide which it is.
Bro Trump wasn't fighting in Vietnam, WW1, WW2, Revolutionary War, etc. That guy isn't sacrificing his life for anything.
That's just an opinion. Opinions have no weight in an argument. You're a former "teacher", you should know better.
I have never in my life taught so not sure where you're making shit up from but not from me.
My bad, I thought you were a teacher. It still doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.
That's just an opinion. Opinions have no weight in an argument. You're a guy who stalks a UNC message board even though you don't like UNC, you should know better.
So, your defense of my response of your opinion is, "It's just an opinion?" At this point, I'm pretty happy that you weren't a teacher.
I'm pretty happy that you weren't a teacher.
That's just an opinion.
Hmm... that's not really evidence, but I'm still standing by waiting for you to prove me wrong.
I needed evidence to accept your resignation? I think not.
You aren't stupid, dude. Do some extra research. Sure, it means you have to expend some of your resources to watching videos you wouldn't normally watch, but it just comes down to what you want most. To get educated, you need to sacrifice other aspects of your life.
