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Ian Steere's dad said Steve Robinson has talked to him and said UNC likes his game and will be watching. Ian is a UNC fan too. Steere's recruitment is really blowing up. Google his dad Noah Steere.
 
I could've sworn Steere was 2019.

Hope to see him climb the rankings soon. Currently at 175 Composite.
 
Ian Steere is blowing up recently and loves UNC. He was just offered by KU and others. Gotta think Roy gets more involved soon and hopefully offers.
Baby Meeks.

With Roy all over these Hybrid-4s the question may be about room for another Big in the '18 class? He sure is blowing up though and I'd love to have another wide-body.
 
Baby Meeks.

With Roy all over these Hybrid-4s the question may be about room for another Big in the '18 class? He sure is blowing up though and I'd love to have another wide-body.

At first i was a bit worried regarding the lack of big offers in 2018, but it is a weak class for bigs, as it's been pointed out.

I imagine Roy must be planning to have the guys from 2017 be ready to go ASAP. Assuming Bradley's gone next year, that gives us space for at least 1 other player, and I'd imagine that could be Steere. Besides, 2019 is a heck of a lot better for landing a "burger boy" in the top 100 who can immediately contribute than in 2018. In some rankings, the 2nd Best Center is David McCormack.

Until then, we'll probably be a bit thin in the big department. Even with Bradley next year.
 
There are several bigs we are watching ahead of Steere.
Naz Reid, Moses Brown, and possibly Bol Bol
 
sk I have family in Greece.

I heard a week or so ago he was on our radar, but I'm not quite sold on his game yet.
*Not saying that couldn't change*

Oh cool, I am about an hour and a half south of Greece. There is some decent talent here in Upstate New York, glad to see Roy showing interest in this region. Usually Syracuse cleans up, although Indiana landed Thomas Bryant a couple years ago, which might help them in this one.
 
Roy's been behind all the "better" coaches/recruiters/people/insert category for years.............yet I sure did enjoy the last two FFs!

AND I sure anticipate enjoying next season's ACC Championship and deep tourney run!
AND I sure do enjoy the type of kids that represent my beloved U!

But if some don't enjoy these things, then have at it!
 
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Roy's been behind all the "better" coaches/recruiters/people/insert category for years.............yet I sure did enjoy the last two FFs!

AND I sure anticipate enjoying next season's ACC Championship and deep tourney run!
AND I sure do enjoy the type of kids that represent my beloved U!

But if some don't enjoy these things, then have at it!
Nothing but a comment about 3 prospects. I love how some on the board go straight into "Drama Queen" mode at the possibility of a discussion.
 
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I love how the children I supervise and "adults" on here resort to name calling when their intelligence deserts them!

I responded directly to the notion that Roy is behind. This same notion has been out there for years. To me refuting a point is "discussion", but maybe you can explain exactly how I am allowed to "discuss"
 
Not trying to turn you guys' thread into a Duke recruiting thread.........but figured I would mention that Duke offered Emmitt Williams since he was previously mentioned in this thread. I really like this kid and will be interesting to see if UNC offers as well.
 
Ian Steere will be a Heel if we want him to. Kid is always wearing UNc gear in High Point. Combo of Meeks and May. Kid has a good motor.
 
Kinda sorta wish we didnt get 3 bigs for the 2017 recruiting cycle. Would absolutely love to have Steere on the team.

BTW: I'm not trying to say Roy doesn't know what he's doing, yada, yada, yada... Just my opinion.
 
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Steere is much better than 2 of the 3 we have coming in right now, specifically the Manley kid.

As heels05 said, this kid will be a high 4 star, possibly creep into low 5 star status on a few of the recruiting pubs with another big summer.
 
I think I can say this without getting banned from disclosing Premium information.

There are three AAU circuits (Nike, Adidas and Under Armour). Each of these circuits have websites and they have the best high school freshman - juniors playing throughout the summer. Roy and all the UNC coaches go and watch some of the games. The same for all other college basketball programs. In fact, if you go to the AAU websites may be able to get some valuable information on the players and the coaches that are watching them. Umm!

Now, let me ask you a question. If you have the best 500 freshman-juniors playing on one of these teams (over 100 teams) what do you think are the chances that at least one of the UNC coaching staff has seen all of these 500 players if there are over 2,000 games played over the summer?

Bottom line, if there is a good player out there, Roy knows about him. There are many other factors that go into why Roy will recruit or not recruit a player. The reasons are numerous! How many of you knew Roy was recruiting Whitman (the 5th year transfer)? Bingo! None of us. In fact, no one on the Premium site knew it!

