Yes, you're going to win so many people over on this board lol
Is Mr. Floyd's Death Being Used To Change All Of Society?
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Yes, you're going to win so many people over on this board lol
will “reasonable police officer” resonate with this jury?
what would a reasonable police officer do?
what would a reasonable police officer do?
"He died because of another's choice and u refuse to acknowledge the truth right in front of your face."
no my friend, it is YOU who is failing to allow the truth to influence your attitude. It is of course entirely possible that the cop's actions contributed to Floyd's death, but it is also entirely possible that Floyd himself contributed more, in the choices that HE made. You are wrongly jumping, without benefit of taking all facts into consideration, to the conclusion that the cop just plain murdered somebody and that Floyd's death is entirely his fault. Not only is that wrong, it's just plain fvcking stupid. Congrats on belonging to a large group of idiots who willfully ignore the truth in order to allow their emotions to be manipulated by those who have no interest in actual justice being served.
Your misplaced whining is carrying little weight. Try using reason, you'll get better traction.
I wouldn't even consider the officer's state of mind until someone was forced to admit that they had no way of telling how much if any pressure was being exerted on Floyd's neck. I want facts, and presumption is not fact.
Dude, I think your feelings would be much more appreciated and lauded on TOS. They love your type of thinking. See, everyone on that site believes that every White person, other than themselves, are racist. If you have even the tiniest bit of logical thinking and don't kowtow to the notion that all cops are racist and the only reason a White cop kills a minority is simply because the cop is racist. It HAS to be that reason...because no other reason will can be accepted. I got banned over there because I said Maxine Waters is a race whore. You will LOVE that place. Me...I'd like to catch a few of their mods (ZooView, SnoopRob, UNC1012) in the public and throat punch them. Bunch of pu$$y a$$ punks.
That's racist. Not sure how, but it's definitely racist.
Awesome post... I couldn't agree more. I would bet that many on that site have weekly in person gatherings to watch CNN and have a circle jerk.
My assessment is Heel4life67 isn't worth the time I and others are giving him, via dignified, logical responses. I could see him even being put in time out by mods for some of the hateful stuff he(?) posted.
But one thing (of the very few coherent things one could decipher out of those dumpster fire posts) that was so over-the-top (but not nearly the first time I've heard it) from straight-up America haters and white person haters, is:
"America is the most racist country there is or ever was"
That is just an emotional, fact-free, history-ignorant, 10 on a 10-scale, lie
1) I have no idea why H4L would stay here even if USA were in top 10 racist countries, with so many other better alternatives
2) the countries historically and currently more racist than the US, are too numerous to mention, but a few points:
a) many countries in worldwide (Africa, Europe, Asia) had slavery long after abolition in America, including after abolition really was enforced here
b) I believe countries (primarily in Africa) still have slaves today, including black persons owning and trading in black slaves
c) regarding other "racist" countries, it is pretty easy to get on a list to get in line to come to America - or even to get here illegally. Try - as a person of any other race or nationality - to become even a temporary resident in Japan, Australia, Sweden, Switzerland, etc. No chance. You're not even considered. Basically impossible.
d) people in China (uyghur muslims) that are being re-educated, sterilized, persecuted, starved, beaten, in Chinese concentration camps. Is USA more racist than that, or nah?
e) almost every other country in the world, today, to my knowledge, has more prominent racists per capita than USA, including most of Europe, Latin America, Asia. UK is the glaring example that comes to mind.
The above isn't to engage in whataboutism. Slavery and race persecution, or race prejudice is always wrong. But to say that America is worse, is behind most or all other countries in race relations is a flat out lie. USA can still improve, but has been a world leader ever since abolition or even back to Declaration of Independence, regarding rights and freedoms for all persons, regardless of race.
Really? It reads like a very thorough and detailed thesis that is the epitome of whataboutism.
Chauvin trial has reached a verdict. Will read it by 3:30 Central, 4:30 Eastern. Feels almost like a recruiting announcement wait.
Almost everyone from my company that used to work downtown Minneapolis now works from home due to COVID, but we all received messages 3 different ways to evacuate downtown by 3PM central at the latest.
I am surprised the verdict came back relatively quickly. I still lean toward it coming down as guilty on the 2nd degree manslaughter, not guilty on 2nd and 3rd degree murder.
Local and national politicians and "leaders" have not been helpful, have already said and done things to lay the groundwork, expectations for riots, unless the most punitive verdict comes back, which I'll be very surprise if that happens. So, the city should buckle up, hunker down for some level of riots starting in a few hours.
Good times.
Almost everyone from my company that used to work downtown Minneapolis now works from home due to COVID, but we all received messages 3 different ways to evacuate downtown by 3PM central at the latest.
I am surprised the verdict came back relatively quickly. I still lean toward it coming down as guilty on the 2nd degree manslaughter, not guilty on 2nd and 3rd degree murder.
