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You put them Bigs in with some dern good backcourt combos and you just might get surprised.

But you would rather whizz and moan about who we don't have.

Sorry mike, I'm skeptical. We are possibly going from two 5 stars and two four stars, to two 4 stars and two 3 stars. You don't win with a frontcourt like that.

Are we forgetting all the incredible big guys we've had? Most of you are just trying to save face because we haven't reeled in enough top big men, minus Bradley.
 
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Sorry mike, I'm skeptical. We are possibly going from two 5 stars and two four stars, to two 4 stars and two 3 stars. You don't win with a frontcourt like that.

Are we forgetting all the incredible big guys we've had? Most of you are just trying to save face because we haven't reeled in enough top big men, minus Bradley.

Just an honest question, not trying to say you're wrong. How many 5 star big men did South Carolina, Oregon and Gonzaga have this past year? Villanova, Syracuse and Oklahoma the year before?
 
Just an honest question, not trying to say you're wrong. How many 5 star big men did South Carolina, Oregon and Gonzaga have this past year? Villanova, Syracuse and Oklahoma the year before?

I couldn't tell you to be honest. I don't know the numbers there. But I do know UNC's bread and butter is rebounding and transition game. Our system that we currently play thrives on having top big guys. And I don't that the system itself is enough to compensate for the downgrade in pure talent:
 
I couldn't tell you to be honest. I don't know the numbers there. But I do know UNC's bread and butter is rebounding and transition game. Our system that we currently play thrives on having top big guys. And I don't that the system itself is enough to compensate for the downgrade in pure talent:

You are right about our bread and butter. Big men should be salivating to come to UNC, as Roy loves playing through his bigs. Mind boggling as to why the top big men dont want to come.
 
If Bradley wants to go, we should support him. He helped us win a championship and has a late 1st round grade.

Everyone saying negative people are telling him to go or that he isn't ready is just being ignorant imo.

It is his choice and if he goes; I fully support his decision. He just won a championship.
There's nothing ignorant about it. He would be better off coming back. Leaving after 1 season to MAYBE be a late 1st round choice and sitting the bench makes no sense for a kid who will blow up in college next season and hit lotto status. Plus, if you had any clue what was being said by these people you might think differently.
 
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Sorry mike, I'm skeptical. We are possibly going from two 5 stars and two four stars, to two 4 stars and two 3 stars. You don't win with a frontcourt like that.

Are we forgetting all the incredible big guys we've had? Most of you are just trying to save face because we haven't reeled in enough top big men, minus Bradley.
Stars, stars, stars, everything is stars :rolleyes:.
Sorry about UNC winning that title. Delayed your whining window a week or two, huh?
 
Sorry mike, I'm skeptical. We are possibly going from two 5 stars and two four stars, to two 4 stars and two 3 stars. You don't win with a frontcourt like that.

Are we forgetting all the incredible big guys we've had? Most of you are just trying to save face because we haven't reeled in enough top big men, minus Bradley.

Let's have a little faith. History reminds us of the likes of Warren Martin, Kevin Salvadori, Serge Zwikker, etc. It may take a season or three but our system will prevail.
 
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There's nothing ignorant about it. He would better off coming back. Leaving after 1 season to MAYBE be a late 1st round choice and sitting the bench makes no sense for a kid who will blow up in college next season and hit lotto status. Plus, if you had any clue what was being said by these people you might think differently.
Who has come back inti lotto status? Almost everyone is nitpicked to death in college and ends up going lower. Very few go higher. And very few catapult into the lotto. I agree next year is a weaker class. But, he won a championship, and is projected first round. He can develop just the same in the nba as college whole getting paid.
 
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Stars, stars, stars, everything is stars :rolleyes:.
Sorry about UNC winning that title. Delayed your whining window a week or two, huh?

And you wonder why people hate your guts.

I'd like the best of the best to come chapel hill wouldn't you? Or are you just going to continue to make excuses.

I'm happy as a clam we won our 6th title, I don't want to have another year like 2010.
 
This fear of a rebuilding season after a national championship reeks of "spoiled". I'd honestly hoped that the ones who freak out each year about the very next year would be quailed if and when Roy got his third. Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the case.