I rest my case. Knowlege is powerful. As the late great John Wooden said " It is better to remain silent and appear ignorant, than to open your mouth and loose all doubt"
 
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Kinda sorta wish we didnt get 3 bigs for the 2017 recruiting cycle. Would absolutely love to have Steere on the team.

BTW: I'm not trying to say Roy doesn't know what he's doing, yada, yada, yada... Just my opinion.

Ive said this for months now. Bringing in 3 bigs who will most certainly be here 3 and more than likely 4 years and all three are projects is an interesting move to say the least. One that Im highly skeptical of.
 
Not trying to turn you guys' thread into a Duke recruiting thread.........but figured I would mention that Duke offered Emmitt Williams since he was previously mentioned in this thread. I really like this kid and will be interesting to see if UNC offers as well.

I have been hoping Roy would offer him, I think he will.
 
Bottom line, if there is a good player out there, Roy knows about him. There are many other factors that go into why Roy will recruit or not recruit a player. The reasons are numerous!

" It is better to remain silent and appear ignorant, than to open your mouth and loose all doubt"

Jackpot!
 
Kinda sorta wish we didnt get 3 bigs for the 2017 recruiting cycle. Would absolutely love to have Steere on the team.

BTW: I'm not trying to say Roy doesn't know what he's doing, yada, yada, yada... Just my opinion.
Ive said this for months now. Bringing in 3 bigs who will most certainly be here 3 and more than likely 4 years and all three are projects is an interesting move to say the least. One that Im highly skeptical of.
Steere is much better than 2 of the 3 we have coming in right now, specifically the Manley kid.

As heels05 said, this kid will be a high 4 star, possibly creep into low 5 star status on a few of the recruiting pubs with another big summer.
In my case "you preaching to the choir" , in a lot of people's case you are wasting your breath.
 
I'd imagine our interest in Hagans (and vice versa) is dependent on Felton and White (early departure) and Woods (development). If Felton and White stay or Woods develops, I can't see him coming here. If one or both leave and Woods stagnates, he could step right in.
 
Ian Steere will be a Heel if we want him to. Kid is always wearing UNc gear in High Point. Combo of Meeks and May. Kid has a good motor.
I am afraid we might not offer him because of the glut of project big men , but I would love to have him. I heard him described as very athletic and can get up and down the court very well for his size , but not very skilled.

This is his dad , Noah. We could use him to keep the refs straight.

 
Adding a 4th project big man does seem like an iffy proposition. Steere might be the best of the projects (him or Brooks), but we're close to strangling our ability to get a top-tier 4/5 talent.
 
Maybe I am beating a tired drum but really guys, we pay way to much attention to a kids star rating and not nearly enough to traits a kid may have that allows him to excel in our system. Both Wake and GT had 3 star freshmen that played like 5stars are expected to. Duke has just had back to back classes with a 5 star kid that played like you expect a 3star to play? I would suggest even Tony played more as I would expect a 4 star to play, even Justin as a frosh played ore like a 4 star guy IMO. Not a knock on any of those kids just suggesting the star rating deal is a bit over blown.

The star rating system is a good starting place, it is a try to project potential, but there is just so much any system just can not factor in. It is a good starting place but it is not a great ending place for a decision of who we go after and who we don't. Analogy for me is the star system is an attempt to gauge the size of the dog in the fight, the rest of it is the size of the fight in the dawg and the star rankings don't reflect that as accurately. The later including factors like how a kid gells with the kids alreaaKEdy at a school, how he adapts to the coaching at the school he picks, is he a early or late bloomer, how strong is his will to succeed, how does his body develop, does his skills track with his body growth both height as well as strength from college weight training, and much more.

Example, a poster made a point yesterday about Hamilton, that of all the things he does well, he is not showing a knock down jump shot in AAU ball. The kid is a 70+ free throw shooter, well maybe all he needs is to have his shot selection worked on to see him jumpers begin to fall and yet the fact they have not yet makes him less than a 5 star, shot selection can be worked on, no shooting feel is a bigger problem (aka JP). So do we get down on Hamilton just because his jumpers are not falling resulting in his being a 4 star and not that coveted 5 star ranking? Not me...
 
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I don't really care about star ratings aside from the impact on program perception and prestige. I watch as much "film" (usually highlights, unfortunately) as I can, I look at stats and try to judge them in context, and I look at measurables (height/wingspan/weight) when they're available. I draw the best conclusions I can given the available information. With that said, I know my personal evaluations are far from infallible; if a player has significant exposure and there is a consensus on his ranking, that's worth something.

