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Really? Is that the moment when the racial divide began in America? Starting in 2008, the racial divide began?
By the way, I didn't vote for Obama either time he ran for president. But, I'm fairly certain that the racial divide in America started way, way, WAY before Obama took his first breath. Or, Obama's great-great grandfather, even.
But... Covid-19 DID hit! He fvcked that up about as bad as you can fvck it up. You can ignore that, I'm sure. That might be a harder sell for others.
You really think I'm referring to all of history? Really? Even you can't be that obtuse. You know what time frame I'm referring to or I give you way too much credit.
About covid, you are wrong as usual. But, I'll look at your evidence. Convince me he fuhked it up. You make the claim, you show the evidence.
Aren't you tired of being wrong? You remind me of a woospack fan. Can't take being owned so they continuously claim "its THEIR fault" that we suck. Geez...like trying to convince a 7th grader that making a claim is much more difficult than proving it.
I also noticed how you picked over my post to choose what to reply. Deflect and distract as always.
About covid, you are wrong as usual. But, I'll look at your evidence. Convince me he fuhked it up. You make the claim, you show the evidence.
Aren't you tired of being wrong? You remind me of a woospack fan. Can't take being owned so they continuously claim "its THEIR fault" that we suck. Geez...like trying to convince a 7th grader that making a claim is much more difficult than proving it.
I also noticed how you picked over my post to choose what to reply. Deflect and distract as always.
Not much of a damn genius if you can't find a ride to the polls.
Most geniuses are introverts without many friends to give them rides, we don't like hanging around with non-geniuses.
Here's just one example within 30 seconds of scrolling through my Twitter this AM. I'm sure I could find another 100 more examples if I wanted to take 5 min, but I don't.
Duh, I already knew that. Now leave me the hell alone.
you are correct...you can believe that my rectum is drawn up rather tight at the prospect of that assclown Biden becoming president.
right back at you with infinite likes, very well done. The dems have found that they can work the racism angle very effectively among the reason-challenged, starting with GW when half of them convinced each other that he created Hurricane Katrina in order to sic it on black people in N.O. They constantly screech 'divider' and 'racist' when there is no evidence whatsoever that Trump has as much as a racist toenail. On the other hand, their great mentor obama was a racist in sheeps clothing, stepping in on many occasions to accuse racism in knee-jerk fashion where the story, when finally told, said otherwise.
Okay, so, now the racism started during GW's administration? This is progress.
Trump's toenail probably isn't racist. But... do you really want examples of his racist behavior?
the real irony here is that the 'failure' you characterize Trump as being has helped the country whereas obama's presidency was a failure in those terms. Maybe you should give that orange Kool-aid a try.
if you really had any to provide, you wouldn't be asking stupid questions instead.
Wait, Tom Perriello's mom didn't get her eyedrops on time? OK that's it, Trump has to go.
Quite an accomplishment to get 3 sources and have WaPo be the least left leaning of the three.
Well, that's a good point. WaPo beat Breitbart to the punch. Everything that is in the video- that Trump has said- is total rubbish because it's in a WaPo video. I'm just offering examples of his racist/racial/bigoted rhetoric. If you want to dismiss them because of the source, that's your choice.
He's not Grand-Wizard-level racist. Even the KKK will insist that they're not racist, they're just pro-white (which is, precisely, racist). I don't think Trump is racist on the level of someone like... say, Lester Maddox, or George Wallace. Lester Maddox and Wallace were from a generation before Trump. Having listened to Maddox a good bit, I can comfortably say that I'm sure that anything Maddox ever said wouldn't bother Trump! Trump does display pretty blatant racist rhetoric by today's cultural standards. Of course, there are leftovers from his generation, in the next few generations, that are still... racist. They don't think they are racists. I've never met a racist who even wanted to admit that they were a racist! It's kinda funny. Even racists don't want to be characterized as being racist.
Sure sign you know you’re a racist is if you don’t admit you’re a racist.
Yikes. Wasn't dismissing anything. Was merely poking fun at the sources.