Anyway, Here's my line of thinking:

Best case Scenario: The reaching out to the W&M kid was putting in a plan B for Brooks. Seeing that there's no talk of an offer yet could be a sign of that.

Middle Scenario: The Knox front has gone south and we're looking for some extra depth for the next year for that open scholarship.

Worst case scenario: Roy got news that would be announced tomorrow or in the following days that Bradley is gone, and he's our next option.
 
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And you wonder why people hate your guts.

I'd like the best of the best to come chapel hill wouldn't you? Or are you just going to continue to make excuses.

I'm happy as a clam we won our 6th title, I don't want to have another year like 2010.

And who made you the all knowing god of who is the best player for next years UNC team cb34 ? The only person that knows what's best for the UNC program is the UNC head coach. He holds all the cards .. he knows what he has, what he will have and what he wants to have. I aint bustin on anybody's chops or opinions when it comes to recruiting but Roy Williams knows what he wants and if that man can't get what he wants then he will coach his ass off and get the most from what he has to work with .. you guys go back and look at some of the post earlier in the year about this years national championship team and how it was managed early in the season (and I was one of them), and according to some of the post coach was an idiot for playing some of his line ups and UNC might be a sweet 16 team. They could have come in last in conference and I'd still be one of the biggest UNC fans on the planet.

University of North Carolina. 2017 NCAA basketball tournament champions !! And may well be in the mix to defend their title regardless of who leaves or comes on board...jmho
 
Let's have a little faith. History reminds us of the likes of Warren Martin, Kevin Salvadori, Serge Zwikker, etc. It may take a season or three but our system will prevail.
All 3 were rated in the 50's or higher. Serge had a career 7 and 5 , Martin 6.6 and 4.4 and Salvadori 4.8 and 3.6. I will be happy with these type totals from Brooks , Huff and Manley unfortunately we may need more.. For the record I will gladly accept the whole team being replaced just to hang that banner. I just don't think that's the point.
 
Who has come back inti lotto status? Almost everyone is nitpicked to death in college and ends up going lower. Very few go higher. And very few catapult into the lotto. I agree next year is a weaker class. But, he won a championship, and is projected first round. He can develop just the same in the nba as college whole getting paid.
For Tony it is almost guranteed he'll move up if he comes back, and no, he cannot develop just the same riding the bench in the NBA.
 
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damn people...c'mon man!!!!! Some thread topics just really are NOT worth commenting on....this is one of them based on the direction the thread has gone!!! #GDTOBATH #2017NCAAChamps
 
For Tony it is almost guranteed he'll move up if he comes back, and no, he cannot develop just the same riding the bench in the NBA.
The NBA isn't long on patience. New and possibly higher ranked/Skilled players coming in every year and not to mention management and coaching philosophy changes.
 
And you wonder why people hate your guts.

I'd like the best of the best to come chapel hill wouldn't you? Or are you just going to continue to make excuses.

I'm happy as a clam we won our 6th title, I don't want to have another year like 2010.
Hate my guts, huh? Ohhh-kay, Sparky. Project much? And "happy as a clam"? Oh please. Sell that mess to someone who buys it.

Let's get real, shall we?
First: Literally not one poster on here that I can remember doesn't want us to get highly rated players. But when folks who actually know something explain why we've had an issue with that lately, you don't want to hear it. All you want to do is bitch, moan and whine and run down the program.
Second: (and I'm gonna preface this by apologizing up front to @mikeirbyusa @dgheel57 @heelbent et al, for the tone) When exactly have you EVER posted anything of any value here? (Hint: Never). Pretty much the only time you show up here is to bitch about recruiting or to rush to the defense of whatever uninvited dookie happens to insert their unwanted posts.
So as far as I'm concerned you are more than welcome to shove your lame garbage about "saving face" (or whatever inanity you concoct next) up where the sun don't shine. The adults in the room are discussing the prospects/impact of our latest recruits. Go bitch somewhere else.
 
Hate my guts, huh? Ohhh-kay, Sparky. Project much? And "happy as a clam"? Oh please. Sell that mess to someone who buys it.