I don't care that Coby White is ranked 48th in the 247 composite, for example. He's clearly one of the best players in the country, both in HS and as a college prospect. He's getting exposure now and will certainly shoot up in the rankings, but that won't change my opinion of him.

I'm low on Manley, for example, because I see a lot on film that I don't like. I see good hands, a big frame, and solid touch. But I also see really slow feet, way too little rim protection for a guy his size, way too many of his shots blocked (because he can't really elevate and because he brings the ball into the defender), questionable effort/energy, and most importantly a disturbing lack of overall impact/dominance for a guy whose supposed to contribute to a blue blood. Yes, I know he was injured, and maybe that means he has significant room for improvement relative to his age. Yes, I know Roy liked him enough to sign him. Both of things factor into my opinion, but so does the rest of the available information.

Re: Hamilton, you're kinda talking past the points I was making in that thread. I didn't say he was only missing a jumper. I said:
  • He's missing a jumper (and he's almost certainly not truly a 70% FT shooter; he's 17-24 so far, which is a tiny sample; he shot 49% in a larger sample last summer; the "truth" is probably somewhere in the 55%-60% range)
  • He's likely to struggle getting to the rim in college because of his relatively lack of quickness; if this is the case, he'll likely struggle with offensive fouls, other turnovers, and low percentage shots
  • His percentages from 2 in AAU are quite bad, suggesting deficiencies in some combination of shot selection, shot creation ability, and shot making ability
  • His rebounding is closer to that of a 2 than that of a 4, seriously hurting his viability as a small-ball 4
  • Overall, I don't think he's a versatile player who can fit into both positions; I think he's a player who might not fit into any position
I'm down on Hamilton because of a comprehensive (if, admittedly, amateur) evaluation of his game, not because of a single flaw or because of star rankings. Maybe I'm wrong - like I said, I'm an amateur...and even beyond that, some expect evaluations miss entirely - but my opinion has a lot of thought behind it. Saying "we pay way to much attention to a kids star rating and not nearly enough to traits a kid may have that allows him to excel in our system" is reductive at best, entirely inaccurate at worst.
 
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Maybe I am beating a tired drum but really guys, we pay way to much attention to a kids star rating and not nearly enough to traits a kid may have that allows him to excel in our system. Both Wake and GT had 3 star freshmen that played like 5stars are expected to. Duke has just had back to back classes with a 5 star kid that played like you expect a 3star to play? I would suggest even Tony played more as I would expect a 4 star to play, even Justin as a frosh played ore like a 4 star guy IMO. Not a knock on any of those kids just suggesting the star rating deal is a bit over blown.

The star rating system is a good starting place, it is a try to project potential, but there is just so much any system just can not factor in. It is a good starting place but it is not a great ending place for a decision of who we go after and who we don't. Analogy for me is the star system is an attempt to gauge the size of the dog in the fight, the rest of it is the size of the fight in the dawg and the star rankings don't reflect that as accurately. The later including factors like how a kid gells with the kids alreaaKEdy at a school, how he adapts to the coaching at the school he picks, is he a early or late bloomer, how strong is his will to succeed, how does his body develop, does his skills track with his body growth both height as well as strength from college weight training, and much more.

Example, a poster made a point yesterday about Hamilton, that of all the things he does well, he is not showing a knock down jump shot in AAU ball. The kid is a 70+ free throw shooter, well maybe all he needs is to have his shot selection worked on to see him jumpers begin to fall and yet the fact they have not yet makes him less than a 5 star, shot selection can be worked on, no shooting feel is a bigger problem (aka JP). So do we get down on Hamilton just because his jumpers are not falling resulting in his being a 4 star and not that coveted 5 star ranking? Not me...
You cite 3 players as proof that the rankings aren't accurate? I think you might need a larger test group. It is true and some kids develop later than others talent wise and there are always outliers. The rankings are pretty darn accurate especially when you take Rivals , ESPN , 247 and Scout into consideration as a composite. I think Hamilton is rated correctly as a 4* because his scoring skills aren't there yet and there are over 100 4 star's. All 4*'s are not equal.
 
I'll throw some predictions out there:

White will rise dramatically in the rankings (top-15 by the final rankings, maybe top-10).
Black will fall a bit.
Hamilton will fall a bit.

If I'm wrong, such is life; this is all hard to predict.
 
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I'll throw some predictions out there:

White will rise dramatically in the rankings (top-15 by the final rankings, maybe top-10).
Black will fall a bit.
Hamilton will fall a bit.

If I'm wrong, such is life; this is all hard to predict.
I basically agree , but don't think White will crack the top 10. It's like one (UNC)analyst said it's just hard to climb that far , unless other guys fall and he will need a lot of other guys to fall.
 
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