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HITF is posting the part of the quote that said the Kentucky(the perceived leader) visit was no better than the UNC visit not positive for UNC? . It sure as hell doesn't support a negative narrative. Your paranoia is alarming and I hardly think anybody needs you to tell them that this is a heavy weight recruiting battle but it is good to know you have such a firm grasp of the obvious and share it with others. We do agree that "you don't get it". One other thing please remind me of the last time a player/parent spoke negatively of Roy? Roy is one of the finest upstanding coaches around and is probably only disliked by mooers.It was nothing of substance as to WHO LEADS. THAT was the POINT.
And you make no claims? Ok. Just a lot of negative assumptions... and your selective quote of the only part of that article that wasn't positive for Carolina is par for the damned course. Cherry-picking the one part that, out of context as it was, made it look like everything at the Carolina visit was blah-blah ho-hum, when the fact is the interview was glowing about Roy. Seriously, what's wrong with you? Are you THAT determined to support a negative narrative?. I just don't get it.
And I don't need any help with credibility. I've been trying to tell people that this is a heavy-weight recruiting battle that has already had ebbs and flows among UNC, UT and uk, all gaining advantages at different times (many of which I've detailed). So I stand by that statement... or how about this? One can speculate where some analysts are getting some recent info, but there is no reason to think Paul Washington has told anyone that uk or anyone else leads.
Ky getting Richards, which I think is very likely and Preston, both 5 star top 20 in this class would strongly effect decisions by Bamba and PJ, as well as Vanderbilt. Especially if that Ky front court does not leave in mass after this coming season and I do not believe they will, meaning I think SJK and very likely Bam will be back for soph seasons.
Consider a front court of Bam, SJK, Richards, Preston, and you are a power forward or center? Or you a 5star power forward or center and looking at UNCs front court and see Only Tony, a former walk on (Luke), and a 3 star Huffman) who may just barely have snagged a 4th star? So what if we add another front court guy that is as well barely a 4 star, PJ knows he will get the PT over anyone we will have on our roster when he gets to us. Low 4 star freshmen do not block the road, 5 stars sure as heck do.
No, before folks line up to tell me, Ky does not yet have Richards or Preston. But Richards is OV to Ky this weekend and Preston just opened up his recruiting after agreeing to attend Phog Night mysteriously... I believe it was heelwil that used the phrase shannagans seem afoot, and who is the master of shannagans again? LOL It has long been speculated that Richards, Preston, and Vanderbilt want Ky...
Now you tell me, with what I just shared, if you are PJ, and lets say you feel Ky more than you do UNC, lets go with that for a second, would you not strongly need to wait until the spring to make your committment, if for no other reason than to see what Bam and SJK end up doing before you joined that log jam? Front court players 4 is for me perfect but for 5star recruits they prefer to be one of the top 3 in your front court, they prefer to have a open starting spot actually but it is top 3 in your front court or bust. When you see 4 different 5star players in a front court it is very unlikely a 5 star like PJ is going to want to be the 5th one. So you would at very least expect PJ to delay an announcement until the spring to see how that falls out. Yet every single indication we have of PJs time line is that he will announce most likely early Nov if not sooner.
So I ask why experts say now that Ky leads for PJ? If you have followed what I just shared and you have nothing else concrete to counter any of it, how can you not also be asking why experts are saying we trail Ky for this kid?
It was nothing of substance as to WHO LEADS. THAT was the POINT.
And you make no claims? Ok. Just a lot of negative assumptions... and your selective quote of the only part of that article that wasn't positive for Carolina is par for the damned course. Cherry-picking the one part that, out of context as it was, made it look like everything at the Carolina visit was blah-blah ho-hum, when the fact is the interview was glowing about Roy. Seriously, what's wrong with you? Are you THAT determined to support a negative narrative?. I just don't get it.
And I don't need any help with credibility. I've been trying to tell people that this is a heavy-weight recruiting battle that has already had ebbs and flows among UNC, UT and uk, all gaining advantages at different times (many of which I've detailed). So I stand by that statement... or how about this? One can speculate where some analysts are getting some recent info, but there is no reason to think Paul Washington has told anyone that uk or anyone else leads.
"One can speculate where some analysts are getting some recent info, but there is no reason to think Paul Washington has told anyone that uk or anyone else leads"
??? Really? Did ya see what happened with me when I speculated and ask why the experts disagreed ?
