Tony Bradley declaring for the draft and may hire an agent...
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That's not what he said. He said they'll likely take up roster spots for 3 (and likely 4 years). Ideally, we will likely need to infuse some highly ranked front court talent in the next few classes to pair with these guys. Do I think they'll develop and become solid big men for us? Yes, but for us to be where we all want this program to be (where its been since Roy returned ), we're likely going to need 1-2 highly rated bigs to commit (and meet their ranking expectations). Roy has always recruited very highly ranked burger boy type big men. This class he wasn't able to do that, doesn't mean they won't be good down the line, but odds are they won't perform as well as previous UNC big men alum who were ranked much higher (Sean May, Tyler Zeller, Tyler Hansbrough, etc).
I have mentioned their athleticism, size, and good hands many times in discussing these recruits. Your use of the term disingenuous is getting ridiculous, it couldn't be less appropriate to what we're saying. We simply disagree. Can you understand that concept? You don't have to convince me or vice versa. Now you and two or three others can continue to beat this dead horse and be argumentative if you so desire. I'll let you have the last 1,000 words on the subject.
Load of crap. Not even close to being 25 without either of them.
Some of you people are crazy. Again, Roy wouldn't even be recruiting these low level guys if one of the top ones we were recruiting had signed with us. He's taking what he can get, and that's not a good sign. Even with the title we just won.
We are looking at a lean couple of years if we don't sign highly ranked big men. No two ways about it.
Ha it's disingenuous because your using "faith" and "trust in the staff" instead of logical precise reasoning as to why these recruits should be looked at differently than their rankings. It's like telling me to believe in unicorns and when I ask you why and where are they you tell me to just trust you and believe.
Had you presented any argumentation stating why they have the tools to be decent prospects we could have a discussion.
He's awful fond of calling anyone that disagrees with him either disingenuous or dishonest. I guess other opinions have no value to him.
What are these "expectations" you see people putting on them for next year? Most don't even think they'll start unless Tony leaves. I think most of us expect them to gradually learn the system, develop their games, and be solid contributors by year three, like almost all freshmen not ranked in the top 15-20. Some of you are grossly overexaggerating what our expectations for our freshmen really are.
From Scouts.......................
#17 North Carolina Tar Heels
Roy Williams and his staff have added some perimeter firepower to this 2017 class. Leading the way is five-star prospect Jalek Felton, the nephew of former Tar Heel standout Raymond Felton. The 6-foot-4 guard is oozing with talent and athleticism, while also having good size and skill, allowing him to play either backcourt spot. Felton is one of the best passers and playmakers in the 2017 class. UNC's second pledge is from Andrew Platek, who is one of the best catch and shoot guys in the class. Platek should prove to be a specialist at UNC.
Notable Commitments: Jalek Felton (28), Andrew Platek, Brandon Huffman, Sterling Manley
You can disagree with me all you like. I call it disingenuous because you give me no reason or proof as to why you (or archer) disagree besides fairy tale imaginationings about "faith" and "trust". If he would back up his opinions with something closer to reality then we could have an honest discussion.
Still, I haven't seen anyone present any legitimate reasons as to why,yet.
It's an exercise in futility to try and hold a conversation with some people. It's just not worth the effort.
Like I said, give me something real that you base your opinions on, and I'd listen. As long as you continue to throw platitudes around like "I think they'll be good cuz I have faith" derp derp.. then there's nothing to discuss.
That's one website. Anyone else have us top 25?
It's just ridiculous to think other than Jalek, three star recruits can adequately replace our losses, especially in the frontcourt.
ETA. I know you said w out Brooks or Knox. I was just intrigued they have our recruiting class that high. I'll take it.
Again... one last time. NO ONE HERE IS SAYING WE DON'T WANT OR NEED HIGHLY TOUTED RECRUITS AS PART OF OUR CLASSES. NO ONE. And the reasons we're not getting as many lately are well known and rather obvious --- and they are not "excuses", they are reasons, and they are very REAL.
So, we all wish we could have snagged another Burger Boy or 2 this cycle. We didn't. What is the point of moaning about it for the 1000th time?
And BTW, I'm not seeing anyone "overhype" any player. What I AM seeing is people coming here and dismissing these guys coming in for their lack of stars or ranking, when the rest of us are talking about their potential and fit. Roy & co. managed to put together a nice class, Knox or no Knox, of guys who have a chance to do some good things here, as well as develop over time.
Everyone does. 24/7 has us 14, ESPN 22, USAToday 22.
That's not the point though. When we have 6 scholly's available and can't get a consensus top 15 class it's alarming.