Let's get real, shall we?
First: Literally not one poster on here that I can remember doesn't want us to get highly rated players. But when folks who actually know something explain why we've had an issue with that lately, you don't want to hear it. All you want to do is bitch, moan and whine and run down the program.
Second: (and I'm gonna preface this by apologizing up front to @mikeirbyusa @dgheel57 @heelbent et al, for the tone) When exactly have you EVER posted anything of any value here? (Hint: Never). Pretty much the only time you show up here is to bitch about recruiting or to rush to the defense of whatever uninvited dookie happens to insert their unwanted posts.
So as far as I'm concerned you are more than welcome to shove your lame garbage about "saving face" (or whatever inanity you concoct next) up where the sun don't shine. The adults in the room are discussing the prospects/impact of our latest recruits. Go bitch somewhere else.

You don't run this forum, gar-bear. You're just being your usual arrogant, pompous self trying to dictate what makes a "real" Carolina fan and what doesn't.

I'm a fan. That's what I am and continue to be. I root for Carolina, rain or shine, good times or bad times. That's not an issue. What is an issue, and has been pointed out many times, is that we are on the end run of our last decent recruiting cycle. 2015 onward hasn't been kind to us in terms of getting the best people, especially big men. That could change, especially once the scandal is out of the way. But as of now, I'm concerned for the future. I'd love to be wrong. But if Tony goes, let's see how a front line up of Luke, Huffman, Manley and Brooks is going to hold up against our competitors. But you can't accept that it's a legitimate concern, so you play it like it's nothing. "The players are under ranked", "diamonds in the rough", "we don't need OADs" the usual crap.

I defend posters from other boards that get their heads bitten off simply for offering an opinion. I don't defend trolls or a-holes. There is a difference. You and others are entirely unwelcoming to other fans who simply like to mix it up with other fans.

I'll be bragging about our championship win for the next 8 months. No one was cheering harder than I was that night. But it never hurts to look towards the future.

Lastly, the last term 'adult' really doesn't apply to you here. More like 'bully', you act like the big man on the forum and that it gives you a license to do whatever want and treat other posters however you want. So you can stick that where the "sun don't shine", as you eloquently put it.
 
Wasn't it great back in the day before all the recruiting gurus and recruiting sites told us who the best High School Big men, Forwards or Guards, were?....When I was younger, I never even gave a second thought to who we were recruiting because I had the faith that Dean Smith and Gut would teach them all they needed to know, and learn to be effective in our system that focused on getting the ball down low for the higher percentage shot, or how to use the drop step and post, or how to box out and rebound, or other important fundamentals of the game of basketball....

Nowadays, we can't even discuss Carolina basketball without first having a discussion on what recruiting services and gurus are saying about what the potential is for our recruits, based on THEIR star system....

Yeah, I know, it's all about the championships?....

I look back, and think about the Mitch Kupchecks, the George Lynchs, the Brendan Haywoods, and a lot of other big men back in the day who I didn't even know anything about until they got to Carolina....Nowadays, it's if some Carolina fans have already determined that our recruits SUCK before they ever even step on campus, which IMO discounts the abilities of those young men, and the ability of our Coaching Staff in teaching these new perceived SUCKY recruits how to actually play the game to the best of their ability, and develop into a player that none of the recruiting services or gurus thought possible when giving out those beloved STAR RATINGS before they became a member of our team?....Whoever would have thought that Luke Maye would hit a jump shot to beat the OAD stars of Kentucky, and send the Tar Heels to the Final Four when he arrived on campus, raise your hand?

Of course, we all as Tar Heel fans want the best players that we can get because we've had the Michael Jordans, the James Worthys, Tyler Hansbroughs, the Bob Macdoos and the list goes on and on, and we are all a little spoiled because of that, but we have also been blessed through the years to have coaches who have had the ability to mold and develop talent that has kept us in the National spotlight on generally a yearly basis....

I Honestly never thought that we would win as many championships as we have won when Dean Smith retired, but we now have a Coach who was his assistant who has now won more championships than the Master was able to win, and yet some of us are still not satisfied?

It's hard to believe that Carolina has now won 3 titles since the turn of the Millineum, and lost another on a buzzer beater, and still we find ourselves arguing over the potential of a recruit that people outside our program tells us those kids are not the so-called cream of the crop....

Honestly, I could care less whether other people think our kids are any good or not because most of them have NO clue what it feels like as a fan to have your team win as many titles as Carolina has in the last 17 years.....