Where Richards , Preston , Vanderbilt and Bamba go should have a huge influence on where P.J. and Knox go and as it falls out picks will change. I personally don't understand why we aren't in better shape because UNC has the almost guaranteed playing time if these guys live up to their hype.
This last blog by Dsouthr is actually WHY I asked him to continue posting here with terrific explanations and reasoning instead of surrendering to a few knuckleheads whose fragile egos might have been hurt by his logical explanations instead of off the wall no substantial personal opinions.
If PJ does decide to come to the Hill, it will indeed probably be because of the reasons Dsouthr in the simplest of terms laid out that Kentucky looks to have a full complementary of players in their front court and playing time would be limited where UNC could offer him all the PT he as a freshman could handle.
Dsouthr I admire your work and your continued support of Carolina Sports on a daily basis here so I say regardless if it is a strong statement or a backup opinion on this PJ thread or some other post, keep your strong comments coming because there are always negative comments found here and your opinions and statements help to neutralize alot of that useless stuff...
If PJ does decide to come to the Hill, it will indeed probably be because of the reasons Dsouthr in the simplest of terms laid out that Kentucky looks to have a full complementary of players in their front court and playing time would be limited where UNC could offer him all the PT he as a freshman could handle.
Dsouthr I admire your work and your continued support of Carolina Sports on a daily basis here so I say regardless if it is a strong statement or a backup opinion on this PJ thread or some other post, keep your strong comments coming because there are always negative comments found here and your opinions and statements help to neutralize alot of that useless stuff...
Great post Dave, and it makes me hope for something that is almost sacrilegious to my thinking. Go Kentucky Go. Get those two recruits..... there I said it. OK now for my shower.
I'm not sure why everyone automatically thinks uk signing those guys would push pj somewhere else. Have we all forgotten cal got 10 of these guys to buy into "platooning" and taking way reduced pt than they would get somewhere else? Logic would say that yes it should help but most of these kids seem totally blinded by whatever he's selling over there.
From what PJ and his family have said, I don't think anybody outside their family, experts included, has any evidence that they're leaning one way or the other. And I agree with Dunk when he says you're on of the best posters on the board. You do as good a job as anyone of explaining why you feel the way you do. We don't always agree but we've never had a harsh word between us. Keep on keepin' on, buddy.
Yeah, I think the days of "there isn't enough playing time" are gone. These kids all want to play with other kids. Blame USA basketball, blame AAU, blame Lebron and Durant...where nowadays kids are ALWAYS playing with other superstars. The days of wanting to win on your own are done.
While I think there is truth in what you say, there is definitely such a thing as a position being too crowded for a recruit to be sure of playing major minutes right away. And most of the guys who consider themselves OAD want to be assured of that. If PJ picks a school in November, I love our chances. If he waits, I think our chances are considerably reduced.
Until you ask how Kal was able to do that, what say sounds one way, yet with addressing how it happened it looks differently. Townes was a early commit,secured as many suggest due to kal working him while coaching his Olympic team. Lyles was a late commit and widely speculated that got done in the "back room". Stien and the Harrisons were widely assumed to be gone before that class got there but in the end they were not. Being able to get a 5 star to be willing to come off your bench is not an easy thing, having 5 different 5 star players in your front court just is not going to happen in todays climate and 4, like Ky did, is much more a 1 off than the norm.
So I ask you, would you expect PJ to be the 5th 5 star front court player for Ky, is that even reasonable?
One and done's these days are almost better not playing. Skal wishes he didn't play, Jeter the same. Kyrie played 10 games and got picked first. Mudiay goes to China and is top 10.
NBA Gm's love 18 year olds that they've never seen play real basketball.
You act like Cal hasn't had 5 5star front court players on his teams before. He has and the players didn't seem to mind when they got drafted. Weak mentality these days from teenagers.
5 star players come to the college game to play, not sit and watch others play. To even suggest the days of players looking at who and how many players are competing for their position on a team they are considering is a very strange thing for anyone to even suggest.
Because they talk to either PJ's father directly or sources that talk to PJ's father directly. There's so much said off the record that they can't comment on aside from saying things like "this sounds like a UK lean".
The difference is that yours are opinions based on what is printed or what you see other recruits saying/doing. Experts have direct contact.
I don't get why you have this ego-trip that you feel you need to be the one we look to for recruiting insight. Just let the guys who get paid to do this do their job.
