When the FAA has a better strategy than Congress to end the shutdown....
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Who else do they have except Trump?
This can easily be twisted into Trump being a victim.
This can easily be twisted into Trump being a victim.
He loses his base in 2020 if no wall. Absolutely. He has until the primaries start to get it funded. They don't care how it gets done though, so if he uses State of Emergency funding to accomplish, they will be fine with that.
I agree with 0910 though that if he gives in now, he won't be able to negotiate for much of anything again.
So the polls about the wall before trump were accurate but after hes elected are innaccurate? Dang the mental gymnastics must be exhausting.
Sure. The "issue" polls before the election were out there to show HillDawg what she should be talking about. Any polling done now is to discourage Trump's base.
Just ask yourself what you would do if you were a liberal democrat running the NYT.
Or i could ask myself how would the numbers of a conservative polling service compare to the uh “liberal democratic” ones
Rasmussen (con)- 37% favor wall
Pew-38%
Assoc press- 28%
Wash post- 37%
Nyt- 38%
Quinnipiac- 38%
I see a trend.
Strangely enough fox news has never published their polling data. And you know they have some.
I’m glad fed emplpyees are gettin paid now. Whatever the machinations or who’s gonna claim “victory” (actually we all lost) its the right thing to do.
Bump. One of the organizations listed as having little discernible bias is the Christian Science Monitor. I’ve mentioned them before as a good source for news, even if they’re not a 24-hour organization.
This article is a great example of their work. It’s a local story about the Covington Catholic students incident and its impact on the community. They present information from all perspectives and don’t push you to any conclusion. I wish more news outlets reported stories this way.
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Polit...-in-a-town-the-whole-country-is-yelling-about
DThe president’s supporters imagine he is a manly man and a master negotiator ... but he has been outmaneuvered and outmuscled at every turn by a 78-year-old grandmother from San Francisco.
I agree with some of this but the link you posted is to an opinion piece, not a news story. Like I’ve said before, most major media are mostly trueful reporting news. Where they go off the rails is in their interruption of the news.
Please cite an example of an opinion from the article.
Don’t get me wrong. I think it is a well balanced article but I don’t consider it “news”. For example “Congress passes xyz bill”, that’s news. What follows that explains why the bill is good or bad is opinion, not news.
The article most certainly is news. Just because it doesn't meet your narrow definition of the word doesn't automatically mean it's an opinion piece.
news
1 a: a report of recent events
// gave her the good news
b: previously unknown information
// I've got news for you
c: something having a specified influence or effect
// the rain was good news for lawns and gardens— Garrison Keillor
// the virus was bad news
2 a: material reported in a newspaper or news periodical or on a newscast
// listened to the news on the radio
b: matter that is newsworthy
// The layoffs were big news in this part of the state.
I agree, that it was not heavily biased or opinionated.
It will never happen, but I’d like to see media NOT tell us what party a politician is from. Just tell me that so-and-so is the senator from NC, or the mayor (of OOTB) and then interview or quote them. Let people hear what they have to say, and then decide if you agree or disagree with them. Because I bet about 80% (or more) will immediately dismiss their opinion if they are from the “other” party.
All I can say is it works for me. It allows me to know whats going on but have my own opinion about it.
Kudos to the fed workers at laguardia for ending this partisan shit storm. Shut down one of the busiest airports in the us and shit gets done! Its prob safe to aassume that threats of another shut down are pretty hollow now that the workers, who dont seem to like not getting paid to enforce a campaign promise the majority of americans DONT WANT, know how to effectively end it.
Agreed, and that would be nice. What would be even nicer is if there were no more parties for them to be a part of in the first place. Let people like/dislike a politician on their stances on issues, not on the letter (R or D) next to their names.
I'll vote for him in 2020 just to see the tears. It isn't like we're going to have a good choice regardless, so I might as well get some entertainment.
I guess now we’re gonna find out there’s a national emergency that requires the wall being built. Another caravan is on the way! Btw noone ever answered on where that first caravan is now. Can we assume they’re already in the us committing terror acts and raping white girls since there was no wall to keep them out?
You’re referring to straight or hard news. If that’s what you’re after, just bookmark Reuters and AP.
I'm sure that some of them are in the US. I rather doubt they are committing crimes, but they are sucking up federal funding, which is almost as bad, IMO.
Explain the process that this occurs?
Make it over the border and... show up at some federal location and collect your freebies? I want to know exactly how people, who don't have identification that confirms they are US citizens, are able to "suck up federal funding."
I found a littler of kittens and I had to provide proof of living in this COUNTY, in order for the humane society to accept them. I realize that is not remotely the same, but that's kinda the point. I want to know how these people are draining the federal granaries and money pool by just being here.
I think the phrase “suck up federal funding” may be a bit over the top, but they are almost assuredly benefitting from funds they aren’t contributing to. They’re creating wear and tear on the infrastructure of the country (roads, bridges, etc.), they require the protection of law enforcement, if they go to a hospital and don’t have insurance - they’re still getting care, and several other instances. Some of this is probably funded at the federal level, some at the state/local level, so I can’t say exactly where the funds they’re using are coming from.
Now, to say they pay no taxes isn’t really correct either because they’ll still pay sales tax when they buy things. If they rent an apartment, their landlord probably passes through the real estate tax to them, etc. But if they have incomes, they’re not paying taxes on that, no excise taxes, etc. So they’re not paying their fair share either.
Well... "a bit over the top" is almost accurate. From what you went on to describe, which sounds likely, they aren't sucking-up much at all. I'm not trying to say that excuses them from illegally coming here. It doesn't do that at all. But, there's sure as hell no dire emergency, or national threat from these people coming here. It's definitely not some plague, or threat to national security... not in any traditional sense.
No one pays their fair share by, at least, someone else's measure.
That's not what Trump will use to justify it as a national emergency. He will use crime numbers and drug smuggling to try and justify it.
Not that many businesses are paying people under the table anymore. Too much risk. A lot of illegals have fake documents. Interestingly enough, they are paying towards Medicare and SS that they’ll never draw on. It somewhat offsets the money they send back home.
I could get behind a small tax on all international wires for non-business transactions. Outflow of money is a bit of a problem (not major).
Everything the government does should have to be justified. It's hard for me to believe someone wouldn't agree with that.
That's not going to make a dent unless the government makes cash, gift cards and sending mail illegal.
Some federal programs serve people in need, regardless of their immigration status. These programs include:
- School meal programs (free or reduced-cost lunches)
- Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC)
- Head Start
- Various in-kind emergency services
Yeah, I'm sure they just let them starve to death and live in a cardboard box. There are all kinds of articles out there talking about how much illegals cost this country every year. Take care of the citizens first.
Or you can continue to give the middle finger to US citizens in order to prop up foreigners. That seems to be going so well. The immigrants will be the one to pay the price, not the rich people who want them in this country.
That's not really a very good argument, but at least you tried to justify it.
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