Think I'll go put on one of my recent Carolina Championship shirts.....Hmmmmm, which one will I wear today, my new one, the one from 2009 or the one from 2005, or maybe it will be the shirt I bought just before we won the National title this year that says, "Carolina Blue, "Til the day I'm Through"?

Decisions, Decisions, Decisions....Go Tar Heels!
 
Tigertown, AMEN!

Best thread I've read in a while. Why so many have condemned these young men before they even take the court is beyond me! I swear I saw a 4 star recruit, who many said was a wasted scholly, send a whole team of "All Stars" packing. :D
 
Wasn't it great back in the day before all the recruiting gurus and recruiting sites told us who the best High School Big men, Forwards or Guards, were?....When I was younger, I never even gave a second thought to who we were recruiting because I had the faith that Dean Smith and Gut would teach them all they needed to know, and learn to be effective in our system that focused on getting the ball down low for the higher percentage shot, or how to use the drop step and post, or how to box out and rebound, or other important fundamentals of the game of basketball....

Nowadays, we can't even discuss Carolina basketball without first having a discussion on what recruiting services and gurus are saying about what the potential is for our recruits, based on THEIR star system....

Yeah, I know, it's all about the championships?....

I look back, and think about the Mitch Kupchecks, the George Lynchs, the Brendan Haywoods, and a lot of other big men back in the day who I didn't even know anything about until they got to Carolina....Nowadays, it's if some Carolina fans have already determined that our recruits SUCK before they ever even step on campus, which IMO discounts the abilities of those young men, and the ability of our Coaching Staff in teaching these new perceived SUCKY recruits how to actually play the game to the best of their ability, and develop into a player that none of the recruiting services or gurus thought possible when giving out those beloved STAR RATINGS before they became a member of our team?....Whoever would have thought that Luke Maye would hit a jump shot to beat the OAD stars of Kentucky, and send the Tar Heels to the Final Four when he arrived on campus, raise your hand?

Of course, we all as Tar Heel fans want the best players that we can get because we've had the Michael Jordans, the James Worthys, Tyler Hansbroughs, the Bob Macdoos and the list goes on and on, and we are all a little spoiled because of that, but we have also been blessed through the years to have coaches who have had the ability to mold and develop talent that has kept us in the National spotlight on generally a yearly basis....

I Honestly never thought that we would win as many championships as we have won when Dean Smith retired, but we now have a Coach who was his assistant who has now won more championships than the Master was able to win, and yet some of us are still not satisfied?

It's hard to believe that Carolina has now won 3 titles since the turn of the Millineum, and lost another on a buzzer beater, and still we find ourselves arguing over the potential of a recruit that people outside our program tells us those kids are not the so-called cream of the crop....

Honestly, I could care less whether other people think our kids are any good or not because most of them have NO clue what it feels like as a fan to have your team win as many titles as Carolina has in the last 17 years.....

Think I'll go put on one of my recent Carolina Championship shirts.....Hmmmmm, which one will I wear today, my new one, the one from 2009 or the one from 2005, or maybe it will be the shirt I bought just before we won the National title this year that says, "Carolina Blue, "Til the day I'm Through"?

Decisions, Decisions, Decisions....Go Tar Heels!
I couldn't agree more TigerTown. A big reason this 2017 title meant so much to me are these kids who decided to come to Chapel Hill to play basketball. They heard while being recruited how the NCAA would hammer us, how we would be ineligible for the tournament, etc. etc. etc. but these kids decided to trust ol Roy and come and be Tar Heels anyway.

And that is why on that first Monday night in April when they were standing on that stage holding the trophy I said to myself - that is CAROLINA BASKETBALL!!!! These kids wanted to be Tar Heels and that is why I don't care anymore how many stars a player has or what their high school tape shows. If ol Roy wants them and they want to be a Heel then I will cheer them on until they leave. 2017 NATIONAL CHAMPS!!!
 
There's nothing ignorant about it. He would be better off coming back. Leaving after 1 season to MAYBE be a late 1st round choice and sitting the bench makes no sense for a kid who will blow up in college next season and hit lotto status. Plus, if you had any clue what was being said by these people you might think differently.

Sorry disagree, late first prediction is a little hard to say he should go because because it is way to close to 2nd round and nobody is even guaranteed money in 2nd.