Local and national politicians and "leaders" have not been helpful, have already said and done things to lay the groundwork, expectations for riots, unless the most punitive verdict comes back, which I'll be very surprise if that happens. So, the city should buckle up, hunker down for some level of riots starting in a few hours.
Good times.
I'm surprised too. Thought it would take a couple more days. I can't keep up with which charge is which, but I think the middle charge will be what he ends up getting. I'm thinking it will be like a compromise between the jurors that want the top count and jurors that want the minimum.
the judge instructed the jury to consider each charge and verdict separately...so, he could be found guilty of one charge but be acquitted of the others...and from i understand, also be found guilty or acquitted of all three.
do you guys really believe a jury, in less than a full day, fully understands this?
do you guys really believe a jury, in less than a full day, fully understands this?
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I WAS WRONG. 100%.
(or at least 67% wrong - I thought only one of three charges would stick, not all three).
At least maybe now the city won't burn - but who knows? The riot crowd wanted to riot regardless. What should they do now with all that pent up energy? Just go home? Anybody causing any trouble, starting anything now, better be dealt with swiftly.
I admit I didn't watch any of the actual trial and the arguments made by prosecution and defense. I only hope that if there is some aspect of violence and threats to jurors, or to the city, that did not play a part in their verdict. That sets a horrible mob rule precedent going forward, if so.
Chauvin looked sort of surprised at the verdict (from what I could tell of facial / eye expressions, wearing a mask). But legal experts said guilty was the only logical guess, with deliberation being fairly short.
I wonder if it will be appealed, and if so, how soon? And would that case be in a different jurisdiction?
Don't worry. It's going to be another couple of months before they announce how much time he gets. Plenty of opportunity to go crazy between now and then.
I'm sure it will be appealed. I'm guessing they will have to wait until it's completely over to formally file it, but they've probably already started getting everything together.
I tried to, but it was like trying to follow someone drunk telling a story.
told you.
ETA; how much you want to bet that a good opportunity to fvck some shit up doesn't get completely wasted?
ETA; how much you want to bet that a good opportunity to fvck some shit up doesn't get completely wasted?
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I stand by my post from yesterday. I dont know how anyone can prove exactly what killed Floyd.
A mystery that may never be solved. It’s too bad there wasn’t someone there with a camera.
We both know there were cameras. I have just one question for you. Do you think that Floyd saying he couldn't breathe while in the police car before he was put on the ground is important in this case?
Did you listen to the medical examiners testimonies or read the transcripts?
Do you think that Floyd saying he couldn't breathe while in the police car before he was put on the ground is important in this case?
Do you always answer a question with a question?
But maybe you should get this info to the defense team for the appeal. Obviously it was never brought up. Oh wait....it was....by the prosecution. Lol
So once again, did you listen or read the medical examiners testimonies about the cod you seem so confused about?
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Well neither of you will answer so I will continue with my cross examination. YES that is important in this case. Does Floyd saying he couldn't breathe while in the police car before he was put on the ground mean he was already having a medical emergency? No it doesn't but it does raise that possibility. On the video you can see the cop kneeling on his neck/shoulder hard to see exactly. Does his kneeling stop air flow? Hard to know for sure. Drugs were in his system.. did that play a part? Who knows for sure.
That is why I stand by my statement of having no clue what actually killed Floyd.
That is why I stand by my statement of having no clue what actually killed Floyd.
Without a doubt, the longest run-on sentence I've seen on a message board. I can't believe I actually made it through all that...lol
yes. I saw that the county coroner made a footnote on his initial report that if the death had occurred at Floyd's home, that no one would even question that his condition was what killed him. But good thing those cameras were equipped with magic remote pressure-sensing devices that could somehow read the pressure being exerted on Floyd's neck. Oh wait, the greatest pressure being exerted wasn't coming from Chauvin's knee on Floyd's neck, it was coming from officials giving in to media-driven public pressure.
Well, we do know that Chauvin attempted to PLEAD GUILTY to 3rd-degree murder to avoid a trial. That plea deal fell apart. Derek Chauvin basically admitted to killing George Floyd (in a 3rd degree manner, legally). Pleading guilty is about as incriminating as it gets. Derek Chauvin probably doesn't understand why you don't have a clue as to why he murdered George Floyd.
I did answer.
Did you hear the medical examiners testimonies? I’m curious since they address your concerns. So seems to me either you haven’t viewed the evidence or you don’t believe them.
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it does, actually...testimony provided proved that.
he went beyond what a “reasonable officer” would do and officers testified to that.
the only question you should have is “how can i believe anything else if i kept up with the trial?”
so you’re raising the possibility that chauvin exerted the proper pressure to pin Floyd down without restricting his air flow? Maybe he had that magic pressure sensing device?
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