I'm sorry if that offended you. I'll self cancel.
Let's all go to Stone Mountain for the festivities!
Armed on both sides! Fun stuff!
Those are a couple of serious operators. The guy on the right probable needs more of those little pouches though
At least one of those better have some insulin in it.
I see what you're doing, you're setting me up. When are you going to show the actual racism you speak of?
Brainwashed nerd.
I gotta say... that's a helluva lot of effort to be enraged, though. From both sides, really. I mean, I get it, the mountain has the Confederate generals... okay. But, I dunno... a part of me has always seen that as a really spectacular sculpture- from a human achievement perspective. They still all have that creepy statue vibe to me (stone is not a good choice for accurately replicating humans. I realize that stone endures longer). But, to get it in that mountain- a relief sculpture like that- was a pretty amazing undertaking. It's not the Sphinx, but it's impressive to me.
I just get a feeling that millennials are wound way too tight. They were coddled and became SO overly-sensitive. Things could be so much worse than having to ignore a sculpture in a giant stone in the earth. On some level, you have to be willing to accept that what happened in the past is IN THE PAST.
AThey're aggressive for the same reason as the idiot right wingers who won't shut up about socialism taking over America. They get online and spend hours listening to how the other side is evil and wants to ruin America.
Setting you up? For what?
Tell you what; How about you offer an example of what counts as "Racist" to you, so there's a precedent for everyone to acknowledge.
Socialism! YIKES! America has been steeped in Socialism from its inception! For-fvcks-sake!
Workers have never owned the means or modes of production in this country. We’ve had private ownership of capital since day one, and that’s not about to change anytime soon.
Oh, I know. But, I mean, there have been elements of Socialism in America since it started.
And, then there's the comparison of the 10 Planks of Communism already implemented in American social structure:
1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.
The courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868) to give the government far more "eminent domain" power than was originally intended, Under the rubric of "eminent domain" and various zoning regulations, land use regulations by the Bureau of Land Managementproperty taxes, and "environmental" excuses, private property rights have become very diluted and private property in landis, vehicles, and other forms are seized almost every day in this country under the "forfeiture" provisions of the RICO statutes and the so-called War on Drugs..
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which some scholars maintain was never properly ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago. These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death. Instead, government bureaucrats get their greedy hands involved .
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
We call it government seizures, tax liens, "forfeiture" Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.
5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.
The Federal Reserve System, created by the Federal Reserve Act of Congress in 1913, is indeed such a "national bank" and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in the United States. This is exactly what Marx had in mind and completely fulfills this plank, another major socialist objective. Yet, most Americans naively believe the U.S. of A. is far from a Marxist or socialist nation.
6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.
In the U.S., communication and transportation are controlled and regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) established by the Communications Act of 1934 and the Department of Transportation and the Interstate Commerce Commission (established by Congress in 1887), and the Federal Aviation Administration as well as Executive orders 11490, 10999 -- not to mention various state bureaucracies and regulations. There is also the federal postal monopoly, AMTRAK and CONRAIL -- outright socialist (government-owned) enterprises. Instead of free-market private enteprrise in these important industries, these fields in America are semi-cartelized through the government's regulatory-industiral complex.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
While the U.S. does not have vast "collective farms" (which failed so miserably in the Soviet Union), we nevertheless do have a significant degree of government involvement in agriculture in the form of price support subsidies and acreage alotments and land-use controls. The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.
8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.
We call it the Planning Reorganization Act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.
10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.
People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .
for showing me ACTUAL racism, numbnuts, just as I said. Are you just dense?
My definition of racism might mean little to others (and nothing to you), so let me tell you what it does not mean to me in regard to the examples you provided...it does not mean simply referring to another race, either objectively or subjectively. It is not any and all references to race by someone who it is desired by the brainwashed to portray as racist. In my definition of racism, white people can talk about black people and black people can talk about red people and red people can talk about yellow people and everybody can talk about everybody else and who gives a shit if dillweeds like you are peeking around the corner waiting for somebody to say something that can be unintentionally OR intentionally misconstrued.