If it is guaranteed late first then of course it is a great decision because your prolly going to be on a playoff team that can afford to wait and not put these one and done players into bad position.

One and done is great for playoff teams and suxx for teams picking in lottery because they are put in situations that have a high rate of failure.

Hope TB stays, but if your a late first rounder then it is best for him to go. Get paid millions to develop your games and if you develop in 3 years or 4 your going to make 15 million a year!

I like the college baseball rules. You can go pro, but if you choose college your waiting 3 years.

There has been no program better than UNC is developing big men. Deon Thomas, Haywood, Meeks and Brice. Even though some of these guys were 5 star players none were top 5 or 10 in there class, but all saw final 4 as starters. YOU DON'T NEED A ONE and DONE big man to be successful.
 
Who has come back inti lotto status? Almost everyone is nitpicked to death in college and ends up going lower. Very few go higher. And very few catapult into the lotto. I agree next year is a weaker class. But, he won a championship, and is projected first round. He can develop just the same in the nba as college whole getting paid.
The most obvious answer would be JJ.

All 3 were rated in the 50's or higher. Serge had a career 7 and 5 , Martin 6.6 and 4.4 and Salvadori 4.8 and 3.6. I will be happy with these type totals from Brooks , Huff and Manley unfortunately we may need more.. For the record I will gladly accept the whole team being replaced just to hang that banner. I just don't think that's the point.
If you offered me a choice between those three coming in as freshmen and the trio of Brooks/Huffman/Manley, I would choose the latter all day long. Salvadori was the only one of those three that I thought might be a good ACC player, and he posted the worst numbers. I think all three of our incoming bigs have that ability, they're certainly more mobile and athletic.

Tigertown, AMEN!

Best thread I've read in a while. Why so many have condemned these young men before they even take the court is beyond me! I swear I saw a 4 star recruit, who many said was a wasted scholly, send a whole team of "All Stars" packing. :D
I believe he was a 3*, Mike. He singlehandedly outproduced Bolden/Jeter/DeLaurier combined.
 
...meaning exactly what?
....meaning is I was agreeing with you. NBA is not a great place to develop your game. It is much better for tweaking it because if your development is slow and a draftee comes along that is further developed or even a coach who doesn't like your development then you could very well be gone after one contract.
 
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Wasn't it great back in the day before all the recruiting gurus and recruiting sites told us who the best High School Big men, Forwards or Guards, were?....When I was younger, I never even gave a second thought to who we were recruiting because I had the faith that Dean Smith and Gut would teach them all they needed to know, and learn to be effective in our system that focused on getting the ball down low for the higher percentage shot, or how to use the drop step and post, or how to box out and rebound, or other important fundamentals of the game of basketball....
Indeed, it was.
Nowadays, we can't even discuss Carolina basketball without first having a discussion on what recruiting services and gurus are saying about what the potential is for our recruits, based on THEIR star system....
And with the exception of the top 20 or so players, those rankings are highly subjective.


Nowadays, it's if some Carolina fans have already determined that our recruits SUCK before they ever even step on campus, which IMO discounts the abilities of those young men, and the ability of our Coaching Staff in teaching these new perceived SUCKY recruits how to actually play the game to the best of their ability, and develop into a player that none of the recruiting services or gurus thought possible when giving out those beloved STAR RATINGS before they became a member of our team?
In all fairness, they aren't saying they suck but they certainly don't appear to have faith in either the recruits or in our staff to develop them into a championship caliber team.
....Whoever would have thought that Luke Maye would hit a jump shot to beat the OAD stars of Kentucky, and send the Tar Heels to the Final Four when he arrived on campus, raise your hand?
Beuhler? Beuhler? No one did. I know I didn't and I was one of Luke's most ardent supporters. I envisioned him contributing as a sophomore but if you'd said he would be regional MOP, I'd have called a psychiatrist.
Of course, we all as Tar Heel fans want the best players that we can get because we've had the Michael Jordans, the James Worthys, Tyler Hansbroughs, the Bob Macdoos and the list goes on and on, and we are all a little spoiled because of that, but we have also been blessed through the years to have coaches who have had the ability to mold and develop talent that has kept us in the National spotlight on generally a yearly basis....
This can't be overstated, no matter how many times it's said.
I Honestly never thought that we would win as many championships as we have won when Dean Smith retired, but we now have a Coach who was his assistant who has now won more championships than the Master was able to win, and yet some of us are still not satisfied?

