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Deserved or not I’m pretty sure he didn’t nominate himself lol
Out of curiosity... Would you have volunteered to go to Vietnam if you hadn't been drafted? This isn't a gotcha question. I'm just wondering since you mentioned you were drafted.
I never realized just how deep the wound of Obama was until... well, every passing day, I realize more and more. I remember thinking that there was NO WAY the country would elect a black guy in my lifetime, and especially not one with an unorthodox name like Barack Obama. But, when it did... twice... holy mother! Look out! The backlash has been immeasurable. One term removed from it and you have a coup attempt!
No, I would not. I got drafted but stayed out of Vietnam. Got stationed in Germany.
nominated himself or not, we aren't still talking about an ex-president as if he's hiding under our bed.
Was the backlash impacting party leadership in the GOP or the masses (clowns on the ground)?
I ask cuz I don't think the same thing would've happened if Jeb Bush or almost anyone else had been nominated.
IMO the immediate driver of the coup was a person who refused to admit defeat. Trump world actually started "stop the steal" back during the 2016 repub primaries. The second was that same person surrounding himself with a-holes like Bannon, Navarro, Meadows, Jeffrey Clark, etc. Third was the fact that this person was so heavily influenced by hard-right media personalities (fox news, etc), it was positive feedback loop from crazy people in the backwaters of a qAnon chat-room straight into Trump's source of entertainment and ego-fueling.
If feel like mainstream GOP was trying to maintain establishment, not break it in exchange for a coup.
then throw in “hussein” for a middle name and it’s the trifecta…remember when some believed he could be a terrorist haha?
eta: some still believe he is a terrorist
He was a Muslim. And, you're right... the middle name! I never, EVER expected him to get the nomination, let alone win the election.
I agree that the coup aspect was due in large part- if not entirely- on the man who refused to accept that he was beaten. And, I agree that the other people and their resources played a huge role (Bannon, Fox, OAN). However, the legions of people who have their entire identity attached to the man were culpable. And, those people were all haters of Obama, Hillary, and whatever they perceived as the "establishment." Whatever comprised "the Right" was never the same after Obama was elected. They hated Bill Clinton, too. But, they REALLY hated Obama!!!
Historians oddly rank Jimmy Carter as a middle of the pack President which I definitely disagree with. I think he was one of our 7-8 worst and I view him and Biden similarly. Really good men that were pretty lousy Presidents and the country was generally not doing well during their time in office.
I'd rank Carter like 38-40th out of 45 Presidents, I'd imagine Biden will land in that area as well for me.
C-SPAN's Presidential Historians Survey pretty well matches up to most other rankings and has the following ratings out of 44 Presidents (Grover Cleveland was only counted once):
Lincoln at #1
FDR at #3 - This is funny since so many Republicans like to talk about what an awful President he was.
JFK at #8
Obama at #10
LBJ at #11 - See FDR note above
Clinton at #19
Bush 40 at #21
Carter at #26
Bush 42 at #29
Nixon at #31
Trump at #41
C-SPAN Survey on Presidents 2021
C-SPAN's Presidential Historians Survey pretty well matches up to most other rankings and has the following ratings out of 44 Presidents (Grover Cleveland was only counted once):
Lincoln at #1
FDR at #3 - This is funny since so many Republicans like to talk about what an awful President he was.
JFK at #8
Obama at #10
LBJ at #11 - See FDR note above
Clinton at #19
Bush 40 at #21
Carter at #26
Bush 42 at #29
Nixon at #31
Trump at #41
C-SPAN Survey on Presidents 2021
www.c-span.org
Thank you for your impressively irrelevant response!
How do most economists rank them? I suspect a bit different.
“It’s a mistake to take presidential rankings as anything other than entertainment, however. They’re the presidential history buff’s version of sports debates such as who is the greatest NBA star, Michael Jordan or LeBron James, and whether Tom Brady is the greatest football player of all time. When taken lightly, they’re a way to connect with people who share a passion. But when taken seriously, presidential rankings mislead more than they enlighten.”
www.ucf.edu
Presidential Rankings are a Game — not History
Surveys lead people to focus on small differences between presidents rather than the major challenges of their times.
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Using the same C-SPAN Presidential Historians Survey, but this time for Economic Management, these same Presidents rank in the following order:
Lincoln at #1
FDR at #3
Clinton at #5
JFK at #7
Obama at #9
LBJ at #18
Bush 40 at #23
Nixon at #24
Trump at #35
Bush 42 at #36
Carter at #38 - Note your boy ranks only three spots higher economically than Carter.