Then why do certain 5 stars commit during their junior year of HS, when they know very little about who else will be on that team?
He's not preventing anybody from doing their job. He's simply expressing his opinion. Take it for what it's worth to you.
Never said he's preventing anyone from doing their job.
His M.O. is opinion then challenge experts. Like he's bigger than everyone else on the board giving their opinion and he has clout to challenge people who work their ass off to be experts. It's annoying.
Do you really think the "experts' reputations" need protecting from anything any of us message board coaches say? I think not. I don't think they could care less what we post here.
Who were those 5 5star players? Townes, Lyles, Dakari Johnson, Marcus Lee, and Poytress were 5 stars, Cauley Stien was a 4 star. Marcus Lee got shuffled out of the deck didn't he, ya really think PJ is willing to risk being the next Marcus Lee? Dakari Johnson surprised everyone, especially Ky fans by actually leaving when he did, didn't really do much or get a ton of court time when they had that star laden front court. So the truth is really, no matter how many stars they had, only 4 of them played solid PT.
No they don't need protecting, but it is spreading misinformation and false hope about our chances, which as they stand, are not bad but we are not the front runner.
Butter. To carry your thought through. How did Kentucky do the year they platooned and what Cal say about it. That he would not do it again. That year made him lose a little luster in my opinion. If it wasn't this, it would have been something else. Has to start slipping at some point. He is at high tide but the tide is slowly starting to gUTo out. At least I hope.
You've been around long enough to know that misinformation is disseminated here on a daily basis. It's up to each of us to sift through the Bull Shite and determine what we believe is factual and what we don't. If everyone would take everything written here with a grain of salt, we'd have less arguing and more debating.
And you say odd things like 5 star players do not consider who is at their positions when they make their commitments. I have been much kinder in my replies to you than you seem able to be in reply to me. Why the need for the name calling, can you not articulate your thoughts without reverting to silly name calling?
You may not be able to stand by your own opinions, that is your problem and not mine. But I stand by my opinions and I have the balls to give my reasons for my opinions. I see you ACTING like you are so hurt by what I said and yet what I said in no way involved you? Lets see what you have said about me, you flatly stated I did not know shiat and now you have called me stupid. Are there any more insults you are looking to toss my way before you get to an actual point?
If you do not like what I say I freely invite you to put me on ignore, you are not required to read anything I have to say or respond to anything I have to say.
IMO, most folks who post here have their own peccadilloes. Including me, and including you. How much we choose to be annoyed by the quirks of others is a decision each of us has to make for ourselves.
Dave is expressing an opinion based on perfectly defensible reasoning. And he's being transparent about his thought process. He may end up being right, wrong or somewhere in between. Not sure how that's worse than following lock-step behind the narrative-du-jour, which may well be flawed as these sorts of things often are.
u can be a non starter and play twenty min a game and be a first rd pick. Its happened. U can play 40 min a gm and avg 25 pts and not even be drafted. Im sure most recruits want max play time but its certainly not the end all factor in where theyll be drafted. I would rather be the first player off the bench at ky or unc or dook and compete for a natty rather than be the star player for auburn or south carolina and wallow in obscurity and exit the tourney early if u even make it.
2nd post in a row you've put words in my mouth. Didn't say anything about their reputations. Trust me, I know Dave isn't coming close to changing any of our expert's awesome reputations.
Oh, I am on an ego trip, so that was the next insult you had stored up for me, geez, I wonder what the next insult you will lob at me be...
Didn't call you stupid, I said you say stupid things. Two different things.
We get it, you stand by your opinions. But do you have to sound like a jerk to the people who work hard to give us info while supporting your opinion?
Nor has dave tried to, waiting for that next insult from ya, hurry, you have me on pins & needles...
His opinions are fine and I've never gotten on him for giving his opinion. We all give our opinions. Yet none of us feel the need to challenge people to validate hard work they put in to give us real info. Dave is the only one. I'm simply curious as to why he feels he's above all of us and deserves it.
Not taking sides on this here, all I will say is it has been a real eye opener since joining premium board, because there is HUGE disconnect between the info that comes along on there and what some posters on THR percieve to be happening... thats all I will say.
Yeah, it's tough for them to really know where I'm coming from because of the info we have access to and the amount of work we see people put in on the premi board.
So that's probably where the disconnect is coming from in most of this. Good call.
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