It's hard to believe that Carolina has now won 3 titles since the turn of the Millineum, and lost another on a buzzer beater, and still we find ourselves arguing over the potential of a recruit that people outside our program tells us those kids are not the so-called cream of the crop....
It's called being so spoiled by our amazing success that some develop a sense of entitlement, a mindset that is becoming all too prevalent in today's society.

Think I'll go put on one of my recent Carolina Championship shirts.....Hmmmmm, which one will I wear today, my new one, the one from 2009 or the one from 2005, or maybe it will be the shirt I bought just before we won the National title this year that says, "Carolina Blue, "Til the day I'm Through"?

Decisions, Decisions, Decisions....Go Tar Heels!
Nice to have options, isn't it?

Home run post, Rick!
 
If you offered me a choice between those three coming in as freshmen and the trio of Brooks/Huffman/Manley, I would choose the latter all day long. Salvadori was the only one of those three that I thought might be a good ACC player, and he posted the worst numbers. I think all three of our incoming bigs have that ability, they're certainly more mobile and athletic.

The point is I wouldn't want either group of 3 all coming in as freshmen because it is tying up 3 scholarships in the same class. You can now practically count us out for Silvio De Sousa and Naz Reid who are much more skilled bigs. I have my doubts any of these 3 will ever top Zwikker's career stats. If you don't think Zwikker (senior stats 11.5 and 7.1) was a good player then I just have to SMH.
 
You don't run this forum, gar-bear. You're just being your usual arrogant, pompous self trying to dictate what makes a "real" Carolina fan and what doesn't.

I'm a fan. That's what I am and continue to be. I root for Carolina, rain or shine, good times or bad times. That's not an issue. What is an issue, and has been pointed out many times, is that we are on the end run of our last decent recruiting cycle. 2015 onward hasn't been kind to us in terms of getting the best people, especially big men. That could change, especially once the scandal is out of the way. But as of now, I'm concerned for the future. I'd love to be wrong. But if Tony goes, let's see how a front line up of Luke, Huffman, Manley and Brooks is going to hold up against our competitors. But you can't accept that it's a legitimate concern, so you play it like it's nothing. "The players are under ranked", "diamonds in the rough", "we don't need OADs" the usual crap.

I defend posters from other boards that get their heads bitten off simply for offering an opinion. I don't defend trolls or a-holes. There is a difference. You and others are entirely unwelcoming to other fans who simply like to mix it up with other fans.

I'll be bragging about our championship win for the next 8 months. No one was cheering harder than I was that night. But it never hurts to look towards the future.

Lastly, the last term 'adult' really doesn't apply to you here. More like 'bully', you act like the big man on the forum and that it gives you a license to do whatever want and treat other posters however you want. So you can stick that where the "sun don't shine", as you eloquently put it.
SMH. Dramatize much? And BTW, do you remember the highly ranked freshman class that was on that 2010 team you're dreading a reprise of? Hell, 3 of them proved to be a detriment and tranferred. It's about finding the right fit in players and developing them more than stars and rankings.
 
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Wasn't it great back in the day before all the recruiting gurus and recruiting sites told us who the best High School Big men, Forwards or Guards, were?....When I was younger, I never even gave a second thought to who we were recruiting because I had the faith that Dean Smith and Gut would teach them all they needed to know, and learn to be effective in our system that focused on getting the ball down low for the higher percentage shot, or how to use the drop step and post, or how to box out and rebound, or other important fundamentals of the game of basketball....

Nowadays, we can't even discuss Carolina basketball without first having a discussion on what recruiting services and gurus are saying about what the potential is for our recruits, based on THEIR star system....

Yeah, I know, it's all about the championships?....

I look back, and think about the Mitch Kupchecks, the George Lynchs, the Brendan Haywoods, and a lot of other big men back in the day who I didn't even know anything about until they got to Carolina....Nowadays, it's if some Carolina fans have already determined that our recruits SUCK before they ever even step on campus, which IMO discounts the abilities of those young men, and the ability of our Coaching Staff in teaching these new perceived SUCKY recruits how to actually play the game to the best of their ability, and develop into a player that none of the recruiting services or gurus thought possible when giving out those beloved STAR RATINGS before they became a member of our team?....Whoever would have thought that Luke Maye would hit a jump shot to beat the OAD stars of Kentucky, and send the Tar Heels to the Final Four when he arrived on campus, raise your hand?