Another "version":
1) The abolition of private property. Private property is a fundamental right of Americans and was guaranteed to us by the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, most notably in the Fourth and Fifth Amendments of the Bill of Rights. Property taxes, gun bans, asset forfeiture laws, governmental regulatory actions, zoning laws and eminent domain have all infringed upon our right to private property, and it is only getting worse.
2) A progressive income tax. The 16th Amendment of the Constitution, passed in 1913, instituted a progressive income tax on Americans. It is progressive in that, rather than have everyone pay the same percentage of their income, which would be the true definition of fairness and equality, it instead taxes those with higher incomes at a higher percentage than those with lower incomes. At its core, a progressive income tax runs counter to the fundamental truth of our nation, that all people are created equal and should be treated equal in the eyes of the law (government). The progressive income tax places a heavier burden on those who are successful and discourages individuals from working harder and achieving more success, when they know that the government will seize more of their hard earned income.
3) Abolition of the right of inheritance. The right of inheritance is the right of a person to pass on the wealth that they have accumulated throughout their lifetime to their children, family, or chosen beneficiaries. Known as the Estate Tax, but more aptly described as the Death Tax, the government and the states take such an obscene amount of an individual’s accumulated wealth and assets upon their death that they then deny the family or beneficiaries the full opportunity and resources to carry on that persons work and goals or to enjoy the fruits of what their ancestors worked hard to create and share with them.
4) Confiscation of the property of emigrants and rebels. Used by the IRS, DHS, Customs and Immigration, and most law enforcement agencies, this practice denies an individual from taking all of their accumulated wealth with them if they leave the country. If you leave, the government must be made aware of, and have access to, any transactions you make with your money, and can levy fines, fees and taxes. As far as ‘rebels’ go, who determines who is classified as a rebel? Asset forfeiture and seizure is used as a way to intimidate and silence critics and dissenters, in addition to suspected terrorists and criminals, by allowing the police and government agencies to seize a person’s money and/or property for any given reason. So much for the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. Also falling under this category would be the indefinite detention of American citizens and the violation of their civil liberties, as per Executive Orders and the NDAA signed by President Obama, which are directly in contradiction with the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Eight, and Ninth Amendments of our Bill of Rights in the Constitution.
5) Central banking system. Known as the Federal Reserve, it is a large, privately owned bank that controls our nations money and government. Nearly all banks and Credit Unions are subservient to the Fed and must be enrolled in the FDIC, another privately owned entity under the umbrella of the Federal Reserve. The Fed prints the currency we use and sets the interest rates that govern our Treasury Department and monetary policy. Legislation and regulation compel all financial institutions to abide by the Federal Reserve. Our government does not control the Federal Reserve; the Federal Reserve controls our government and economy, and therefore controls us.
6) Centralization of communication and transportation. The FCC controls all major avenues of communication, like TV, radio, phones and other means of communicating. The NSA and DHS monitor the Internet. The Department of Transportation, TSA, DHS, and state transportation and licensing agencies control all means of transportation, including planes, trains, buses, and cars. With increasing rules and regulations, there will soon come a day when you must have permission to travel anywhere or to say anything. No-Fly lists, TSA checkpoints, free speech zones and anti-demonstration laws are examples of this.
7) State owned manufacturing and agriculture. Agencies like the Department of Commerce, OSHA and the EPA, along with the Departments of Agriculture and Labor, and the many various agencies underneath this broad aegis, as well as the Labor Unions, have wrenched most control of manufacturing and agriculture from individuals and small privately owned businesses by instituting numerous and arbitrary rules and regulations that often prevent small businesses and individuals from being successful. It is only those who are well connected to those in power, or large enough to afford the lawyers necessary, who are able to follow every rule or find the loopholes that enable them to succeed.
8) Central control of labor. The Department of Labor, OSHA, and Labor Unions, through favorable legislation and regulation, as well as numerous other bureaucracies, exert immense control over the laborers of this country, even in non-union right-to-work states. The Labor Union leadership, though not necessarily all the workers, support big government politicians who then enact laws that support Labor Unions, usually at the expense of individuals, small businesses and companies that employ non-union workers in strong union areas.
