Orlando Night Club Shooting
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Imagine if history went farther back than 60 years. Imagine that other problems existed before the ones you mentioned. If you do that you will finally realize that the problem is the person that commits the crime. Continuing to place blame on other things is a waste of time and energy. And yes, what you are doing is placing blame.
Which is it? You can't have it both ways....either they "live for it" or they would be peaceful if would stop messing with them. It can't be both.
I was being facetious. It was making fun of your Armageddon scenario if American troops and occupation is gone.
It's not going to happen because too much money and resource, and power over it, is at stake.
But, it will continue to motivate people who want revenge and retribution. So, expect more.
Strum, my money is on they won't answer that one. They cannot even imagine it because they're too busy pounding their chests!! We are wasting our time trying to illustrate what doing things different might bring. They don't want peace because they see peaceful as weak, when in fact, it's the opposite. Fighters are weak... Weak minded, weak spirited. You can't change their minds and you certainly can't get them to at the very least open them.
They will gladly fight you if you show up and fvck with them. They'll fight like the Viet Cong. It's their home.
You'll find that 99% here have no interest in empathy. They want revenge. And the cycle will go on and on.
Most of them are just living room jingoists.
It takes extreme emotions to radicalize someone, no matter what their religion/philosophy. Every time we carry out indiscriminate drone strikes, we kill innocent women and children. Those women and children have brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, sons, uncles, ect. And they end up fighting for ISIS because they want revenge. It's an endless feedback loop, and that's exactly the way the private defense industry wants it.
An AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle. You could "spray" just as many rounds from a 9mm handgun in the same amount of time, and they would do a lot more damage.
Who the fvck are you talking about??? Who gets the blame for you?
Iraq wasn't even a country in 1803. It was a country after WWI, 1932 even. The carving-up of the Middle East in the 20th Century has been a MAJOR variable in this whole thing.
Had our policy been what you and strum want it to be these people would still exist. If you guys want to continue to ignore reality and pretend that we are to blame that's fine, you certainly have that right.
My point was that you keep talking about a time period that doesn't make sense. These types of problems and other problems have existed since the beginning of time. The individual is the cause. Responsibility shouldn't fall on another person's shoulders. By the way, not once have I advocated for war in this thread.
The guy that shot-up the club? yes, that is on HIS shoulders. That was his choice. I thought we were discussing the motivation, what it stems from, and the likelihood of others to act-out in the same way. I'm not blaming these individual acts directly on American foreign policy, or anyone's foreign policy. These people have to choose whether or not they want to go beyond what happened in 1953, 1979, 1991, 2003, etc. This country, the WORLD, offers immense potential, possibility, and endless prosperity if you want it. If you prefer to hold a grudge and be disruptive and kill people, then there are consequences.
But, americans have got to own-up to the fact that when our government perpetrates murders of innocent people, there will be consequences!
So should the United States be held accountable when a drone strike kills a civilian in the ME? Our military committed the act.
you don't think a handgun would do it if he/they aren't armed with that rifle?
i'm not deciding for anyone, just a simple question...and please don't draw parallels to a "need" that i may have.
but since you did, i need to drink chocolate milk after i workout, cool with you?
Are you hinting toward banning rifles like the AR-15? Or, that we should do that?
The USA can't win a war that is controlled by cesspool politicians in Wash., DC. This is why we need to elect Trump. He won't micromanage the war. Right now the muslims are the only ones waging war. The USA is just playing at it. Silly libs are convinced that if we just love them enough they will love us back and will stop killing us.
Muslims civilians, most of them anyway, probably giggled and applauded what happened in Orlando.
What if these idiots had a nuclear weapon? They wouldn't hesitate to use it.
Fighters are weak? Just wow.
Easily said from behind your keyboard in the air conditioning and high speed internet.
There are many thousands of Marines, Rangers, and Seals that would most strenuously disagree with you, and would resent the manner in which you easily dismiss their many sacrifices to maintain the freedoms you so blithely enjoy.
the sad thing is chick is just so enamored of strum's ridiculous azz philosophical shat and follows behind him like a little puppy.
Mos def. Choc on.
The need rests with the individual. Kind of like beauty being in the eye of the beholder.
I think we will eventually have to consider the possibility that we will be engaged in a war with Radical Islamic Terrorist from city to city, block to block, house to house... Sad, but it seems that is where we are heading, and I want the good guys to have the means to win.
Ahhh.
I don't advocate banning the rifles. I don't think the weapons are the culprit. I also don't wanna see another illegal market for firearms that exists for drugs.
ISIS didn't order that killing in Orlando. That dude hated homosexuals, was bipolar and had a prior history of being an angry racist. He may have thrown the ISIS reference in for sh*ts and giggles to piss of the coworkers who had taunted him about being a Muslim.
They are shooting up Florida???
From what I've been able to gather, it was one guy. This guy was a homo-hater first and Muslim second. He was apparently bi-polar and all kinds of messed-up.
Well, just like Christians, you have some Muslims that couldn't care less and realize that it doesn't matter. Then there are others from both religions that want them dead.
Banning the rifles wouldn't do any good. Its just a semi-automatic rifle in a tactical casing. It isn't even close to a military grade assault rifle. No burst, or fully automatic firing, and it fires a .223 round which is not really designed for killing anything larger than a coyote. A lot of the people who were injured but survived in the shooting would probably be dead if he had been firing a larger round. They're also not easily concealed, unlike handguns.
Yeah and so do christians...
How do you know he's a "Christian"?
There is nothing that can be done about any of this and it has nothing to do with gun laws, Muslims, Trump, fear or Gary-7.
Bad people do bad things. Life's not fair.
Bad people do bad things. Life's not fair.
How do you know the guy that shot-up the gay club was Muslim? Just like the guy in the photo- they SAID so! Or. they claimed to be.
he could be gay...don't be shocked
and that's bs you're spinning about the ar15...it's an assault rifle for f sake...you guys know it.
and that's bs you're spinning about the ar15...it's an assault rifle for f sake...you guys know it.