Of course, we all as Tar Heel fans want the best players that we can get because we've had the Michael Jordans, the James Worthys, Tyler Hansbroughs, the Bob Macdoos and the list goes on and on, and we are all a little spoiled because of that, but we have also been blessed through the years to have coaches who have had the ability to mold and develop talent that has kept us in the National spotlight on generally a yearly basis....

I Honestly never thought that we would win as many championships as we have won when Dean Smith retired, but we now have a Coach who was his assistant who has now won more championships than the Master was able to win, and yet some of us are still not satisfied?

It's hard to believe that Carolina has now won 3 titles since the turn of the Millineum, and lost another on a buzzer beater, and still we find ourselves arguing over the potential of a recruit that people outside our program tells us those kids are not the so-called cream of the crop....

Honestly, I could care less whether other people think our kids are any good or not because most of them have NO clue what it feels like as a fan to have your team win as many titles as Carolina has in the last 17 years.....

Think I'll go put on one of my recent Carolina Championship shirts.....Hmmmmm, which one will I wear today, my new one, the one from 2009 or the one from 2005, or maybe it will be the shirt I bought just before we won the National title this year that says, "Carolina Blue, "Til the day I'm Through"?

Decisions, Decisions, Decisions....Go Tar Heels!

Ummm...so while everyone is praising this post because he's shunning the rankings because that's popular around here cuz we haven't landed many highly ranked players (outside of Tony and Jalek) lately.

But Tiger, when you praise our championships, you DO realize that those teams were built on players who these "gurus" who you slam ranked very highly?

2005 - McCants #7, May #10, Felton #3, Marvin #9
2009 - Pyscho T #6, Lawson #8, Ellington #12, Green #22
2017 - JBII #23, Theo #16, Justin #7, Hicks #21

So your entire argument is simply invalid. These kids were "Cream of the crop". We won titles because we had them. Bottom line.
 
People can't seem to separate the argument being made that next years class is the worst (on paper) by far that roys ever brought in with the fact that we just won a title. Dadikas post sums it up perfectly. Every great team unc has had under Roy has featured multiple top 20-50 players. We can sit here on our high horses and poo poo rankings all we want but in unc's case they've been a pretty reliable predictor of success.

Everyone is saying it's awesome and great we just won the whole thing. But there's some of us who can look at next years class objectively for what it is.
 
The point is I wouldn't want either group of 3 all coming in as freshmen because it is tying up 3 scholarships in the same class. You can now practically count us out for Silvio De Sousa and Naz Reid who are much more skilled bigs. I have my doubts any of these 3 will ever top Zwikker's career stats. If you don't think Zwikker (senior stats 11.5 and 7.1) was a good player then I just have to SMH.
He had a fine senior season, hell Hicks' senior numbers were only 11.8 and 5.5, and he was much higher ranked, IIRC. That's my point. If he can do that, then Brooks/Huffman/Manley certainly have the potential to do it. Their physical skills are better than Zwikker's so they have a better foundation on which to build. I'm not going to belabor this point with you any longer. I think this class is better than you do. As I said, only time will tell. We'll just agree to disagree.
 
The NBA draft is all about striking while the iron is hot. Kendall Marshall is a prime example of going while your name is hot. Tony Bradley is a borderline first round pick that could easily slip into the second round. If you have to wait until the last day/minute to make a decision whether to go or not that should tell you everything you need to know. I've never understood the logic I've already won a title so lets go into the draft. If Tony Bradley was a top 15 pick I would drive him to the draft. I would bet everything I have that if Bradley returns to Chapel Hill he's a lottery pick in the 2018 draft.
 
SMH. Dramatize much? And BTW, do you remember the highly ranked freshman class that was on that 2010 team you're dreading a reprise of? Hell, 3 of them proved to be a detriment and tranferred. It's about finding the right fit in players and developing them more than stars and rankings.

Lol this is ridiculous. You point out the ONE year where we had a highly ranked class that didn't really work out. You do realize that class also had Henson in it, right?