9) Corporate farms and the central control of the population. The EPA, FDA and Department of Agriculture have teamed up with giant corporations like Monsanto, Dow and Bayer to control all aspects of farming, from seeds and pesticides to various arbitrary rules and regulations that hamper individual farmers and small companies in the agriculture business. Central control of the population is also known as Regional Planning, and DHS and FEMA have detailed plans for controlling the population, in the event of an ‘emergency’ or Martial Law. This is plainly visible if you look at how FEMA has dissected the country into ten regions.
10) Central control of education. The Department of Education and the teacher’s unions hold sway over our public school system, and do more indoctrinating and inculcating with propaganda than actual teaching, especially now with Common Core standards. That is why, despite the horrible results in our failing educational system, big government politicians, bureaucrats, and the unions increasingly ask for more money and favors, and fight any legislation that is supportive of school choice, vouchers, charter schools, private schools, and home schooling.
1) The abolition of private property. Private property is a fundamental right of Americans and was guaranteed to us by the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, most notably in the Fourth and Fifth Amendments of the Bill of Rights. Property taxes, gun bans, asset forfeiture laws, governmental regulatory actions, zoning laws and eminent domain have all infringed upon our right to private property, and it is only getting worse.
2) A progressive income tax. The 16th Amendment of the Constitution, passed in 1913, instituted a progressive income tax on Americans. It is progressive in that, rather than have everyone pay the same percentage of their income, which would be the true definition of fairness and equality, it instead taxes those with higher incomes at a higher percentage than those with lower incomes. At its core, a progressive income tax runs counter to the fundamental truth of our nation, that all people are created equal and should be treated equal in the eyes of the law (government). The progressive income tax places a heavier burden on those who are successful and discourages individuals from working harder and achieving more success, when they know that the government will seize more of their hard earned income.
3) Abolition of the right of inheritance. The right of inheritance is the right of a person to pass on the wealth that they have accumulated throughout their lifetime to their children, family, or chosen beneficiaries. Known as the Estate Tax, but more aptly described as the Death Tax, the government and the states take such an obscene amount of an individual’s accumulated wealth and assets upon their death that they then deny the family or beneficiaries the full opportunity and resources to carry on that persons work and goals or to enjoy the fruits of what their ancestors worked hard to create and share with them.
4) Confiscation of the property of emigrants and rebels. Used by the IRS, DHS, Customs and Immigration, and most law enforcement agencies, this practice denies an individual from taking all of their accumulated wealth with them if they leave the country. If you leave, the government must be made aware of, and have access to, any transactions you make with your money, and can levy fines, fees and taxes. As far as ‘rebels’ go, who determines who is classified as a rebel? Asset forfeiture and seizure is used as a way to intimidate and silence critics and dissenters, in addition to suspected terrorists and criminals, by allowing the police and government agencies to seize a person’s money and/or property for any given reason. So much for the Fourth and Fifth Amendments. Also falling under this category would be the indefinite detention of American citizens and the violation of their civil liberties, as per Executive Orders and the NDAA signed by President Obama, which are directly in contradiction with the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth, Seventh, Eight, and Ninth Amendments of our Bill of Rights in the Constitution.
5) Central banking system. Known as the Federal Reserve, it is a large, privately owned bank that controls our nations money and government. Nearly all banks and Credit Unions are subservient to the Fed and must be enrolled in the FDIC, another privately owned entity under the umbrella of the Federal Reserve. The Fed prints the currency we use and sets the interest rates that govern our Treasury Department and monetary policy. Legislation and regulation compel all financial institutions to abide by the Federal Reserve. Our government does not control the Federal Reserve; the Federal Reserve controls our government and economy, and therefore controls us.