C-SPAN Survey on Presidents 2021
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Using the same C-SPAN Presidential Historians Survey, but this time for Economic Management, these same Presidents rank in the following order:
Lincoln at #1
FDR at #3
Clinton at #5
JFK at #7
Obama at #9
LBJ at #18
Bush 40 at #23
Nixon at #24
Trump at #35
Bush 42 at #36
Carter at #38 - Note your boy ranks only three spots higher economically than Carter.
C-SPAN Survey on Presidents 2021
“It’s a mistake to take presidential rankings as anything other than entertainment, however. They’re the presidential history buff’s version of sports debates such as who is the greatest NBA star, Michael Jordan or LeBron James, and whether Tom Brady is the greatest football player of all time. When taken lightly, they’re a way to connect with people who share a passion. But when taken seriously, presidential rankings mislead more than they enlighten.”
Presidential Rankings are a Game — not History
Surveys lead people to focus on small differences between presidents rather than the major challenges of their times.
Looks like someone is scared to talk about the current trainwreck and is doing their best to sidetrack the discussion. But that's none of my business. I'm just a casual observer of people with TDS. I don't have any personal experience with it.
Actually I didn't even watch the video you posted. I suppose I was responding more to dadika's post than yours.
Uh oh. Looks like Brandon may be moving down in the Presidential rankings.
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CNN analysis: Biden facing 'moment of truth' this week with release of critical economic data
A CNN analysis warned Monday that the Biden administration was facing a "moment of truth" this week as several economic reports are set to be released.
I think this is actually a pretty strong insult to Carter. No doubt that Joe deeply loves his family, but I'm not so sure that he's a good man in many other respects. And, while I don't hold Carter in very high regard as to his presidential ranking, I do think he was or at least tried to be a good man. That's a quality that's been in short supply with most of the nominees in recent times.
Lol. You have absolutely no control over your TDS. You should think about suicide. Apparently you’ll never be free.
Thank you.
Joe Biden is a corrupt, self- serving piece of shit who has never worked a day in his life and is a career politician who has profited off being a servant to the people. I was gonna leave it alone because I was fearful of some mundane historical lecture from our resident self-proclaimed history buff. But I’m glad I wasn’t the only one looking sideways at that comment. My god.
Biden is the epitome of an establishment politician who has literally achieved nothing in his 40-50 years of public service except pad his wallet and get his family members involved with American adversaries. Jimmy Carter was no Joe Biden.
How is Joe Biden corrupt?
(Please don't mention hunter's laptop & China without mentioning that Joe is pretty much following Trump's policies regarding China).
(Please don't mention hunter's laptop & China without mentioning that Joe is pretty much following Trump's policies regarding China).
loved this because this is exactly what I was trying to get across about Biden well before he was elected. He's a nothing, just a jerk playing politician for fun and profit. He was in over his head before he even got in the pool. He was called out by his peers for being a sham a number of times when he was in the Senate. The idiots here on the board that harp on Trump playing his base for all it's worth aren't even aware of the giant hook in their mouths that Biden and the dems put there. The irony is profound.
I posted about the $500,000 fence that we put up around his vacation home in the name of security, while these dolts chanted 'fences don't work'. Crickets. The irony is still lost on them, I'm sure. No president has ever taken office for more personally self-serving reasons than Biden has, and that's saying something with the Clintons still in the rear view mirror.
Trump has a crazy-strong ego but he doesn't try to pull the wool over anyone's eyes about it. That ego does not mean that he was more about himself than he was the country. The things he tried to accomplish were of benefit to all of us.
On the other hand, although I was no big fan of Jimmy Carter, I always defend him for the good qualities he had. He was honest, he was open and communicative, he had the best intentions, and he was humble and down-to-earth. He was more responsible for embroiling the Soviets in their Afghanistan boondoggle than Reagan was. That makes him more responsible for the collapse of the Soviet Union than Reagan was, yet Reagan gets the credit because unlike Carter, Reagan didn't mind patting himself on the back in a highly visible way.
Wear bluejeans in the White House? Fireside chats (or fireside twitters) Yeah, HELL yeah, give me that guy for President again...just don't let him be a liberal this time.
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Well I can think of a few better ways to describe Biden other than moron.. clueless.. potato head.. 24/7 fog..
White House announces sale of additional 20 million barrels of oil from Strategic Petroleum Reserve
The Department of Energy is issuing a notice to sell 20 million additional barrels of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, as part of an effort to lower gas prices.
coming from an idiot, that's actually quite a compliment. Thanks, idiot.
White House announces sale of additional 20 million barrels of oil from Strategic Petroleum Reserve
The Department of Energy is issuing a notice to sell 20 million additional barrels of oil from the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, as part of an effort to lower gas prices.www.foxbusiness.com
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Without a doubt the dumbest VP in American history.
Just awesome.