I counter your ridiculous 2010 example with..oh let's see pretty much every other year Roy brought in a stud class-because they always worked out well.
 
Lol this is ridiculous. You point out the ONE year where we had a highly ranked class that didn't really work out. You do realize that class also had Henson in it, right?

I counter your ridiculous 2010 example with..oh let's see pretty much every other year Roy brought in a stud class-because they always worked out well.

Seriously. Plus that class was ranked so high in large part to Henson being in it since he was a top 5 guy. Take him out of that class and it's headlined by a 27th ranked recruit and a few guys in the 50's. Not great.

But Gary wants to ignore the amazing classes of 2010, 2014, 2002, 2006 all leading success because 2009 sorta fits his argument. But not really.
 
People can't seem to separate the argument being made that next years class is the worst (on paper) by far that roys ever brought in with the fact that we just won a title. Dadikas post sums it up perfectly. Every great team unc has had under Roy has featured multiple top 20-50 players. We can sit here on our high horses and poo poo rankings all we want but in unc's case they've been a pretty reliable predictor of success.

Everyone is saying it's awesome and great we just won the whole thing. But there's some of us who can look at next years class objectively for what it is.
No one is saying the 3 freshman bigs are going to be worldbeaters out of the gate. Isaiah wasn't, Kennedy wasn't, JJ wasn't, etc... But we do believe they can become very good college players within a couple of years.

Don't forget we have two 4* recruits committed from the class of '18 in Black and White. And we are the leader by most accounts for Hamilton, another 4* player. As for big men, 4*/5* bigs shouldn't be afraid to come in and compete with measly 3* bigs, right?
 
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No one is saying the 3 freshman bigs are going to be worldbeaters out of the gate. Isaiah wasn't, Kennedy wasn't, JJ wasn't, etc... But we do believe they can become very good college players within a couple of years.

Don't forget we have two 4* recruits committed from the class of '18 in Black and White. And we are the leader by most accounts for Hamilton, another 4* player. As for big men, 4*/5* bigs shouldn't be afraid to come in and compete with measly 3* bigs, right?

Stop doing that. Saying "measly" as if I'm sitting here denigrating the kids. I'm making no comment whatsoever on how these guys will end up playing after a few years. Although if we go by history, these are the Desmond Hubert, Byron sanders type of recruits. (As far as how they're viewed nationally) we develop big men very well but the odds of all 3 being heavy acc level contributerss is low. I'd expect and hope one of the 3 turns into that by their junior year and the other 2 be solid role players. You say the 5* bigs shouldn't be afraid to come and compete- well you'd think so. You'd have also thought they would've loved to have been here this fall when there was wide open playing time-but it wasn't to be.

Anyway I think that's more fair and realistic to all of them than pretending they'll come in and avg double digits.
 
Lol this is ridiculous. You point out the ONE year where we had a highly ranked class that didn't really work out. You do realize that class also had Henson in it, right?

I counter your ridiculous 2010 example with..oh let's see pretty much every other year Roy brought in a stud class-because they always worked out well.
I'm not the one who cited that class --- the whiner I was responding to did. So it's not my "ridiculous example". And the point that apparently flew over your head was that a loaded freshman class isn't necessarily a panacea.

As for Henson, that's a great example of that limitation. He wasn't much help at all his freshman season. There were a couple of reasons for that: 1. Roy promised to give him a shot at playing on the wing, which was doomed from the start, and 2. despite his "can't miss" talent John needed time to develop. Let's say he had come in today's OAD environment and left after one season? Exactly what use would he have been at Carolina?

All of us want great classes, but the one's that fit and stay around for a while are the ones that matter. Personally I'd love to get a class like 2014 every cycle, but that ain't easy in our current environment, not to mention the junk Roy's been having to deal with. Considering all that this incoming class has shaped up pretty well.
 
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Seriously. Plus that class was ranked so high in large part to Henson being in it since he was a top 5 guy. Take him out of that class and it's headlined by a 27th ranked recruit and a few guys in the 50's. Not great.

But Gary wants to ignore the amazing classes of 2010, 2014, 2002, 2006 all leading success because 2009 sorta fits his argument. But not really.
I'm not ignoring a damned thing and it wasn't me who even brought that class up. Good grief. Try reading.
 
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