6) Centralization of communication and transportation. The FCC controls all major avenues of communication, like TV, radio, phones and other means of communicating. The NSA and DHS monitor the Internet. The Department of Transportation, TSA, DHS, and state transportation and licensing agencies control all means of transportation, including planes, trains, buses, and cars. With increasing rules and regulations, there will soon come a day when you must have permission to travel anywhere or to say anything. No-Fly lists, TSA checkpoints, free speech zones and anti-demonstration laws are examples of this.
7) State owned manufacturing and agriculture. Agencies like the Department of Commerce, OSHA and the EPA, along with the Departments of Agriculture and Labor, and the many various agencies underneath this broad aegis, as well as the Labor Unions, have wrenched most control of manufacturing and agriculture from individuals and small privately owned businesses by instituting numerous and arbitrary rules and regulations that often prevent small businesses and individuals from being successful. It is only those who are well connected to those in power, or large enough to afford the lawyers necessary, who are able to follow every rule or find the loopholes that enable them to succeed.
8) Central control of labor. The Department of Labor, OSHA, and Labor Unions, through favorable legislation and regulation, as well as numerous other bureaucracies, exert immense control over the laborers of this country, even in non-union right-to-work states. The Labor Union leadership, though not necessarily all the workers, support big government politicians who then enact laws that support Labor Unions, usually at the expense of individuals, small businesses and companies that employ non-union workers in strong union areas.
9) Corporate farms and the central control of the population. The EPA, FDA and Department of Agriculture have teamed up with giant corporations like Monsanto, Dow and Bayer to control all aspects of farming, from seeds and pesticides to various arbitrary rules and regulations that hamper individual farmers and small companies in the agriculture business. Central control of the population is also known as Regional Planning, and DHS and FEMA have detailed plans for controlling the population, in the event of an ‘emergency’ or Martial Law. This is plainly visible if you look at how FEMA has dissected the country into ten regions.
10) Central control of education. The Department of Education and the teacher’s unions hold sway over our public school system, and do more indoctrinating and inculcating with propaganda than actual teaching, especially now with Common Core standards. That is why, despite the horrible results in our failing educational system, big government politicians, bureaucrats, and the unions increasingly ask for more money and favors, and fight any legislation that is supportive of school choice, vouchers, charter schools, private schools, and home schooling.
That's "Mister Dillweed" to you, cutie pie.
It's not JUST that he says "black person" or "African American(s)", or "Mexicans", or whatever ethnicity in the examples. Did you pay attention to the context?
You’ve copy/pasted this before. It’s cherry picked examples that for the most part aren’t even examples of those “pillars.”
For example, the use of eminent domain does not mean we have abolished private property. Eminent domain is rarely used, and there have been individuals and corporations who own massive amounts of property and capital at every point of our nation’s history. We’ve never even considered the abolition of private property.
I mean if you’re going to stretch so far as to believe that subsidizing a privately owned farm is an example of communism, then you could pretty much call anything communism.
Well, yeah, it's definitely cherry-picked.
But, anything that you supposedly "own" where there's a contract- deed, title, permit, etc.- and you don't pay the "property tax" annually, they will take it from you and physically remove you from it.
I have traveled quite a bit in Scandinavian countries and the people I’ve talked to love their socialism. They love to brag about how much higher their standard of living is than ours. They will be the first to admit they pay high taxes but they have healthcare from birth to death, everybody gets to retire at a certain age with pay and all education is free. They pay a lot in taxes but they expect a lot from the people they elected and will vote them out if they don’t perform. They don’t spend a lot on defense but they don’t need it and we spend quite a bit more than we should.
That sounds pretty sweet. You should move there.
That’s not communism. Owning it in the first place is the antithesis of communism
You don't "own it." You never truly "own" anything that requires a mutual contract with the state. You pay annual taxes on it in order to pretend that you think you own it. Now, this is only things that you have to "co-own' with the state (cars and homes, real estate, etc.).
Social Security, medicare, medicaid, are examples of Socialism. There's a lot of socialism in the USA, and I know many conservatives who indulge in it and wouldn't change it.
Just imagine how much they would have to spend on defense if we didn't protect them.
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