Was going to say the number of players helps. I remember a few years back Louisville didn't have but one guy in the top 50 but they brought in like 7 guys and got ranked fairly high.
2014. Zero final fours from that group so far and just got bounced in the 2nd round when they were all juniors.
And people wonder why we're concerned.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it wasn't so much the wear twins as it was daddy right? And ld2 was hear the yr before. Assuming these are the three your talking about
Holding out hope for Knox? Seems doubtful.
3 very mediocre classes in a row will catch up to us. It just has to. Hopefully this ends once the NCAA mess is behind us and 2018 is already shaping up to be a good and potentially great one.
Winning this season has definitely made this much less of a concern, but we may be down a bit the next two seasons. No one is looking forward to that.
Yes, LD came in a year earlier... another HS AA like the Wears who didn't pan out here. And yes, they all had parents who were pieces of work.
Wow
Threads like this make my head hurt.
Enjoy your summer guys I'll check back in around September
Threads like this make my head hurt.
Enjoy your summer guys I'll check back in around September
Recruiting is a concern, but that's why winning this Title is so great. I'm fine with a mass exodus after a Title. We were going to have a down year or two because of recent recruiting.....BUT the Title makes next year manageable and may get us more exposure with the 2018 and 2019 kids. Roy has us in the hunt in three year cycles (2005, 2008-2009, 2011-2012, 2016-2016) and usually builds classes together.
Another reason recruiting is a concern is the landscape is changing. We need some guys to leave early and do well. It's perception to recruits.
Another reason recruiting is a concern is the landscape is changing. We need some guys to leave early and do well. It's perception to recruits.
Yeah ld2's mom was a campus whore I mean that literal I have friends who were ahead of me in school and enrolled at UNC during ld2 yrs; she was a frat guys dream. Also ld2 was soooooo mad that marshal replaced him even though marshal was wearing his but out in practice.In his Twitter he said "hey world I'm a quitter can't believe he started that kid over me"(he didn't pan out at UCLA either only got the aa nod because he was a UNC recruit. My how times have changed) he also made a rap song about it at his b-day party where he was rough fly ignored or booed. I am not sure how many NBA teams have cut him. He is over seas now I believe. Still has and wears his 09 championship ring though. The wears we're different good kid's dad was a pompous jerk I think they both kinda backed him off once they realized he grossly over estimated their talents
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Please don't try to be optimistic, it doesn't go over well with some people. Doom and gloom is the order of the day, just 20 days after winning the title. It's not enough that some of these guys are already worried about next year. They feel it's their duty to rain on any optimism here and convince us we're blind because we all aren't just as worried as they are. Sheer insanity. I refuse to succumb to their "the sky is falling" mantra.
The number of recruits you sign is almost always a factor in rankings.
If Harrison Barnes had left his freshman yr we are a different team. Strangely he and UNC are penalized for it even though it wasn't his fault. There was an NBA lockout that season lots of one and done talent came back to school because of that. Talking heads forget that though. Saying Roy couldn't develop Barnes into one and done. He went what number 7 Cal does that it's a success Roy does that it's a failure.
Great point.
Barnes could've been OAD. Ed Davis, Jmm, and JJ. It's not Roy fault they loved UNC to come back. Not to mentioned Lawson and Tyler Hans could've left and been a first round pick after their freshman year.
Thanks Captain , but every team but one that is ahead of us(247 5-13) has signed 4 or less and some 3.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. Smells like Butter..... smells like Butt. New name for a previous poster maybe? I may be wrong, but sure seems familiar.
Let's get rid of this foolish notion that any coach, any program, any assistant coach is developing any OAD player. Regardless of whether these players go to UK, Dook, or any other program, the talent is the same and since they are parking their services for a semester, I highly doubt that any coaching staff is developing much of anything.
You guys are funny.
We're raising legit concerns with recruiting based on facts and you guys get all flustered. Winning natty's is fun. We need more classes like 2002, 2006, and 2014 to win natty's. Simple as that.
We're raising legit concerns with recruiting based on facts and you guys get all flustered. Winning natty's is fun. We need more classes like 2002, 2006, and 2014 to win natty's. Simple as that.
Very true. Its the most ridiculous meme that gets tossed around espn etc..that Coach cal and K "develop" these guys. They were already developed when they got there. Id argue Roy developed Bradley-a mid 20s ranked guy-to be a potential OAD a lot more than some of these Uk guys etc.
The thing I question is that this is considered a down class. And we will have scholarships tied up that we could have possibly used in future classes.
Hopefully these players are good and can outplay their rankings.
Hopefully these players are good and can outplay their rankings.
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